XR6 Turbo VS 2JZ-GTE

[Jay_Rock]

I'm In a dilemma.

I researched a bit on some forums about the Xr6 Turbo's stock Internals.

I'm hoping some of you are familiar with the fact that XR6 Turbo motors will need a few rebuilt components after 300rwkw?

Is this true?

Because I live In NZ and a good Xr6 turbo Is around $20000 NZD yet by the time you get to 300rwkw you'll have to be buying better parts for support.


Yet with the 2JZ-GTE the standard Internals can withstand over 800hp no sweat because of the factory forged pistons, conrods, cast iron block etc etc.

But then I was thinking the XR6 turbo already has a GT40 turbo on it and I know Its not a case of Just buying a BC and winding up the boost, you'd still have to buy supporting mods.

Then with the 2JZ you don't have to buy supporting mods but If you wanna make 300rwkw a Turbo kit would be the choice but you'd probably end up spending the same amount of money as buying parts to support the 300rwkws for the XR6 Turbo!




What to do?????

[cosmo20btt]

From what I heard and may need some correction as my source told me that the BF XR6 turbo,s that came out after 6/8/06 pretty much came with F6 engines as they were run out for the FG, these are much stronger internals than earlier BA turbos.

[JC807]

Originally Posted by Jay_Rock

What to do?????

buy the car you actually like better? build quality will be better on the Toyota, boot space will be bigger in the taxi.

[Fireblade]

Any XR6T after 06/06 will support up to 350rwkw with a few mods, the engines will take this if you have the right tuner. My Typhoon is around that mark (350rwkw) and has been driven daily for over a year with this power and not showing any signs of slowing down.

The turbo is a GT3540.

[global88]

I own a R32 GTR and can tell you as the owner of a performance Jap car i prefer working on my XR6.

You dont have room to work in the engine bay with the Jap stuff and rely on buying second hand parts from people wreaking them in forums.

Compare insurance quotes between the 2, most insurance companies ask if its an import and just say sorry we dont deal with imports.

Id be going the XR6T knowing it has the same potential without the coppers breathing down your neck day and night.

[FreddyDUZ747]

Originally Posted by global88

I own a R32 GTR and can tell you as the owner of a performance Jap car i prefer working on my XR6.

You dont have room to work in the engine bay with the Jap stuff and rely on buying second hand parts from people wreaking them in forums.

Compare insurance quotes between the 2, most insurance companies ask if its an import and just say sorry we dont deal with imports.

Id be going the XR6T knowing it has the same potential without the coppers breathing down your neck day and night.

My thoughts exactly.Smiley coming your way.

[My poor XF]

Originally Posted by global88

I own a R32 GTR and can tell you as the owner of a performance Jap car i prefer working on my XR6.

You dont have room to work in the engine bay with the Jap stuff and rely on buying second hand parts from people wreaking them in forums.

Compare insurance quotes between the 2, most insurance companies ask if its an import and just say sorry we dont deal with imports.

Id be going the XR6T knowing it has the same potential without the coppers breathing down your neck day and night.

I think you will find that given the OP is in NZ the xr6 turbo is also an import and therefore insurance concerns regarding imports are not really an issue.

Go a bf2 xr6 turbo and you won't be disappointed.

[SteveJH]

Originally Posted by My poor XF

I think you will find that given the OP is in NZ the xr6 turbo is also an import and therefore insurance concerns regarding imports are not really an issue.

Go a bf2 xr6 turbo and you won't be disappointed.

All car's in New Zealand are Imports.

[TurboMad]

Originally Posted by SteveJH

All car's in New Zealand are Imports.

A little off topic - sorry!
Technically right but not entirely accurate!
There is no manufacturing of mainstream cars in New Zealand so all cars are imported into the country.
But any car sold new in New Zealand is regarded as new in NZ and is not in any way treated like an "import". It carry's the manufacturers warranty and obligations just the same as in Australia or any other origin.

Imports of second hand cars from all over the world but mostly Japan have very strict controls on them more so lately, with tightening of the importation of used vehicle regulations.

You can buy just about any brand from anywhere in the world in New Zealand new if you wanted to most brands are represented here.

The Jap imports have seen the price of second hand cars tumble and the level of fit-out raised over the last decade or so. That's also changing a little as other countries like the UK get into importing as well and reducing the available stock.

