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http://www.caradvice.com.au/84798/fo...-lineup-to-20/
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Ominous for the Falcon ?????? I hope not. They could easily have the Mondeo as the large car here or bring in the Taurus!!!!!
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Too much emphasis is put on the phrase 'One Ford' and what that means, or what people think it means.
I think that One Ford should be seen as more than just platform/model consolidation. It's more than that and certainly doesn't end at just that. Think of the world being divided into 'Regional' areas. Not everything has to be or will be driven by N.A. |
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Much of the efficiency gains and cost savings are at the supplier level, not at the production floor. One Ford is about expanding platforms where possible and eliminating others that add nothing. In terms of efficiency, Ford North America needed to change and become more relevant to it market, they had a lot of unique platforms adding to business complexity but adding nothing to profit. Their market used to swing on F Truck and Explorer but since the huge upheaval in fuel prices and economic uncertainty, buyers have been switching to car based crossovers and smaller more efficient vehicles in general. That is why three F Truck plants are being reconfigured to build Focus based products, the market has changed that much, people are applauding Ford for doing this... Ford Australia has always been pretty efficient so the changes needed here weren't as harsh and for those people continuing to predict Falcon's demise think of this, no other regional car has been under this much scrutiny since its approval in 2006, I think if ever a vehicle had a sound business case it's Falcon. Last edited by jpd80; 29-09-2010 at 07:29 AM. |
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This is definitely a good thing. Honestly every country in the world has basics that are the same, Toyota and the euros have been doing it for decades (although BMW seems to come out with a niche vehicle every month). You just need to tweak it for each area.
Just gives us the Mustang you greedy buggers!
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Given that he was speaking in Europe, I assumed he was talking global.
So, if we take Ford's current global vehicles (on sale or being developed), we can assume that 3 of those will be Fiesta Focus Mondeo T6 has just been developed as global light pickup platform, so add that. F-Series is not going anywhere (sales of different models are combined, so I'll count as one) Mustang is safe. One could possibly assume E series van and Transit will be combined. Kuga and Escape will be combined next time around. So there's 8 so far. Perhaps C-Max as global people mover. Any other ideas? |
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1. KA 2. Fiesta 3. Focus 4. Mondeo 5. Taurus 6. Falcon 7. Mustang 8. F-150 9. Super Duty 10. Ranger 11. T6 SUV (which I think will replace the Territory in my honest opinion) 12. Expedition 13. Explorer 14. Edge (which I think will fully take over the Escape) 15. Flex 16. Transit Connect 17. Transit 18. E-series van (some suggest this will become motorhome chassis only) 19. C-Max 20. S-Max ...But I think Lincoln products were also included in that figure. |
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The thrust of mulally's comments are intended to herald the increasing efficiency of Ford,
this is the latest in a series of comments that he and other Ford reps have been indicating with regards to the rationalisation of continuing nameplates onto fewer platforms. I wouldn't take the exact number of nameplates too seriously, it's more to do with ensuring that the continuing names are on the best possible platforms for efficiency of parts supply and commonality. I don't think Falcon and Territory will be on the radar as they share plenty of the important parts. The idea that T6 SUV will replace Territory has been floated but that vehicle is completely different to what is wanted with Territory (Smooth I-6 and TD V6) and T6 SUV is still around four years away so we will see come 2014. |
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Ka, GWRD, Ford GT (or some kind of supercar), explorer
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25?
Is that 25 Ford vehicles of 25 Ford/Lincoln vehicles?
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This will be interesting but we knew this has been in the pipeline for a while.
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I don't see why we would expect or even better, want a body on frame architecture to replace Unibody? Not for Territory anyway, the trend is actually the reverse.
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Oh my mistake then, I thought with so much development, it would be built in Australia. I forgot the Rangers will probably be built in Thailand anyway, is that correct?
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I think he may have been talking about platforms. There are many badges duplicated around the world that are riding on completely unrelated platforms, i.e. US Focus v world Focus. Makes no sense to have completely different cars around the world doing the same thing.
