Holden releases 'Redline' performance package on Series 2 SSV and Calais V

[Brazen]

Basically its stiffer FE3 suspension, lighweight 19 inch alloys and Brembo brakes from the axed Pontiac G8 GXP. Interesting to see it as an option on the Calais (which I think keeps its standard suspension)

Excellent value at $2500.

http://www.carpoint.com.au/news/2010...-redline-21550

Pontiac GXP lives on as Holden Redline


Holden has managed to stoke another special edition out of the embers of the axed Pontiac export program.

Holden has managed to stoke another special edition out of the embers of the axed Pontiac export program.

After letting HSV do a limited run of cars using some of the Pontiac GXP sports sedan's go-fast bits, Holden has reclaimed some of the high ground to create high performance versions of the Calais-V and SS-V.

It's called Redline and is $2500 option on the top-line Calais-V and SS-V sedans – and SS-V wagon and ute variants.

While the HSV GXP was powered by the LS3 6.2-litre V8, the new Calais-V and SS-V Redline editions will be powered exclusively by Holden's E85-compatible 6.0-litre V8 which is just 0.2 of a second slower than the HSV equivalent, according to independent testing (0 to 100km/h in 5.5 seconds compared to 5.3 for the HSV).

But the Redline range gets the rest of the best, with race-bred four-piston Brembo brake calipers on 355mm discs up front and lightweight multi-spoke 19-inch GXP wheels on all models.

Meanwhile, the SS-V sedan gets the same sports suspension tune used on the export Pontiac GXP and HSV GXP.

Touch screen satellite navigation and a rear camera are standard on all Redline models except the ute, which comes with a navigation system but a rear camera is optional.

The Redline ute also misses out on a spare wheel and tyre – even a space saver – and instead must make do with an inflator kit.

"We know that performance enthusiasts who drive Holden sports vehicles … have an interest beyond straight line power. They're looking for a satisfying overall driving experience," said Holden executive director of sales and marketing, John Elsworth. "With the Redline edition we hope to improve that experience for them."

[flappist]

This will be interesting.

Holden diluting the HSV marque may bite them on the bum in a BIG way.....

[Smoke Pursuit]

No spare tyre on ute?? Why??????

[Brazen]

Originally Posted by bfiipursuit

No spare tyre on ute?? Why??????

Yeah I know, its such a potential deal killer you wonder if leaving it off is worth the benefits (if any!).

[flappist]

Originally Posted by bfiipursuit

No spare tyre on ute?? Why??????

Because the majority of buyers never travel far from streetlights and should they have a flt would just call AAA/NRMA/RACV/RACQ/whatever anyway.....

[Iggypoppin']

FE3-as good as FE2?

[Polyal]

Thats a great idea and IMO something I wish ford would follow. A FPV package upgrade for rims and brakes would be fantastic on the G6ET and XR series.

Flappist I agree that it muddies the waters but at the end of the day the car itself is not a GT/F6 so people can pretend all they like if they are willing to pay for it.

Why let the aftermarket take all the money when they can so easily get some extra revenue by offering a package that already developed and sorted.

Hmm..XR6T/XR8 with brembo's would be very nice.

We can bag Holden all we like here, but they atleast have the balls to give their customers what they want.

[DJM83]

Originally Posted by Polyal

Thats a great idea and IMO something I wish ford would follow. A FPV package upgrade for rims and brakes would be fantastic on the G6ET and XR series.

Isnt that what the GS is for?

[Polyal]

Originally Posted by DJM83

Isnt that what the GS is for?

Well its hard to say, its a close line but I believe they are two separate segments that do share common traits.

The GS is V8 only, and supercharged at that. There will be some who dont want or cant justify a s/c but still want a V8, should they not be entitled to better brakes if they want them?

I cant see how having it as an option hurts anyone, just because someone wants better braking in their XR doesn't necessarily mean they want or need a FPV.

[4Vman]

Originally Posted by Polyal

Well its hard to say, its a close line but I believe they are two separate segments that do share common traits.

The GS is V8 only, and supercharged at that. There will be some who dont want or cant justify a s/c but still want a V8, should they not be entitled to better brakes if they want them?

I cant see how having it as an option hurts anyone, just because someone wants better braking in their XR doesn't necessarily mean they want or need a FPV.

FPV offer a model with better brakes.... Besides, who said the GS brakes arent upto it?? or is it another case of wanting "bling" V economics...

I want the tatts numbers for saturday night too, but that's unlikey... You have to draw the line somewhere...