[MexicanBatman]

go do some research and come back and tell us how much a relaible 2JZ with 800hp costs

there are other motors that can withstand big hp, but in terms of a reliable streetable package for $0 they arent

im not comparing motors here or anything, but do some more research into it, but for example a FG F6 can easily push out 350rwkw no sweat, start and run 1st time everytime drive to the moon an d back or just the shops and do a million km whilst still returning good economy and easily carrying 5 persons and towing the boat etc...

i'd stick with the fraud, but then im starting to get old, and 2 door useless cars dont do it for me anymore

[JC807]

Originally Posted by andrewg6e

2 door useless cars dont do it for me anymore

aristos are 4 door and can come with 2jz-gte

[MexicanBatman]

Originally Posted by JC807

aristos are 4 door and can come with 2jz-gte

aristo's look like anus

aside from that they also look very similar to the Avalon LOL

toyota fail @ 4drs the celsior can look reasonable but it's the 2dr models that steal the show

i have a soarer and its a timeless design that will look as good as it does now in another 20 years and imho better looking than the supra.... more of a modern yet 20 yo take on the e type

[Jay_Rock]

Well here's the thing, there seems to be a few different preferences here. Insurance, engine space etc etc.. My preference here Is the convenience. Like I said Im either paying for a car that doesn't need supporting mods up to 800hp and can buy Just turbo kits and all the other crap or I could buy a car which would need the supporting mods which would probably end up costing me the same amount for a 2JZ to get up to 300rwkw.. A reliable motor with 800hp, IS a 2JZ no doubt I've seen It all. Hmmm.. I think I might go with the 2JZ on this one lads. I know most of you are Ford hailers lol but In terms of convenience Just slapping on a Turbo Kit to a 2JZ Is more easier than trying to buy and find supporting mods for a XR6 turbo. Let alone The Toyota Supras gearbox can stand up to 1000hp.

[jpd80]

Sure, just go bolt on a couple of hair dryers and way you go, it's that easy....

[ford man xf]

Originally Posted by Jay_Rock

Well here's the thing, there seems to be a few different preferences here. Insurance, engine space etc etc.. My preference here Is the convenience. Like I said Im either paying for a car that doesn't need supporting mods up to 800hp and can buy Just turbo kits and all the other crap or I could buy a car which would need the supporting mods which would probably end up costing me the same amount for a 2JZ to get up to 300rwkw.. A reliable motor with 800hp, IS a 2JZ no doubt I've seen It all. Hmmm.. I think I might go with the 2JZ on this one lads. I know most of you are Ford hailers lol but In terms of convenience Just slapping on a Turbo Kit to a 2JZ Is more easier than trying to buy and find supporting mods for a XR6 turbo. Let alone The Toyota Supras gearbox can stand up to 1000hp.

Where are you getting your info from?

[phillyc]

Originally Posted by Jay_Rock

Well here's the thing, there seems to be a few different preferences here. Insurance, engine space etc etc.. My preference here Is the convenience. Like I said Im either paying for a car that doesn't need supporting mods up to 800hp and can buy Just turbo kits and all the other crap or I could buy a car which would need the supporting mods which would probably end up costing me the same amount for a 2JZ to get up to 300rwkw.. A reliable motor with 800hp, IS a 2JZ no doubt I've seen It all. Hmmm.. I think I might go with the 2JZ on this one lads. I know most of you are Ford hailers lol but In terms of convenience Just slapping on a Turbo Kit to a 2JZ Is more easier than trying to buy and find supporting mods for a XR6 turbo. Let alone The Toyota Supras gearbox can stand up to 1000hp.

2JZ general concensus from what i've read - bloke at work has one too - seems to be that the dyno queens can make 800hp on stock internals. 500-600 reliably on stock internals. Allowing for a 25% drivetrain loss, your looking at 600hp/450hp or 450rwkw/338rwkw.

There are plenty of E series Falcons with AU SOHC motors with over 300rwkw with stock bottom ends. Even more BA-BF XR6T with that power output with stock bottom ends.

Making reliable power with the XR6T seems to be alot easier and cheaper than Skylines/Supras. Certainly appears that from my mates experience.

Go the Ford of course!

[FreddyDUZ747]

Originally Posted by andrewg6e

aristo's look like anus

aside from that they also look very similar to the Avalon LOL

toyota fail @ 4drs the celsior can look reasonable but it's the 2dr models that steal the show

i have a soarer and its a timeless design that will look as good as it does now in another 20 years and imho better looking than the supra.... more of a modern yet 20 yo take on the e type

Most people that own Soarers think your way to,dont let it get you down.

I have an Aristo and its a timeless design...........please......

If the Aristos are crap look wise then why does mine pull 10Xs more audiences than the XR6T I have and from ages 18-60+.

[MexicanBatman]

Originally Posted by gilmore

If the Aristos are crap look wise then why does mine pull 10Xs more audiences

cos no ones seen a camry with 4 exhaust pipes and deep dished wheels

yours looks alright

but modified is modified, you can make anything look better with some lowering and dish.... still ugly imho, not as ugly though as an american sedan though

[jpd80]

Originally Posted by Jay_Rock

I'm In a dilemma.

I researched a bit on some forums about the Xr6 Turbo's stock Internals.

I'm hoping some of you are familiar with the fact that XR6 Turbo motors will need a few rebuilt components after 300rwkw?

Is this true?

Because I live In NZ and a good Xr6 turbo Is around $20000 NZD yet by the time you get to 300rwkw you'll have to be buying better parts for support.


Yet with the 2JZ-GTE the standard Internals can withstand over 800hp no sweat because of the factory forged pistons, conrods, cast iron block etc etc.

