Hoon Laws got me....

[DOMN8N]

Originally Posted by FordFan86

Are L/P platers getting thicker or is it just me???
-Or-
r L n P pltrs getn thikr or iz it jst me¿

all i am saying is im sorry for him gettin done for sumthing he didnt do
and that im going to have to stay the way i am n not do ne burnouts or speed

i dont see wat is thick about that

[woodsy109]

Originally Posted by -jjM-

ever watched super troopers? they dont mate, they really dont have anything better to do

Mate of mine is a cop and got a warning for trying to say "meeow" 10 times to someone he pulled over. Funny stuff.

[briggsy]

that unlucky.
i have never had a fine in my whole driving or been warned touch wood...
maybe that is because i have onl had my license for 2 weeks hahah

[Walkinshaw]

Originally Posted by dommuz

all i am saying is im sorry for him gettin done for sumthing he didnt do
and that im going to have to stay the way i am n not do ne burnouts or speed

i dont see wat is thick about that

I'm getting something didn't I'm and any what

[STOKEB]

That link isnt the law for hooning. That just explains some question that people will ask i want a copy of the Legislation and ACT. The local newspaper had a copy in there but didnt get a chance to read it.. My mate read it and said that theres a loop hole that doesnt give the cops the power to take anyone car. I wanna read this for my self and this might help out other drivers with getting there cars impounded so if anyone can find the law send me a link and make sure its not the one withthe questions that might be asked thanx guys

[Laminge]

For god sakes people type your words out and don't sms post..

[banarcus]

Sorry to be harsh mate but losing your car and your licence for a while is probably the biggest favour the system has given you. There are too many people that take the **** with road rules and sure our Victorian brothers do have to be a lot more careful than the rest of us, but....

If you come a gutsa and rammed another forum member into a concrete pylon on that same journey, you can bet your bottom dollar you wouldn't be getting the same sentiments from most here now.

For those who say "he didn't do it, really he didn't because he said he didn't" well I can say that lying as a copper is punished far more severely than if you were busted doing an indictable offence.

[arm79]

djmaker, this may be of some assistance:

Originally Posted by Email question to Police Conduct Unit

Hi,

I'm not sure if I am directing this question at the correct place. If
not, could you please direct me as to where.

I was wondering if there is a maximum speed that a general patrol unit
is allowed to travel in pursuit of a vehicle? And is there a maximum
speed for TMU vehicles, and if so, is it different/higher than general
partol vehicles.

I look forward to your response.

Regards,

Originally Posted by Reply from Police Conduct Unit

There are many factors that come into question in relation to the
pursuit of vehicles. These range from traffic conditions like weather,
visibility, other traffic, safety of members of the public etc. A police
pursuit is controlled by a member of the police force known as the
pursuit controller. The pursuit controller, usually the supervising
sergeant on duty has the power to continue or call off any vehicle
pursuit and he takes into account the above factors when doing so. All
police vehicles must exercise due care and attention when invovled in
any pursuit.

There is no difference to speed re TMU vehicles and general duties
vehicles.

Originally Posted by Email question to Police Conduct Unit

Thanks for the response.

In reference to your reply, I have just one more question.

Does the pursuit controller in some way log these vehicle pursuits and
the speeds that are attained during the pursuit? And if so, how long are
they kept as records?

Thanks again.

Regards,

Originally Posted by Reply from Police Conduct Unit

In response to your question to Senior Constable Carr relating to vehicle pursuits:

- Basic records are kept depending on the level of the pursuit
- Records are kept for a minimum of two years

Please don't hesitate to call this office on 1300 363 101, 8 am to 5 pm
Monday to Friday if you have any further inquires.

Regards

So from what I gather and understand, the Police are obliged to keep records of high speed pursuits, and not by the driver, but the supervising officer.

It may pay to find out if this incident was recorded and what speeds were recorded. If there is no evidence of a 150km/h top speed, then you have a bloody good case. If the copper was travelling at that speed and didn't report it back, he will probably have something to answer to.

If there is evidence, then you will still be in a fair pickle.

[Ringo]

127 kph, 7.30 pm at night on the Monash Freeway heading towards the city - correct? That would take some serious lane chopping and changing to maintain...

I can only imagine that the officer in pursuit would have had to have kept his wits about him too.

