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View Poll Results: Time to stand up for our selves | |||
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16 | 35.56% |
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FF.Com.Au Hardcore
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Lilydale, Melbourne
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By reducing Newell Hwy speed limit, by placing speed cameras in suburban streets instead of speed humps. GPS speed alerts so we don't have to drive watching the speedo (but we can still cop a fine) and by simply placing hundreds more of these hidden or concealed safety cameras along all our roads in the hope we will pull over for more coffee breaks and not kill our selves with fatigue.
Is the the governmant managing our road safety the right way, is ther somthing more or even something different they could be doing. I mean things evlove like safety in the work place is an ever changing and evolving thing. Safety documents are not cemented, meaning they are live documents that change with circumstance. Is it time the public stepped in and petitioned the government for a better system or another way of managing the current problems they are face with. Lets face it its not only their problem its each and evry one who drives the roads wether it be long haul country or around the city. I for one don't want the system they place out there to fail and the next head on is someone asleep in front of me! I have had enough of hearing about speed cameras and revenue raising being the main mechinism for better road safety which is clearly not working. Australia has a small population compared to say the UK. So they need to raise mony some how granted but, couldn't they come up with a better and more honest solution for that and attack road safety with another aproach. This may also relax our population on the roads and restore some trust and actually gain better results in the long term. Simply vote Yes or No for a petition or some sort of public protest.
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For the government to do something that involves common sense, and is done with the publics best interest in mind goes completely against everything they stand for. To change that would require nothing short of a miracle.
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FF.Com.Au Hardcore
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Regular Schmuck
Join Date: Dec 2004
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Somebody, please protect the selves!
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Not so low, not so slow.
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: Broady
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Education, not Stealth Enforcement.
some will always believe they know better, but a better driver training system, coupled with better education, will reduce the road toll where possible. Given the increases in licenced drivers each year, its an amazement that the toll can manage to drop at all. even if it remained static, it would be good. You will never achieve a 0 road toll, as where there are humans, there are mistakes. Stop using excuses to further restrict us. Australia is a Free country? I dont think so. |
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Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Central Coast NSW
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In order to better understand the debate I think that it is prudent that we also ask WHY the government is doing things the way that they are.
The reason as I understand things is that the RTA / road authority / council is required to take remedial action folowing ANY accident resulting in injury or death. The action is based upon the main 'contributor' to the accident. In the case of poor road / intersection redesign (normally resulting in an upgrade from Give Way sign to traffic lights lights / road resurfacing) Sad / EASY part of it is that the powers that be can also deem inappropriate speed to be the cause, with the corrective action to be taken, being simply to remove speed from the equation - via increasing enforcement, OR reducing posted limits. The argument of inappropriate speed whilst it may be 'partially' legitimate, fails to take into account increased density of road users(including increased numbers of B Double semi trailors - I am yet to be convinced that there are no alternatives available for these on the states roads - especially in built up areas) OR vehicle safety limits (why is it legal to be travelling on multilane freeways in say a Model T Ford built out of tin & board, with a B double full of molten tar on one side, and on the other the latest model car with all the modern safety equipment? *Please note - I do realise that ANY vehicle is capable of having an accident involving fatalities, and make no judgment as to the abilities of drivers of above mentioned vehicles. There are bad apples in every bunch, but you don't throw the lot out because of one worm* |
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Rob
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Woodcroft S.A.
