They make cars in Turkey?

[Crazy Dazz]

Apparently recent Renaults are made in Turkey...

I wonder what other models are made there? Is it just a cheap manufacturing centre for Europe or is it purely for their export markets?
(I wouldn't think that EU rules would favour Turkey?)

I wonder how their build-quality compares to say Thailand or Korea?

Recently looked at a Renault Fluence. Nice looking car, and very well equipped.
Pricing isn't bad, and they had a 5yr warranty from new

[drz250]

Well it kind of makes sense that they would make cars there as it is a central location between Europe and the Middle East. Imagine the export opportunities - the companies would save a lot of money on transports/logistics when shipping cars from a central hub in Turkey. I imagine they could build vehicles for the Middle Eastern market, Central European market and possibly even the South/Eastern European market all at the same time.

I would think the quality would be fairly decent. Possibly on par with Czech produced vehicles?

[Express]

Quality is as good as the manufacturer wants it to be.

[new2ford]

Originally Posted by drz250

I would think the quality would be fairly decent. Possibly on par with Czech produced vehicles?

That would make them among the best in the world!

Originally Posted by Express

Quality is as good as the manufacturer wants it to be.

Exactly.

These are the manufacturing countries:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...cle_production

This is nearly a decade old but it gives a bit of a picture:

http://www.ey.com/GL/en/Industries/A...rofile--Turkey

When I was living near the east west trade routes in 2012, many road carriers on the motorway were full of Renaults heading west to France! At the time I understood they were coming from Romania, but maybe some models were from Turkey as well. But the biggest transport heading west was stupendous numbers of Skodas - huge train-loads of them.

[Dr Terry]

Originally Posted by new2ford

These are the manufacturing countries:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...cle_production

That makes interesting reading.

Notice that Australia's peak production year was 1974. The glory days of HQ, XB, VH, Toranas, Cortinas etc. etc.

Dr Terry

[Crazy Dazz]

Originally Posted by Dr Terry

That makes interesting reading.

Notice that Australia's peak production year was 1974. The glory days of HQ, XB, VH, Toranas, Cortinas etc. etc.

Nah, must have been all those P76s.

[Crazy Dazz]

Originally Posted by Express

Quality is as good as the manufacturer wants it to be.

Really?
See, I've been telling my wife for years that mine really is much bigger than average.

[Giant Cranium]

Originally Posted by Crazy Dazz

Apparently recent Renaults are made in Turkey...



I wonder what other models are made there? Is it just a cheap manufacturing centre for Europe or is it purely for their export markets?

(I wouldn't think that EU rules would favour Turkey?)



I wonder how their build-quality compares to say Thailand or Korea?



Recently looked at a Renault Fluence. Nice looking car, and very well equipped.

Pricing isn't bad, and they had a 5yr warranty from new

Didn't you want a large v8 rwd car?

[Yellow_Festiva]

When reading your thread title I got a flashback to that American lady on 'Are you smarter than a 5th grader'...

"Turkey's a country?!?!?!"

Sorry... Back on topic lol.

[XR Martin]

Ford Transits are built in Turkey

[NTF6]

Originally Posted by XR6 Martin

Ford Transits are built in Turkey

That's because they are easier to fill with ANFO and park outside crowded markets!

[CyberWasp]

That list of manufacturing countries is depressing.
Look at how many countries above us with a comparable standard of living are kicking our %^&.
We have given up while they surge ahead.

[Qwerty321]

Originally Posted by CyberWasp

That list of manufacturing countries is depressing.
Look at how many countries above us with a comparable standard of living are kicking our %^&.
We have given up while they surge ahead.

The thing is those countries subsidise the industries heavily on the logic that the economic returns and the tax from all the people employed makes up for it. The government doesn't make a loss by subsidising the industry, they just make less money out of it.

I'll never know why Abbot axed your auto subsidies. The US, Japan and literally every other major auto industry was being subsidised way more per capita anyway. I'll try bring up the figures.

EDIT :

There you go, would you look at that. The Australian auto industry didn't even want that much money. Abbots a clown, I can't believe he actually killed an entire industry just for some bs neoliberal rhetoric. Its not just the loss of the jobs, this isn't just one company closing down, this is the death of an entire industry. Australia's going to loose all the innovation and associated businesses attached to the auto industry.

Can I also just point out that per car that's $2670 AUD or so. GST is 10% and a new commodore is upwards of $35k, the government regains all its subsidies and makes a $800 profit on just the GST alone! This isnt even factoring in corporate tax from all the businesses in the auto industry and the income tax of all the employees!

