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18-01-2010, 11:32 AM | #1 | |||
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Ford set to drop local four-speed auto
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18-01-2010, 11:36 AM | #2 | ||
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And taxi operators will be crying everywhere.
Yes, the 4-speed is getting long in the tooth now, but it's bloody smooth, handles good amounts of power and in BA+ guise, regularly serviced, handles half a million taxi kays with a cooler.
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18-01-2010, 11:41 AM | #3 | ||
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About time, should of happened in BF2 IMO. Makes sense to have just one box.
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18-01-2010, 12:03 PM | #4 | ||
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Nothing new here. This has been discussed before.
The only issue i have (and it could be some confusion by the journo not sure) is over the corporate 6sp. I'm sure ford can get it working to their liking no problem (they got the 5sp working) but it notes that RWD territory will get the corporate 6sp.... as will the diesel.... I was of the view that ZF would get the job with the diesel, if for no other reason then the torque rating of the corporate box was probably pegged at 400nm (for base cars). It would be easier for ford to put the performance spec high torque ZF from FPV etc. into the territory diesel then try to get the torque rating of the corporate box to suit (expected torque for the terri diesel would be 430nm if not more). Also, diesel has been in develoment for some time so i doubt the corporate box was being configured for local use that early on.... Shame to see th 4sp go after all these years but it has served us well. Hell it will continue to serve many many members of this forum for years to come.... The 5sp has had a short life, but it was due for BF at one stage but there were development delays and that is probably why.... I've driven one, and the 5sp was very good i thought. It has been winning reviews versus the VE 6sp so this new ford 6sp will just further extend their lead......
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18-01-2010, 12:11 PM | #5 | ||
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Finally ill be able to buy an XR6 ute with a 6 speed auto.... thank god!
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18-01-2010, 12:32 PM | #6 | |||
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At the end of the day, the BTR 4 speeds have been fantastic, but it's time to move on.....to be honest, I'm surprised Ford have taken this long to drop the 4spd....
As far as taxis, I'm sure the 6spd will put up some pretty good numbers as far as reliability.... Quote:
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18-01-2010, 12:38 PM | #7 | |||
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18-01-2010, 12:55 PM | #8 | |||
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I was also under the impression that the AJD-V6 came with a ZF or nothing. Why waste all that money on developing an engine for Territory and a unique transmission, when every other Longitudinal use has had it coupled with the ZF. It just seems like throwing away good money after bad.
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21-01-2010, 07:54 AM | #9 | |||
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18-01-2010, 01:00 PM | #10 | ||
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Shame about the 5 speed, I quite liked it.
And if Ford dump the ZF for premium and performance applications, they have rocks in their collective heads.
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18-01-2010, 01:05 PM | #11 | |||
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19-01-2010, 11:05 AM | #12 | |||
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18-01-2010, 01:01 PM | #13 | |||
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Is he doing this just to get people to stop talking about the Falcon's future (come 2015), because it's pretty annoying?
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18-01-2010, 01:27 PM | #14 | ||
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So the five speed is dead already. Seems a bit silly.
And its about time the old 4 speed died. Its not a bad box, but 4 speeds just aint enough these days and finally those of use who like the E-gas will no longer be treated as 2nd class citizens with the old box.
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18-01-2010, 03:54 PM | #16 | ||
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BMW and Benz have 8 speed slush boxes !!
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18-01-2010, 04:45 PM | #17 | ||
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And i bet they sound like an opera singer practising scales ^^^.
The 4 speed has served the falcon well, though it is time to move on with the rest of the world. Still cant believe the 4spd is still available, i remember our family's shopping trolley being a EA 3 spd falcon, while the weekender was a 66 mercedes 220s with a 4 spd auto!
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18-01-2010, 08:48 PM | #18 | |||
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The Beemers have the brand spanking new ZF 8-speed. The main reason I recently upgraded my XR was to get the excellent ZF autobox and now I'm wishing I had done it earlier! It's decade's ahead of the 4-speed BTR I had, makes lightning quick shifts (quicker than the BTR with a CAPA edit!!) and holding gears in corners is just amazing!
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19-01-2010, 11:33 AM | #19 | |||
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19-01-2010, 07:01 PM | #20 | ||||
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Personally, it is probably a good idea to keep it as it was paid off years ago. But, if line capacity is too tight. Then again, if they can maintain / increase total numbers by selling higher priced models, then this may wring out / reap more profit. Keeping it, also makes it more likely that the overall Falcon sales will grow this year.
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19-01-2010, 11:37 AM | #21 | |||
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19-01-2010, 12:13 PM | #22 | ||
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At the risk of a flaming, if the service costs of new engines and auto's make taxi operators cry then it's a job well done.
The sooner the taxi's move to another model, the better. It will do far more for Falcon than any marketing or sales pitch could ever do.
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19-01-2010, 05:40 PM | #23 | |||
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18-01-2010, 09:04 PM | #24 | ||
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Bent8..Mercedes is considering outsourcing production of transmissions for its next-gen A, B and C-class models, which could also lead to the closure of its current transmission plant in Zuffenhausen, Germany. The decision is said to be backed by CEO Dieter Zetsche, who considers the development of new transmissions as non-core to Mercedes. By outsourcing the development and manufacturing process to an outside supplier, engineers could potentially reduce costs and improvement innovation, a Mercedes insider revealed to Auto Motor und Sport.
According to the source, Mercedes is also seeking a supplier for a new eight-speed dual-clutch gearbox, giving it an edge over both Lexus and BMW who both plan to rely on fully-automatic eight-speed transmissions. A dual-clutch gearbox is better in both fuel-consumption and straight-line speed when compared with conventional autos. Mercedes is hoping that either Getrag or ZF develops and manufactures the new gearbox as designing the box itself would be too costly for the carmaker. ----------------------------------
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18-01-2010, 10:27 PM | #25 | ||
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I'd assume Ford will be stockpiling E Gas Falcon before June to keep enough in supply until the LI versions come on line in Oct.
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18-01-2010, 10:40 PM | #26 | |||
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Some test drivers have complained that the 7G-tronic hunts around at highway speeds. I wonder what an 8-speed will be like?...
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19-01-2010, 02:20 PM | #27 | |||
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19-01-2010, 10:55 AM | #28 | ||
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It is now apparent that the lifespan of a Falcon will be the same as the lifespan of the automatic transmission as reconditioning a 6 speed automatic is not going to be cheap.
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19-01-2010, 05:42 PM | #29 | |||
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19-01-2010, 06:18 PM | #30 | |||
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