Sub-B sized car (KA) B-car (Fiesta) C-car (Focus, C-Max, Kuga, Transit Connect) C-D car (Mondeo, Fusion, Edge, Lincoln MKX) D-car (Taurus, Explorer, Lincoln MKT etc) E-car (Falcon, Territory, Lincoln full size, Lincoln SUV) (Mustang & Thunderbird?? or on evolved D2C platform by themselves) T6 platform (Ranger, Everest, Bronco?) P-platform (F-Series, Super Duty) Large truck platform Large SUV? Future Transit/E-series van Right now, they've got multiples of some of the above vehicles, particularly the small cars.
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Correct.
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They're being built in Thailand as well aren't they?
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but Ford South Africa won the supply contract for Ranger and Thailand got the Focus contract, so basically both countries are swapping products....... |
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isn't it going to be built at the current South Aficia Foucs plant.. Foucs production to stop & be replaced with Ranger??
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http://www.autoblog.com/2010/09/28/r...-just-20-mode/
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Rather than guessing which nameplates will be in the chosen 20 or 25, perhqaps we should look at the core platforms going forward and work out which vehicle types are likely to survive.
Some of the groups we could expect to see continuing: Fiesta / Figo / Ecosport / B-Max? Focus / C-Max / Escape / Kuga Fusion / Edge / Mondeo / S-Max Taurus / Explorer / Flex / Falcon / Territory F Truck / T6 Ranger / Transit Pick up E-Series / Transit van Expedition / T6 SUV While that doesn't cover everything in Nth America, Europe or Asia, it would seem to cover the bulk of Ford's mainstream models. |
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That South African plant surely is not going to be able to supply the entire world's Ranger needs...there is bound to be another plant somewhere to make them.
Also, Mullaly's statement seemed to gloss over Lincoln models which at the moment are based on tarted up Fords but he is keen to move Lincoln into territory where it uses more up market, unique platforms.
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I think that covers most of the region. Thailand is building BT-50 for Mazda. Quote:
If Lincoln needs dedicated platforms to survive, I don't think Ford will be interested, Ford rid itself of Jaguar, Land Rover, Volvo and Aston Martin, I doubt they want to remake Lincoln into that lot..the cost versus return on dedicated high series platforms is horrendous, something Tata is learning about. |
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Also, I don't think the focus with Lincoln is going to be the same as what FOrd had with PAG. But they're certainly keen to see it play on the same terms as Cadillac, BMW and Audi. Which is quite a reasonable and achievable goal in my view. It's certainly been stated by US sources that they don't want Lincoln to use tarted up Fords anymore, but I think that may have been a swipe at past practice of using tarted up C and C/D cars which of course do nothing to help Lincoln aspire to be the brand it wants to be...
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Here's an article from Detroit News, with the relevant paragraph:
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You can already add the Panther, old Explorer, old Falcon (EA169) and US market Ranger to that list.
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1. figo 2. ka 3. fiesta 4. focus 5. kuga 6. B-Max 7. mondeo 8. fusion 9. Edge 10. taurus 11. ranger 12. Everest 13. mustang 14. F150 15. F- super duty 16. E- Series 17. Flex 18. transit 19. Galaxy 20. explorer 21. transit connect 22. S-max 23. Bantam 24. Expedition 25. C-Max Maybe add in a couple of Chinese specific cars. I am assuming the Escape in the US will eventually be taken over by the Kuga, so I havnt put it in in my list. I also havnt included the Sportka or rumoured Puma or Capri. You will probably see the E-series van going with maybe Transit taking over in North America. Fusion may be combined with Mondeo. I havnt included any heavy-duty Ford commercials and I havnt included some South American models or any asian specific models as I assume they will die. Bantam may also not live on. There is also talk of making a new GT sports car which would increase my list but I havnt included it as its just a rumour. If there is going to be 20 you will need to cull 7 or so Fords from my list so the Falcon and Territory can fit in. Maybe cut 9 or 10 from my list to account for any new models or ones I havnt included. If the business case stacks up Falcon and Territory have just as much right to be on that list than any other Ford. |
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