[Giant Cranium]

Originally Posted by Qwerty321

The thing is those countries subsidise the industries heavily on the logic that the economic returns and the tax from all the people employed makes up for it. The government doesn't make a loss by subsidising the industry, they just make less money out of it.

I'll never know why Abbot axed your auto subsidies. The US, Japan and literally every other major auto industry was being subsidised way more per capita anyway. I'll try bring up the figures.

EDIT : image

There you go, would you look at that. The Australian auto industry didn't even want that much money. Abbots a clown, I can't believe he actually killed an entire industry just for some bs neoliberal rhetoric. Its not just the loss of the jobs, this isn't just one company closing down, this is the death of an entire industry. Australia's going to loose all the innovation and associated businesses attached to the auto industry.

Can I also just point out that per car that's $2670 AUD or so. GST is 10% and a new commodore is upwards of $35k, the government regains all its subsidies and makes a $800 profit on just the GST alone! This isnt even factoring in corporate tax from all the businesses in the auto industry and the income tax of all the employees!

We don't make 200000 vehicles anymore. And one thing everyone keeps forgetting when they blame a political party is each has 2 a piece. Mitsubishi and ford went under labor and Toyota and Holden went under liberal.

[Crazy Dazz]

Originally Posted by Giant Cranium

We don't make 200000 vehicles anymore. And one thing everyone keeps forgetting when they blame a political party is each has 2 a piece. Mitsubishi and ford went under labor and Toyota and Holden went under liberal.

Labor has sold out Australian workers for the Hippy vote, and the Libs figure workers aren't going to vote for them anyway, so better to make their constituents happy with cheaper Mercedes & Volvos.

[Qwerty321]

Originally Posted by Giant Cranium

We don't make 200000 vehicles anymore. And one thing everyone keeps forgetting when they blame a political party is each has 2 a piece. Mitsubishi and ford went under labor and Toyota and Holden went under liberal.

Holden and Toyota always were the strong ones though. Ford was hanging on for the enthusiasts and Mitsi wen't under cause the 380 was a big dud, the should've stuck to Diamantes and Galants.

[Bill M]

The economy of Turkey is defined as an emerging market economy by the IMF.[27] Turkey is among the world's developed countries according to the CIA World Factbook.[28] Turkey is also defined by economists and political scientists as one of the world's newly industrialized countries. Turkey has the world's 18th largest nominal GDP,[1] and 17th largest GDP by PPP.[1] The country is among the world's leading producers of agricultural products; textiles; motor vehicles, ships and other transportation equipment; construction materials; consumer electronics and home appliances.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_Turkey

We could take a leaf out of their book.

The Australian car industry?

Nissan - not profitable under Button plan
Mitsu - not profitable under Button plan
Ford - saved by BA Falcon & Terrritory under Geoff Polites but lost momentum and eventually bowed out under Dearborn's dictates.

Holden - precarious position with Ford going as 3 manufacturers need to make local parts supplier network viable. Poor Govt response pushed Holden to shut up shop.
Toyota - as above with supplier base but when Holden pulled up stumps that was the "get out" trigger.

[Dr Terry]

Hyundai have a factory in Turkey which manufactured over 1 million vehicles in 2014 & another in the Czech Republic which made over 2 million.

Dr Terry

[malazn mafia]

Originally Posted by Dr Terry

Hyundai have a factory in Turkey which manufactured over 1 million vehicles in 2014 & another in the Czech Republic which made over 2 million.

Dr Terry

Explains the increase in quality in Hyundai vehicles. Those Eastern Europeans are a smart bunch and from working with various computer equipment sourced from there, it seems they have the Midas touch. Their equipment equals or sometimes outperforms the major American brands (which are actually made in China or Korea), at a fraction of the price. Equipment made in Thailand (hard disk drives) have a disgustingly high failure rate within 2 years, and unfortunately Thailand is the biggest hard drive manufacturer on the planet. The Jap stuff, from the mid 90s, when the japs were still making them, are still working 20 years later. Would rather a Czech Hyundai than a Thai Ford Focus or Corolla.

[new2ford]

Originally Posted by malazn mafia

Explains the increase in quality in Hyundai vehicles. Those Eastern Europeans are a smart bunch and from working with various computer equipment sourced from there, it seems they have the Midas touch. Their equipment equals or sometimes outperforms the major American brands (which are actually made in China or Korea), at a fraction of the price. Equipment made in Thailand (hard disk drives) have a disgustingly high failure rate within 2 years, and unfortunately Thailand is the biggest hard drive manufacturer on the planet. The Jap stuff, from the mid 90s, when the japs were still making them, are still working 20 years later. Would rather a Czech Hyundai than a Thai Ford Focus or Corolla.