[jmack]

as much as i hate holdens the couple of times i started to sway when younger they went out of there way for the sale,priced a vs ute up once and was able to option the hsv185 motor .with ford it is there it is take or leave it was flat out getting a set of mats chucked in for a baxr8 but over the other side a vyss they were going to give wind tint mats,option wheels,desperate for a sale maybe but its what the buyer wants

[phillyc]

Originally Posted by 4Vman

FPV offer a model with better brakes.... Besides, who said the GS brakes arent upto it?? or is it another case of wanting "bling" V economics...

I want the tatts numbers for saturday night too, but that's unlikey... You have to draw the line somewhere...

I think GMHolden is trying to fill a 'supercharged' hole with dressups that has now been created by Ford / FPV with the GS.

Get a 260kW/530Nm SS-V with this 'pack' or a real man supercharged GS 315kW/545Nm for very similar coin.

[chrisfpv]

Originally Posted by Polyal

We can bag Holden all we like here, but they atleast have the brains to give their customers what they want.

FYP...

[Brazen]

As much as these Holden packages are usually just using leftover bits. I think its great that they name these packages as a trim, it helps with resale and it will make the car more desirable on the second-hand market in years to come. A rare Calais V V8 Redline will probably be a desirable second hand car one day rather than a Calais V with a couple of options.

[spvd02]

They're not just giving the customers what they want. They're desperate, and because their V8 will be inferior to FPV V8's, they're trying to take the focus away from the engine and make it look like they have the better 'complete package'.

In reality, though, FPV will still offer a great package, and it's not all about the engine. Sure, that's the only thing people are talking about, but it doesn't automatically mean the rest of the car is sub-par.

Redline looks like a good package, but it's one they wouldn't have come up with were it not for FPV's new offering.

[Polyal]

Originally Posted by spvd02

They're not just giving the customers what they want. They're desperate, and because their V8 will be inferior to FPV V8's, they're trying to take the focus away from the engine and make it look like they have the better 'complete package'.

In reality, though, FPV will still offer a great package, and it's not all about the engine. Sure, that's the only thing people are talking about, but it doesn't automatically mean the rest of the car is sub-par.

Redline looks like a good package, but it's one they wouldn't have come up with were it not for FPV's new offering.

How do you figure that?

HSV are only saying publicly now that "its not about the engine" because they know that they are in some poo until they get their hands on something else which could be a while.

How does redline on the Holden "V" models have anything to do with FPV? The GS wont have brembos so they are not trying to match that. They perhaps have found that alot of SS owners upgrade their brakes anyway so why not get a piece of that pie aswell.

[Nikked]

Originally Posted by spvd02

They're not just giving the customers what they want. They're desperate, and because their V8 will be inferior to FPV V8's, they're trying to take the focus away from the engine and make it look like they have the better 'complete package'.

In reality, though, FPV will still offer a great package, and it's not all about the engine. Sure, that's the only thing people are talking about, but it doesn't automatically mean the rest of the car is sub-par.

Redline looks like a good package, but it's one they wouldn't have come up with were it not for FPV's new offering.

I think you've missed the point....

Holden are giveing customers what they want, and its working.

[b2tf]

Originally Posted by spvd02

They're not just giving the customers what they want. They're desperate, and because their V8 will be inferior to FPV V8's, they're trying to take the focus away from the engine and make it look like they have the better 'complete package'.

In reality, though, FPV will still offer a great package, and it's not all about the engine. Sure, that's the only thing people are talking about, but it doesn't automatically mean the rest of the car is sub-par.

Redline looks like a good package, but it's one they wouldn't have come up with were it not for FPV's new offering.

I believe the word you are looking for is 'competition' and it is quite possibly the best thing that a consumer can find in any marketplace - not just cars.

Put the scepticism and one eyed brand loyalty aside for a minute and have a look at what is going on here - Ford/FPV are bringing out some awesome cars, Holden/HSV are doing so too. They dont all have new bits and pieces but I seem to remember FPV launching the FG range with carryover BF wheels and maybe according to your logic it was because they were 'desperate'.

Name any other country in the world where you can buy a RWD V8 with as many options, inclusions , safety additions and whatever else for the same price we do in Australia. Bet you can't.

Regardless of where the parts come from, be it a failed export program or a lot of leftover stuff, the fact is that they are much better being available on cars than sitting in a spare parts warehouse - and unless you have been hiding under a rock somewhere you would know that customers love options. I dont like having the exact same car as anybody else - thats why I option things on it and modify it with aftermarket stuff. If I can put more fruit on it from factory, and have a better overall car, then I'm certainly going to do it. And since it's an option, the bloke behind me who buys the same car I do, doesnt have to have the same things I do on my car. Thats an ideal setup.