Could this driving behaviour be the cause of the copper wanting to label you a hoon ?

[arm79]

Originally Posted by Ringo

127 kph, 7.30 pm at night on the Monash Freeway heading towards the city - correct? That would take some serious lane chopping and changing to maintain...

I can only imagine that the officer in pursuit would have had to have kept his wits about him too.

Could this driving behaviour be the cause of the copper wanting to label you a hoon ?

Interesting point. If there was some serious lane changing in medium level traffic, etc, etc, then the cop in question would have had to report the pursuit. So there will be a record of it.

But the hoon laws allow for "dangerous driving" reasons to impound a car. There would be no need to book him for 150km/h if this were the case. He could have cited "dangerous driving, we're taking your car" and thats it.

[gthofan]

good work arm 79!!

[Jake F6]

Well I think that just about everyone here has missed the point.
The point to me is "does the punishment fit the crime?"

If you go 127 km/h in a 100km/h zone, should you:

A) Lose 4 demerit points & get a $250 fine.

B) Get your car towed away, Get stranded on the side of the highway,
Have to face charges at court etc.

C) Get shot on the spot, and have all of your relatives sent to jail.


Now, the bloke obviously made a mistake, and 5 years ago in Victoria
he would have been given option A), learnt his lesson, and not re-ofended.

Unfortunately, we seem to be slowly moving from A) --> C).

I have driven a car in 12 countries in Europe in 2004, and I must say,
that over here we seem to have become a real police state lately.

I predict that in 5 years time some of the cardigan wearing members on here
will be saying. "Yeah they shot him on the spot for doing 127 km/h but
he should have known better. I hope everyone learns their lesson"

Conclusion: If you cop this on the chin and don't take it to court, your
basically telling the police that you accept the way you have been treated.

Go to court! Fight for your rights! (Whilst we still have some).
For gods sake, we should be on the streets protesting aginst this cr@p!

[Professor Farnsworth]

Originally Posted by BLACK XR6-VCT

Well I think that just about everyone here has missed the point.
The point to me is "does the punishment fit the crime?"

If you go 127 km/h in a 100km/h zone, should you:

A) Lose 4 demerit points & get a $250 fine.

B) Get your car towed away, Get stranded on the side of the highway,
Have to face charges at court etc.

C) Get shot on the spot, and have all of your relatives sent to jail.


Now, the bloke obviously made a mistake, and 5 years ago in Victoria
he would have been given option A), learnt his lesson, and not re-ofended.

Unfortunately, we seem to be slowly moving from A) --> C).

I have driven a car in 12 countries in Europe in 2004, and I must say,
that over here we seem to have become a real police state lately.

I predict that in 5 years time some of the cardigan wearing members on here
will be saying. "Yeah they shot him on the spot for doing 127 km/h but
he should have known better. I hope everyone learns their lesson"

Conclusion: If you cop this on the chin and don't take it to court, your
basically telling the police that you accept the way you have been treated.

Go to court! Fight for your rights! (Whilst we still have some).
For gods sake, we should be on the streets protesting aginst this cr@p!

See your post is irrelevant..

talking about how leniant other countries are etc is fantastic but we live in australia. i detest a lot of the road laws, but i abide by them. we all know the law, if we don't, we shouldn't be driving. which part of this is escaping you ? he broke the law, and will now face the penalties. very simple equation. if i have to follow the law, why shouldn't he ? end of story.

[arm79]

Originally Posted by fantz

See your post is irrelevant..

talking about how leniant other countries are etc is fantastic but we live in australia. i detest a lot of the road laws, but i abide by them. we all know the law, if we don't, we shouldn't be driving.

50/50 agree with you. We live in Australia yes, but we should also be asking why are we a nearly a police state in this regard. Do overseas countries have better training. Better licencing requirements. Etc, etc. Government keeps on passing bandaid laws that really do nothing but publicly make it like the government is doing something.

Originally Posted by fantz

which part of this is escaping you ? he broke the law, and will now face the penalties. very simple equation. if i have to follow the law, why shouldn't he ? end of story.

But this one is crap. Another person who is single mindedly attacking djmaker. Yes, he was speeding, he admits it and is willing to wear the penalties. But this thread was never about that. It is about an individual copper taking taking the written law - yes the one that you follow to the letter as well - screwing it up and throwing it over his shoulder and making things up as he goes along.

