2018 SS (VXR) Commodore (slower than an Aurion...)

[Chopped]

Ok, maybe not slower but what a backwards step. Just show the Commodore name some respect and kill it off. This new thing doesn't deserve the nameplate.

http://www.caradvice.com.au/568754/2...rending&slot=0

" Holden has officially revealed its replacement for the SS Commodore, the new 2018 Holden Commodore VXR, set to go on sale as part of Holden’s Insignia-based Commodore line-up.

Due for release in 2018, the Commodore VXR boasts a naturally aspirated 3.6-litre petrol V6 engine that produces 235kW of power and 381Nm of torque, mated to a nine-speed automatic transmission and all-wheel drive....

...Holden isn’t talking 0-100km/h times, but we’d expect this vehicle to sit within the 6-7 second territory, making it around a second slower than the current V8 powered SS Commodore.... "

Commodore going to be beat by a KIA

[Falcon SXR8]

Ouch, although i'm sure there will be holden supporters who will talk it up

[DFB FGXR6]

This is almost comical! Holden's flagship models go's from an engaging, V8 powered muscle car to a wheezy V6 hatch covered in plasti-chrome. Its laughable to think the general public, let alone car enthusiasts and Holden fans, should care about the new Commodore. Put it this way, how much attention does a new Passat, Superb, Optima, Sonata or any other mid-large sedan get upon release? Very little.

So Ford fans get a Mustang as a performance car flagship. Holden fans get this! Hahahahahahahahahahha....................

[Cav]

Who cares.

The Koreans will take over the space vacated by Commodore and Falcon

[FairmontGS]

Originally Posted by Cav

Who cares.

The Koreans will take over the space vacated by Commodore and Falcon

^^^ - This good-looking chap knows

Commondore will quietly disappear from GM price list a couple of years from launch and go the way of other Opel products.

[LeadFoot81]

"the next-generation Commodore is expected to weigh around 300kg less than the rear-driven Commodore and the Twinster all-wheel drive system used in the Commodore VXR isn’t too dissimilar to the one used in the manic Ford Focus RS"

I'm open to this being one of the best Commodores ever. It's not all about big V8s and blistering 0-100 times... How fast does a street car need to be 0-100?

[MethodX]

Originally Posted by DFB FGXR6

This is almost comical! Holden's flagship models go's from an engaging, V8 powered muscle car to a wheezy V6 hatch covered in plasti-chrome. Its laughable to think the general public, let alone car enthusiasts and Holden fans, should care about the new Commodore. Put it this way, how much attention does a new Passat, Superb, Optima, Sonata or any other mid-large sedan get upon release? Very little.

So Ford fans get a Mustang as a performance car flagship. Holden fans get this! Hahahahahahahahahahha....................

This looks ok.
And should certainly have better interior plastics and a 2 star safety rating like the Deathtrapang.

[PooDog]

Originally Posted by MethodX

This looks ok.
And should certainly have better interior plastics and a 2 star safety rating like the Deathtrapang.

im sure it will be superior in all ways than the legendary name thats been around since 1964 and made countless performance models

[GO FURTHER]

Might see some future SS potential buyers turning to the 4 cylinder Ecoboost Mustang - (231kW) and more torque (433Nm).

[MethodX]

Originally Posted by muzman

im sure it will be superior in all ways than the legendary name thats been around since 1964 and made countless performance models

And a few clunkers too... You are only as good as your latest model.

Cant rely on history to always pull customers in.

[DJM83]

Originally Posted by MethodX

This looks ok.
And should certainly have better interior plastics and a 2 star safety rating like the Deathtrapang.

I've how ppl keep banging that drum, not sick of if yet. Typical.

[Express]

Originally Posted by DFB FGXR6

So Ford fans get a Mustang as a performance car flagship. Holden fans get ...................

.......room for a family.


Holden have always said this car is not aimed at the performance market or SS owners.


Personally I think it doesn't look too bad but it'll be a hard to impossible sell.

I wouldn't buy one even if they fitted it with the twin turbo V6 engine the Cadillac can be optioned with as I'm tragically nothing but a V8 man.


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[Mechan1k]

The Kia Stinger looks better and better by the day

[vztrt]

So about the power of an b series xr6t with a 9 speed auto and it'll be lighter. But 6/7 second 0-100....even after it's death the media still overate the ss.

Wish it came in a manual then I would be interested.

[Smoke Pursuit]

I'm interested... my VF Calais V was an excellent package, only sold it so I could get a Sprint.

I'll probably get one, it ticks most of my boxes.