[DJM83]

Originally Posted by b2tf

I believe the word you are looking for is 'competition' and it is quite possibly the best thing that a consumer can find in any marketplace - not just cars.

Put the scepticism and one eyed brand loyalty aside for a minute and have a look at what is going on here - Ford/FPV are bringing out some awesome cars, Holden/HSV are doing so too. They dont all have new bits and pieces but I seem to remember FPV launching the FG range with carryover BF wheels and maybe according to your logic it was because they were 'desperate'.

Name any other country in the world where you can buy a RWD V8 with as many options, inclusions , safety additions and whatever else for the same price we do in Australia. Bet you can't.

Regardless of where the parts come from, be it a failed export program or a lot of leftover stuff, the fact is that they are much better being available on cars than sitting in a spare parts warehouse - and unless you have been hiding under a rock somewhere you would know that customers love options. I dont like having the exact same car as anybody else - thats why I option things on it and modify it with aftermarket stuff. If I can put more fruit on it from factory, and have a better overall car, then I'm certainly going to do it. And since it's an option, the bloke behind me who buys the same car I do, doesnt have to have the same things I do on my car. Thats an ideal setup.

Spot on Aust, BUT for the amount of new cars sold people like you (and me) and a few people on this site that are enthousiasts that would option cars with a few goodies to make it that little bit different there would be 20-30 people there that will buy a 'standard' car so making the viablility of offering something likes brakes a pointless exercise i guess. But yes it does give them the option to move the parts covered in cobwebs in the corner. Adding to that most people that option something like brakes are smart enough to know that when they are stuffed Ford/GM wont be putting their factory replacements on when its due the owner will buy aftermarket so the company really only gets the original outlay for the brakes over a standard car.

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by b2tf

Name any other country in the world where you can buy a RWD V8 with as many options, inclusions , safety additions and whatever else for the same price we do in Australia. Bet you can't.

America?

I've come to the conclusion that FPV limited the power of the new Coyote, because the gearbox wouldn't handle that much torque?

Chuck in an Alison 6 speed

[flappist]

Originally Posted by b2tf

Name any other country in the world where you can buy a RWD V8 with as many options, inclusions , safety additions and whatever else for the same price we do in Australia. Bet you can't.

USA
Canada
Mexico
New Zealand
Germany

Basically everywhere really.

[galaxy xr8]

Originally Posted by flappist

USA
Canada
Mexico
New Zealand
Germany

Basically everywhere really.

You forgot Tasmania.

[vztrt]

http://theage.drive.com.au/motor-new...910-154sn.html

First drive: Holden VE Series 2 Commodore
September 10, 2010 - 6:03PM

COMMODORE VE SERIES 2 REDLINE EDITION, CALAIS V and SS-V

The Redline Edition is the most significant change to the new VE Series 2 Commodore driving experience.
The Redline Edition is a $2500 option ($1500 as an introductory offer) and is available with the V8-powered SS-V and Calais V; my first drive came in a Calais V sedan.

The new 19-inch wheels - the glossy chrome look won't be to everyone's taste but they stand out - house beefier Brembo brakes, which provide a firmer feel to the pedal which gives better initial bite, something more noticeable on harder, more aggressive stops. We didn't have the opportunity to test the brakes in extreme situations, where they're said to better resist fade.

But it's the revised suspension - with more active shock absorbers to better control the ride over bumps - that makes the biggest difference.

On a typical undulating country road the VE Series 2 Calais Redline Edition is impressively compliant, allowing occupants to feel the flow of the road but without being too jarring.

It also teams with the sticky tyres to give good cornering response and grip, in keeping with the sporty nature of the car.

At slower speeds through towns the firmer ride is more noticeable and more intrusive, with some jiggling over bumps. In many ways it's in keeping with the nature of what is a more enthusiast focused car.

As ever, the 6.0-litre V8 engine delivers instant response with a muted V8 sound.

Acceleration is strong throughout the rev range and the V8 works reasonably well with the six-speed auto.
The display on the dash of the automatic models tells you whether the car is running on four cylinders (as part of the cylinder deactivation system known as Active Fuel Management or AFM) when cruising or whether all eight are in operation.

Fuel consumption on the V8 can be more fearsome running on E85. At one stage after taking off in slow traffic I saw the trip computer register 49L/100km, although it settled down to 17 or 18L/100km before hovering around 13.5L/100km on a gentle country road run.

Inside, the Calais V has a conventional - bordering on plain - layout but it's functional and looks more upmarket. Again, the flashes of chrome-look finish liven the appearance of the dash and overall feel, while the lighter lower dash gives more definition compared with the darker look of the original VE Commodore.

