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Yet we still have deniers who claim that electric cars are a "scam" and that renewables don't and can't work.
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Misleading headline - 'Ban on new petrol and diesel cars in UK from 2030 under PM's green plan.'
Then the first paragraph New cars and vans powered wholly by petrol and diesel will not be sold in the UK from 2030, Prime Minister Boris Johnson has said. So really petrol and diesel vehicles will still be sold they'll just need to have hybrid technology. |
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Sounds pretty misleading to me, if you wanted to be more factual and less fake news it should read: 'UK shift towards hybrid vehicles from 2030' They're not banning petrol and diesel vehicles at all, they're just making hybrid powertrain mandatory. Should change your forum username to 'ccp000'. |
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![]() My UK mate said to me a few days ago he wants to get a Jaguar XK before a "ban" comes in. I said he was crazy if he thought petrol cars would be "banned" but this is probably what he was referring to. They will be grandfathered out. I think they are jumping the gun a bit. Lithium Ion batteries used in EVs are very dirty to make. Graphite being a main material, is very eco unfriendly to dig out and process. Most of this happens in a part of the world where we are supposed to want to be less reliant on ![]() |
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And renewables work. Sometimes. But what is base load power. |
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Don't forget ol Blighty has some lovely safe nuclear power stations. yikes, going green would be the least of your worries.
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But these braindead greenies want to have it both ways. Because of the spent nuclear fuel, which is apparently only a miniscule amount these days. They just want to whinge about anything, and would rather we shut everything down and lived in caves again. |
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30 years of fuel on board! I always thought nuclear was the best option for us, especially with our large open spaces of next to nothing.
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TBH Not just greenies with this, Fukashima, Three Mile Island, Cheynobel people tend to remember these events for good reason.
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my evidence, " The First law of thermodynamics"
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Picture this,
In the next few years, sales of popular diesel powered vehicles are replaced by hybrids and PHEVs That will do more in the immediate than trying to force everyone into BEVs straight up. A big part of this is evolving the herd attitude towards electrification, older drivers exit the market replaced by young drivers in their first vehicles. It takes time but change is coming. |
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Even though I am a big proponent of EV (being a sparkie and all that), I personally think that legislating their use is a mistake. It is the same order of magnitude of a mistake as the EU push for diesel vehicles in the 1990 with similar environmental justification and similar poor environmental outcomes.
Part of the problem, in my view, is that lower social-economic groups will bear a disproportionate cost. In other words, there is presently no market for the $2K clunker EV. Yes, in time, perhaps there will be (like in 2050), but not in 2030. This will appeal to middle class, inner city, greenies, who are quite capable of dropping $60K on a low end EV. I am sure they will happily look outside the window of their EV, with a warm fuzzy feeling, while the lower class catch the bus. My view is that the best way to go green (if that is the agreed goal) is to keep pouring money into basic research that will reduce the cost of storage and increase storage capacity. Then, let market forces dictate the transition across to EV. PS. Hybrids are banned from 2035. PPS. Hang onto that 2025 Camry. It will be worth big bucks down the track. |
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This is talking about new car sales.
I guess existing cars will allowed to continue being driven. I wonder if other countries will follow? Or if future Governments will retract it?
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BoJo gets the greenies off his back for the next term or two, and then as 2030 approaches, unforeseen circumstances mean we can't meet our goal.
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They forget how much water is needed to keep these solar farms panels clean, something they forgot in California years ago. The whole farm there is is ruins and produces nothing, except broken glass and some alloy waste.
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I read somewhere some of the new panels use self cleaning glass.
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What miserable miserable news
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We are an island nation, completely surrounded by water.
And we don’t use tidal power. ![]() The oceans will never die in our lifetime, they’re supposed to be even rising. The ocean currents never stop. Endless power that doesn’t stop when the sun goes down and the wind stops blowing. Perfect power source to charge our electric cars. |
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What a lot of tripe.
Boris can make such a feel good statement to please the lemmings knowing its 10 years away. He probably won't nor his mob be in power then plus circumstances change that can easily be used to modify it and he knows that. Many Governments of the day have made forward announcements that subsequently get canned or changed by the next incoming Govt, eg like Rudd and his NBN cable to all houses proposal that was then changed to nodes only by the Libs and the list is long. |
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No more tradies i guess!!!
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Why?
There are some epic EV utes under development at the moment. Some probably already on sale in the US.
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so the knock on affect of no manufacturers making RHD ICE cars forces us to hybrids too then, whether we like it or not.
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