The Turkey Hyundai factory is in Izmit which is in the Asian side of Turkey, so strictly speaking they would be Asian cars.

Hyundai Czech Republic may have produced 2 million over a period of years but annual production is about 300,000 + a year. The Tucson for the Australian market comes from there I believe. Czech Republic is a very old and major manufacturing country, very high-tech with a very skilled labour force. Heaps of engineering graduates and Skoda even runs its own university and technical college. When you go in major factories in the country it's like something you see in Japan.

Their main problem is an acute shortage of labour, having a population of only 10 million, and they import labour also from Ukraine and Russia. It's inspiring seeing the way they've continually pulled themselves up into the technology forefront in spite of being stuffed by two wars and communism. By contrast here in Australia, in spite of all our similar talent, greater wealth and not being invaded and occupied, we've apathetically let our industry go.

[IanC]

Turkey has been assembling Ford trucks since at least the 1960's. They now make Transits. The Turks used to also assemble Land Rovers however I don't know if they still do. I believe they have been industrialising fast. The Beko brand white goods come from there and our local repairman thinks they are very good. He doesn't get much work from them.

[Crazy Dazz]

Originally Posted by Dr Terry

Hyundai have a factory in Turkey which manufactured over 1 million vehicles in 2014 & another in the Czech Republic which made over 2 million.

Cough... Cough...

In 2014 Czech Republic's total vehicle production was only around 1.25M.

Turkey produced a bit less, and I seriously doubt Hyundai accounts for 80% of their production.

[new2ford]

There are more interesting points.

Look at the change in the relativity of China vs Japan over the years.

The table can be sorted by heading. Go to the right hand column, Peak Year and click on the heading so that it sorts by year. The countries that peaked in 2015 means they are still growing - look at the countries listed under 2015. Of these, the ones with the biggest numbers are China, Mexico, Turkey, Czech Republic and Slovakia. (I assume USA is sourcing a lot of production in Mexico now?)

Except for China, the output of these growing producers is still small compared to the major countries but ....

now go down the list and look where some of the traditional major players peaked: UK in 1963, France and Italy in 1989, Japan in 1990, USA and Sweden in 1999, Spain in 2000, Germany in 2007. South Korea peaked in 2011 but that's too close to call yet, they're not exactly weakening, but interesting to note that two of their outsourcing countries are Czech Republic and Turkey.

Turkey and Slovakia don't have their own brand and build for others. The Czech output is dominated by their native brand, Skoda, with Hyundai/Kia, Peugeot, Citroen and Toyota being a minority of their output. Czech Republic is also a major producer of car components for all brands.

I think this places Turkey in a bit of context.

[kaniSS]

Don't be so surprised. Other countries are run by smarter politicians & public servants who are more awake to their own needs. They focus more on job creation and their future, not like us. Australia has fallen asleep, the world is progressing forward we are more concerned with offending people.

[SumoDog68]

We can't afford Czech build any more :-)

http://www.caradvice.com.au/450184/h...arousel_slot=0

[new2ford]

Originally Posted by SumoDog68

We can't afford Czech build any more :-)

http://www.caradvice.com.au/450184/h...arousel_slot=0

The Czech Crown has been held down by their central bank to help exports but the Australian dollar has weakened against the Crown. If Hyundai is using small margins on this model that seals its fate. Skoda's pricing here actually seems to have improved in recent years compared to their prices in Czech Republic.

[drz250]

Yeah, they make fine vehicles in Turkey.

You have to remember that these countries were introduced to the automobile far earlier than countries like China, Korea and Thailand. Therefore they have more experience manufacturing them.

[new2ford]

Originally Posted by drz250

Yeah, they make fine vehicles in Turkey.

You have to remember that these countries were introduced to the automobile far earlier than countries like China, Korea and Thailand. Therefore they have more experience manufacturing them.

Turkey is a sophisticated industrialised country, nothing third world about them.

[drz250]

Originally Posted by new2ford

Turkey is a sophisticated industrialised country, nothing third world about them.

I never said they were third world. After all, the Turks defeated the British and Anzac forces in WW1.

[Crazy Dazz]

Originally Posted by Hulk

I never said they were third world. After all, the Turks defeated the British and Anzac forces in WW1.

Let me guess, you thought Peter Weir's film was historically accurate?

Originally Posted by Yellow_Festiva

When reading your thread title I got a flashback to that American lady on 'Are you smarter than a 5th grader'.

Somebody once quipped that "War was God's way of teaching Americans Geography."

So congratulations Hulk, you are officially more ignorant of world history than an American.