But it's the sporty SS and SS-V that are more impressive inside.

The large circular air vents on top of the dash stand out, as does the colour touchscreen.

As with all new VE Series 2 Commodore models there's dual-zone climate control air-conditioning. The textured metallic surrounds look classy and almost give it a European-car feel.
Seats, too, are supportive and comfortable.

[phillyc]

Originally Posted by vztrt

http://theage.drive.com.au/motor-new...910-154sn.html

Fuel consumption on the V8 can be more fearsome running on E85. At one stage after taking off in slow traffic I saw the trip computer register 49L/100km, although it settled down to 17 or 18L/100km before hovering around 13.5L/100km on a gentle country road run.

Quite poor economy.

I'm sure it will appeal to the want it now's but gee 19s will cost at replacement time as will the brembo consumables.

[CAT600]

Originally Posted by phillyc

Quite poor economy....

13.5L/100km is not good.... but with E85 right now at 34-37cpl cheaper than 95 octane (not to mention BP98 even dearer again) thats over 25% less cost per litre so that 13.5 comes down to effectively 10L/100km which for 114 equivalent octane rated "race" fuel is not bad at all.... i'll bet that a 325kw GTS makes 340-350kw on that fuel once HSV are allowed to play.

Which is nothing compared to what FPV could achieve with the 310 T6 and the Miami brothers.

Daniel

[phillyc]

Originally Posted by CAT600

13.5L/100km is not good.... but with E85 right now at 34-37cpl cheaper than 95 octane (not to mention BP98 even dearer again) thats over 25% less cost per litre so that 13.5 comes down to effectively 10L/100km which for 114 equivalent octane rated "race" fuel is not bad at all.... i'll bet that a 325kw GTS makes 340-350kw on that fuel once HSV are allowed to play.

Which is nothing compared to what FPV could achieve with the 310 T6 and the Miami brothers.

Daniel

Hey I look forward to E85. Just that Caltex is talking 100cpl versus 135cpl for 98RON. I accept that an extra 25% consumption is the accepted penalty. So, your still about 10% in front compared to a regular GTS.

What I don't accept is the 13.5L/100km on a cruisy country drive when there are enough members on here with F6 which flog stock versus stock HSV GTS and use much less fuel on an equivalent basis.

I'm also expecting that a S/C Miami GS/GT will be decent on fuel too whilst handing it to the GTS as well.

[Iggypoppin']

Big? Fpv's engine is 1litre smaller. I'd prefer the more advanced super charged engine over the bigger pushrod Holden motor. bring on quadcams!

[Stoney!]

Originally Posted by Iggypoppin'

Big? Fpv's engine is 1litre smaller. I'd prefer the more advanced super charged engine over the bigger pushrod Holden motor. bring on quadcams!

Yeah... lol. That more 'advanced' DOHC small block super charged unit that only manages 10kw and 10nm more than the aincient pushrod 6.2 from HSV. Even worse only manages to save 0.2L/100k's, and thats with fords better gearbox too.....

Sure it will blitz the 6.2 with its flatter tourqe curve, but I think they could have done much much better.

Holden aren't worried I don't think, it won't come close to swaying them from number 1 sales and they got their new motor on the horizon, also small block charged, but with DI also. Not to mention better over all package in the Holdens with better standard equipment.

Well done to Holden for the real reason they are doing this, giving the customers what they want.

Stoney!

[DJM83]

Originally Posted by Stoney!

Yeah... lol. That more 'advanced' DOHC small block super charged unit that only manages 10kw and 10nm more than the aincient pushrod 6.2 from HSV. Even worse only manages to save 0.2L/100k's, and thats with fords better gearbox too.....

Yeah as if ford are going to bring the engine into play with max power output on the table from day 1

Originally Posted by Stoney!

Sure it will blitz the 6.2 with its flatter tourqe curve, but I think they could have done much much better.

As above

Originally Posted by Stoney!

Holden aren't worried I don't think, it won't come close to swaying them from number 1 sales and they got their new motor on the horizon, also small block charged, but with DI also. Not to mention better over all package in the Holdens with better standard equipment.

Holden not worried why should they be the SC 5.0 is an FPV vehicle not Ford so it isnt any competition
Holden are worried about their ancient pushrod V8 so they are trying to round off their 'package' to compensate by offering brake packages

Originally Posted by Stoney!

Well done to Holden for the real reason they are doing this, giving the customers what they want.Stoney!

Yeah right, lets see how many buyers take up the option of this package, Ford tried it and it never worked this will be like

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by DJM83

Yeah right, lets see how many buyers take up the option of this package, Ford tried it and it never worked this will be like

Ford and Holden customers are different though.