[RHR]

Just call it the sv6

[98TLS]

Holden should go old school attach some wires running into a black box that does nothing and call it a Brock special,be a waiting list a mile long...seriously.

[Adamz Ghia]

Ignore the badge, this is a good looking car and should go alright.

[mike_nofx]

Originally Posted by RHR

Just call it the sv6

That's what I think. Why are they calling it an SS replacement? SS means it's a V8, there is no such thing as an SS 6. So at best it's an SV6 replacement.

[Maka]

Originally Posted by mike_nofx

That's what I think. Why are they calling it an SS replacement? SS means it's a V8, there is no such thing as an SS 6. So at best it's an SV6 replacement.

Didnt a L67 version come out in VT SS guise? I think so, but i agree drop the SS nomenclature for something more appropriate.

cheers, Maka

[Smoke Pursuit]

Originally Posted by Maka

Didnt a L67 version come out in VT SS guise? I think so, but i agree drop the SS nomenclature for something more appropriate.

cheers, Maka

Yes... You could also buy a VP SS 3.8 back in the day. Don't know how many they sold, probably none but no doubt they would have built a few.

Wonder how many people will badge it as an SS...

[mike_nofx]

Originally Posted by Smoke Pursuit

Yes... You could also buy a VP SS 3.8 back in the day. Don't know how many they sold, probably none but no doubt they would have built a few.

Wonder how many people will badge it as an SS...

Originally Posted by Maka

Didnt a L67 version come out in VT SS guise? I think so, but i agree drop the SS nomenclature for something more appropriate.

cheers, Maka

I stand corrected. I had to google this! Seems very few VP SS V6's were made, less than 10 possibly. And the VT SS V6 was estimated at around 250.

Seems silly to me, they both should have been S models. It's like selling a Falcon I6T as an XR8.

[Express]

Originally Posted by mike_nofx

That's what I think. Why are they calling it an SS replacement? SS means it's a V8, there is no such thing as an SS 6. So at best it's an SV6 replacement.

Back in ’76 to ’78 the LX Torana SS Hatchback was available with a 3.3 litre 6 cylinder as well as the 253 and 308 V8’s.



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[FGX-351]

Originally Posted by mike_nofx

there is no such thing as an ss 6.

vp, vt & eb

[simon varley]

doubt it. it's a sedan and nobody's buying sedans, unless its got a Camry badge.

[marty351]

Originally Posted by simon varley

doubt it. it's a sedan and nobody's buying sedans, unless its got a Camry badge.

Tissue box & bowling hat on rear parcel shelf. It will sell like donuts in a cop shop.

[Joe5619]

It's a sad world that all these cars are coming out with no manual.. The Kia Stinger & this are automatically off the list because of no manual..

[chevypower]

When I was about 18 or 19, I was driving my dads HSV Grange and got beaten by a Magna 3.5 lol. We were conditioned to think Fords and GMs were so good! Haha.

[Ben73]

Originally Posted by chevypower

When I was about 18 or 19, I was driving my dads HSV Grange and got beaten by a Magna 3.5 lol. We were conditioned to think Fords and GMs were so good! Haha.

3.5 Magna's are not that bad. Had one as my first car and it stood up well when put side by side other other V6's.
Good car if you keep a bottle of engine oil handy

[Sioso]

I never liked the look of this thing and after seeing this it is even worse than I thought, it just looks flat out boring........How good we used to have it!
https://www.carsales.com.au/editoria...e-road-109886/



SPY PICS: Caught! New Commodore on the road
Holden’s new hope out and about months before launch

Undisguised examples of Holden’s new ZB Commodore are now appearing on Australian roads, more than two months before launch.

motoring.com.au spotted this Calais on the Monash Freeway in Melbourne today and last week saw three undisguised ZBs in the city’s south-eastern suburbs.
The new Opel Insignia-based Commodore is the first imported example of the breed, after four generations and 39 years of local production.

Production of the last local Commodores ceased in October.

But while that car was a rear-wheel drive V6 and V8, the ZB will come with a choice of front- and all-wheel drive and four-cylinder and V6 engines when it launches in February.

It will be available in liftback, wagon and crossover (but not ute) body styles, with entry-level, Calais and VXR trim levels, and with front-wheel drive 2.0-litre four-cylinder petrol and diesel, and all-wheel drive 3.6-litre V6 powertrains.

But how long the ZB will be on-sale in Australia is now a huge question mark now that new Opel/Vauxhall owner, the French PSA Group, has revealed it is accelerating the Insignia’s transition away from its General Motors architecture to its own EMP2 platform.

The ZB Commodore made its public debut at Motorclassica in October and has been driven and reviewed by Australian motoring media in prototype and pre-production form.