I would really love to see your post in here should you get done under the new hooning laws for no reason other than the cop is an ******* and on a power trip.

[LTDHO]

Originally Posted by BLACK XR6-VCT

Well I think that just about everyone here has missed the point.
The point to me is "does the punishment fit the crime?"

If you go 127 km/h in a 100km/h zone, should you:

A) Lose 4 demerit points & get a $250 fine.

B) Get your car towed away, Get stranded on the side of the highway,
Have to face charges at court etc.

C) Get shot on the spot, and have all of your relatives sent to jail.


Now, the bloke obviously made a mistake, and 5 years ago in Victoria
he would have been given option A), learnt his lesson, and not re-ofended.

Unfortunately, we seem to be slowly moving from A) --> C).

I have driven a car in 12 countries in Europe in 2004, and I must say,
that over here we seem to have become a real police state lately.

I predict that in 5 years time some of the cardigan wearing members on here
will be saying. "Yeah they shot him on the spot for doing 127 km/h but
he should have known better. I hope everyone learns their lesson"

Conclusion: If you cop this on the chin and don't take it to court, your
basically telling the police that you accept the way you have been treated.

Go to court! Fight for your rights! (Whilst we still have some).
For gods sake, we should be on the streets protesting aginst this cr@p!

I think you have missed the big picture.
Someone got done after having a Probationary Licence for 1 month doing 27kph over the signed speed. It is not a person who is new to the road and accidently did a couple over or an experienced driver doing 25 over. It's the worse of both senarios.

There is a lesson to be learned and sometimes it has to be done the hard way.

[arm79]

Originally Posted by LTDHO

I think you have missed the big picture.
Someone got done after having a Probationary Licence for 1 month doing 27kph over the signed speed. It is not a person who is new to the road and accidently did a couple over or an experienced driver doing 25 over. It's the worse of both senarios.

There is a lesson to be learned and sometimes it has to be done the hard way.

No, you have missed the big picture.

If what djmaker is claiming is 100% true, then he is being unfairly fined and treated.

He was doing 27 over the limit. He shound be ***-raped to the full extent of the prescribed law. I have no sympathy for him in that regard, he deserves to be punished to that level, as he is ready to accept.

However, the prescribed punishment does not allow a vigilante cop to add another 23km/h onto the actual speed to screw him even further.

While you may agree with the cop and what he did, it doesn't fit with what laws have been passed. Give the kid a break and help him with his problem. If you want to rant about how apparent **** weak our laws are, maybe start another thread, and freely bag everyone out there.

As I said above, I look forward to your thread when a copper takes your car away for 48 hours for accidentally chirping the wheels on take off from the lights. I can see it now "Come on officer, that what unintentional"... "No son, I heard noise and saw some smoke... I've called for a truck to come get your car now. Give up, public opinion is against you... Hoon!"

[Bobman]

I agree with arm,

Our rights are being lost every year, look back at 1986 and now, you can't do anything now without getting in legal trouble.

Soon in the future we'll have nothing, we will be slaves. Remember ID tags they wanted etc?

And to those who say police are just doing their job, yes but they can use discretion however they have set quota's which they must adhere to.

[muzza 302]

It is simple if you wona speed then do it on a race track and not on the roads sorry but there is no sympathy here, if the speed limit is 100 then you do 100 its as simple as that
The more hoons of our roads the beta

[Jake F6]

Originally Posted by fantz

i detest a lot of the road laws, but i abide by them. we all know the law, if we don't, we shouldn't be driving. which part of this is escaping you ?

It sounds like you would probably be quite happy to live in an authoritarian
regime.

"The government says we should do it, so we must obey at all costs -
even if we disagree with everything that they are saying"

Come on man! This is NOT North Korea !!!!

As for those people that dob in people to the police out:
Seriously what have we degenerated into??? If Bracks said that he will
start confiscating houses if people don't have smoke alarms installed,
you would probably say "That's fine - Everyone knows the law".

I was considering getting an XR6T for my next car, but the way things
are going.... What's the point? fantz will probably call the cops if he sees
the @rse end of my car step out a bit going around a corner.