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http://www.news.com.au/national/five...-1225820457735
the govt keep making these sort of changes because the message just isn't getting through. the public want to see the govt 'doing' something to try to reduce the ever growing road toll. there are laws in place, and yet if someone breaks those laws and causes a fatality, they are deemed not strict enough and so the govt feels the need to make changes. there are 5 less kids in the world now because they found it necessary to squeeze 6 into a 5 person car and travel at speeds beyond their talent. if you were the cop that had to continually clean this mess up, you would want speed restrictions enforced too. the fact that there are those that just don't get it, or refuse to conform, means it becomes harder for everyone. instead of whinging on here about the govt, why don't all the forum members agree to be a lot more patient on the road and treat it as a privilege and not a right. |
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Join Date: Apr 2008
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Rob
Join Date: Sep 2006
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where did i say there should've been a camera? i'm saying, individuals should start behaving on the road and not treating it like some sort of playground. shoving 6 people in a car and driving at speeds fast enough to rip a car apart when it hits a tree is extremely irresponsible and has now caused a lot of greif and heartache to all concerned. the message of road safety isn't getting through. the govt will continually hit us all in the hip pocket until it does. what the govt would like is for people to 'police' themselves. why do people need constant supervision to behave? |
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Join Date: Dec 2009
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Only the gullible would believe that this was the first time the 19year old driver had exceeded the speed limit, probably this was just the last of many reckless escapades he had undertaken and pushed this last one too far. If he had been gps tracked since being licenced, chances are he would have already been put off the road well before this incident, or would have never driving recklessly in the first place. I agree with the sentiments of others, its not about driver training, its about deterring/preventing them from doing stupid things in the first place. |
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Join Date: Jun 2007
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however it is my view that speed cameras contribute to this type of accident. the police presence on our road is virtually non existent - and most of the inforcing is done through cameras the problem is that we all know where the cameras are and therefore (some) drive accordingly past them. however once past the camera, we also know there is little chance of the police catching us, so we can then put our foot down. over the last few years there seems to have been an alarming increase in silly single vehicle accidents (or dual vehicle when they are both heading in the same direction). it is my view that speed cameras and lack of police presence are a contributing factor |
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FF.Com.Au Hardcore
Join Date: May 2008
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wouldnt you think uniform road rules should be start? |
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Fordaholic
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: Brisbane
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I do not believe speed cameras save lives, but just add bills to the next of kin to worry about. This is nothing more than another money grab by state gov in general. Here in QLD the state road toll was target 650 back in 1978 and the population was about a 3rd of what it was now, QLD now hovers around 300-350 a year which is attributed to the better roads.
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Perhaps the camera would not have saved them. But the government could have earned some money from them as they sped past just before the crash.
The idea of increased police presence on the road is good. But the easy way out is cameras because the ony thing it targets is speeding, and that's not always the cause of a crash, they just want you to think it is. We're heading towards George Orwells 1984 faster than you all realise. With the increase of Camera's on the roads - the installation of surveillance cameras in major suburbs (I myself have been involved with Randwick installing surveillance around Coogee) - Big Brother will be watching you everywhere you go. Lukeyson
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FF.Com.Au Hardcore
Join Date: Jan 2010
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Letting drivers self regulate will become a thing of the past.
I predict that in the next few years, governments will insist that manufacturers install interactive speed control and vehicle tracking systems in cars to prevents speeding above the designated limits and reports hoon activities. Like it or not, I see a day when invasive government regulation takes away the fun factor of driving and we all give up and take the bus, train or taxi..... |
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Join Date: Dec 2008
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I would sincerely hope that enough people show enough common sense to protest against this, if they ever try and introduce something like this...
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Fordaholic
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I am sure they will think of some thing better, like a printer in the dash board, so as you go through the camera or forget to put on your seat belt on a little fine is printed out with your picture of you speeding or without your seat belt and the amount that you will be fined, come to think of it I cannot see why they cannot do it now.
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Join Date: Sep 2005
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Once everyone has been made to comply and brainwashed into obeying all speed limits, watch the revenue fall dramatically....they can't afford to have us all drive at the speed limit.
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Kinda like active cruise and speed control thrown together..... |
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Banana
Join Date: Sep 2005
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I'm confused......
Do I vote YES...that it's time to standup for ourselves??? Do I vote NO... the Govt is not handling this the right way???
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Join Date: Jun 2007
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the government handles everything the wrong way - they need to come onto aff and look at a "speed camera/hoon/etc. thread" and then ask the most vocal members what to do. they are the most learned and correct
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FF.Com.Au Hardcore
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The population (in general) seem to think that a licence is a right. I don't think so. When there are other people's lives at stake, you having a licence is a privilege.
To that end, IMO every learner going for there licence should not simply have to pass a 20 minute driving test and a computer test but (at the very least) a full day defensive driving course as well. If they don't pass that, back to the start of the queue. As far as I'm concerned they can pay for it themselves. I've done one (was given it as a gift) and it has helped me out a few times. Even if they only put it into practice once, that knowing how to brake properly on a wet road, how far back to stay from the car in-front etc may save their life on that one occasion. Once is enough. I have no problem with govts putting speed camera's in, dropping speed limits etc and raising revenue - governments need revenue to survive and pay for road maintenance. I do have a problem with them saying it's purely to save lives. Speed camera's raise revenue. EDUCATION saves lives. Knowing how to drive properly saves lives. |
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if you don't agree with the speed zones, it doesn't mean you go out and speed out of protest. there are other ways to voice your protests. |
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FF.Com.Au Hardcore
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I also think that if the government came out and said 'Hey, they (cameras) are there for revenue but you have the choice and the money goes towards maintaining the roads and this and that and the rest' most reasonable people would say fair enough. |
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