But then I was thinking the XR6 turbo already has a GT40 turbo on it and I know Its not a case of Just buying a BC and winding up the boost, you'd still have to buy supporting mods.

Then with the 2JZ you don't have to buy supporting mods but If you wanna make 300rwkw a Turbo kit would be the choice but you'd probably end up spending the same amount of money as buying parts to support the 300rwkws for the XR6 Turbo!




What to do?????

Your problem starts with getting a reliable 800 hp engine
and ends with how you intend to get that power to the road...

Be prepared to double or triple your investment to get there
otherwise be prepared set a more conservative limit,
350rwk seems to please most XR6T followers..

[MexicanBatman]

Lol..

[BA GT-HO]

I dont get it? Plug a flasher box into the XR6T and away you go, more than enough power. Looks stock outside and under the bonnet. No cop trouble.

HAHAHAHAHA@ Aristo "pulling 10x audience"

Why does it matter!?

[Davebro]

I don't think you get 'reliable' at 800hp..... In anything!

And end of the day, why would you want 800hp unless its a dedicated drag car, or track weapon?

Its completely pointless on the street.

What are you going to use it for?

[Jay_Rock]

Originally Posted by Davebro

I don't think you get 'reliable' at 800hp..... In anything!

And end of the day, why would you want 800hp unless its a dedicated drag car, or track weapon?

Its completely pointless on the street.

What are you going to use it for?

I am not trying to succeed to get a 2JZ Into getting 800hp. Im Just saying that the XR6 Turbo needs to get some rebuilt components around 300rwk where as you don't need to crack open a 2JZ till... the end of time =D

[bdave351]

Originally Posted by Jay_Rock

I am not trying to succeed to get a 2JZ Into getting 800hp. Im Just saying that the XR6 Turbo needs to get some rebuilt components around 300rwk where as you don't need to crack open a 2JZ till... the end of time =D

You can keep qouting that till the cows come home but it simply isnt true.

If you want to talk early stuff like BA's needing valve springs then fine, but thats it till you have a hell of a lot more than 300rwkw.

300rwkw is tune only territory these days for the FG F6.

You will really struggle to find anyone of the hundreds of people running 300 to 350rwkw that have atomic/built motors.
*actually I can think of one or two BA's but they are losing power due to having big convertors sucking it down to about 340rwkw.

My BF has a grand total....

200 s/h monza cooler
150 s/h 968 injectors
250 cat
Custom tune (played with a few times but 1000 is a fair call for custom tune)
Oh and a F6 lower airbox bit for 50

Thats 306.5 rwkw and a 12.2 timeslip with plenty left in the launch daily driver that gets same to better fuel economy than most stockers........

Good luck getting the same time for that price out of the 2jz.
Sure its good reliable motor, but the 4l turbo is incredible value for money.

[Falcon Coupe]

Originally Posted by Jay_Rock

I am not trying to succeed to get a 2JZ Into getting 800hp. Im Just saying that the XR6 Turbo needs to get some rebuilt components around 300rwk where as you don't need to crack open a 2JZ till... the end of time =D

So why bother with the thread if you know this....

You will be better off searching the I6T area of this forum for facts rather than asking questions then answering them with miss information.

[Jay_Rock]

Originally Posted by Falcon Coupe

So why bother with the thread if you know this....

You will be better off searching the I6T area of this forum for facts rather than asking questions then answering them with miss information.

You're exactly right but the sub idea was to hear what the ford guys had to say about the xr6 turbo. This thread hasn't been a waste of time for me as I have been well educated. There definitely Is a good competition between the two. However we all have our preferences. So without further a do would you be able to lock this thread now? I have required the Information I needed thank you all.

[[CaSeY]]

you ask this on a ford forum and you sound like we should be saying 2jz because you already think that is better, well hello 80% of the ppl here will think the barra is better...

[kennys]

An unopened 2jz is gonna go boom pretty quickly if pushed to 800hp, 500hp seems to be the limit when it comes to reliability, even then, turbos/wastegate/cooler/injectors/fuel pump/gearbox work if auto/clutch if manual/ecu all need to be upgraded.

I'd be going the lexus/toyota quad cam 4litre V8 if I ever veered from ford, 6 bolt mains, alloy block?, alloy heads, forged internals, all factory. Put some boost into it and the speed limit be overcome very quickly. Plus they are cheap compared to the 2jz.

Power is not something that comes cheap, all the bolts on that are required add up very quickly. Either car is gonna cost you dollars, I'd say the ford would come out on top for cost and reliabilty if big numbers were wanted. Doesn't need to be revved as hard to make the power which is a big factor in reliabilty.

[Jay_Rock]

Originally Posted by [CaSeY]

you ask this on a ford forum and you sound like we should be saying 2jz because you already think that is better, well hello 80% of the ppl here will think the barra is better...

Yes you're right haha but I took the shot

[SuspectEB]

I will say jap turbos feel faster and more powerfull. Probely cause I've never been in a manual XR6T or an auto turbo jap car. But BA's are waaaaay to heavy for there own good. what are they, like 1800kgs?? if not more?