When I went to the FPV Family day a few years ago, at the end, almost
every car leaving got it a bit sideways turning back onto the Hume. In other
words we all love to give our cars a bit, that's what seperates us from Camry
owners. Nobody crashed their car or killed anyone, did they! This year
if that happens again, FPV had better charter a few busses to get everyone
home!!!

I think I'm in the minority. Maybe I should to move to another country....
Maybe Canada? Do gooders - you make me sick!

Can someone start a poll // Do you agree with the new hoon laws YES.NO //

[DOMN8N]

Originally Posted by STOKEB

That link isnt the law for hooning. That just explains some question that people will ask i want a copy of the Legislation and ACT. The local newspaper had a copy in there but didnt get a chance to read it.. My mate read it and said that theres a loop hole that doesnt give the cops the power to take anyone car. I wanna read this for my self and this might help out other drivers with getting there cars impounded so if anyone can find the law send me a link and make sure its not the one withthe questions that might be asked thanx guys

i actually tor it out and kept is yes i think it does have a loop hole

[Laminge]

Originally Posted by BLACK XR6-VCT

I think I'm in the minority. Maybe I should to move to another country....
Maybe Canada? Do gooders - you make me sick!

I have started donations for your move, so far we have well over $1000.00, and thats just from me, the quicker you move off the better things will get.

: : : : :

[wulos]

Originally Posted by BLACK XR6-VCT

It sounds like you would probably be quite happy to live in an authoritarian
regime.

"The government says we should do it, so we must obey at all costs -
even if we disagree with everything that they are saying"

I'm quite happy to live in a society that has standards of law and order along with the enforcement that it brings with it. Give me that ANYDAY over an anarchist state where any member of society can do as he/she pleases.
I would NOT like to live in a dictatorship or beneath a totalitarian regime (which is possibly what you were alluding to when you wrote authoritarian)
Under the current Australian government system you do at least have a right to state you do not agree with the current laws without being shot on the spot for such a suggestion (which would definitely NOT be the case in the world that you find so attractive)
For your sake I hope that you go through life without the misfortune of ever needing the services of another person, let alone that of emergency services, hospital etc as they are in Australia at least government funded / coordinated resources and you do not see a need for them to be provided.

This is getting off topic however - if you wish to rant about government policy, take it elsewhere - this thread is here to answer djmaker's questions.

[Professor Farnsworth]

Originally Posted by arm79

Another person who is single mindedly attacking djmaker. Yes, he was speeding, he admits it and is willing to wear the penalties. But this thread was never about that.

um, no it is not single minded attacking, do not accuse me of things i am not doing. try reading it again, it's putting it (as i already said) in simple terms. and i won't be convicted under the law of speeding in this new system, as i don't speed, those who do, obviously risk being penalised.

you just don't get it... what i am saying is, if you break the law, expect to be penalised if you are caught in the act. i am sick to death of having people flying past me when i'm abiding by the laws. anyone who speeds habitually deserves to be caught, and face punishment.

as for the excess claim the police allegedly made in relation to djmaker, yes that is an unfair move if it is true, and something which i already advised djmaker to seek legal counsel about.

please do not accuse me of personal attacks, read my posts carefully.

[LUXO_8]

nobody is denying that he should be punished though........... he just shouldnt be pinged for 150 and have his car impounded for the eleged 150 when he has a ticket for 127...........

[Professor Farnsworth]

Originally Posted by BLACK XR6-VCT

It sounds like you would probably be quite happy to live in an authoritarian
regime.

haha my god. yes i'd love that, who wouldn't ? READ MY POST PROPERLY. ' i detest... ' etc etc

Originally Posted by BLACK XR6-VCT

I was considering getting an XR6T for my next car, but the way things are going.... What's the point? fantz will probably call the cops if he sees the @rse end of my car step out a bit going around a corner.

that's not really even worthy of my reply, but i'll do it anyway. mate i live in an area where this happens every 5 seconds, why on earth would i report it ? where did i say anything about people spinning their wheels ? i'm replying to the SPEEDING aspect. once again, read my posts properly before posting outlandish replies. if you'd done a search you'd see i've already posted several replies in other threads saying how idiotic i think some of the new hoon laws are, ESPECIALLY being stung for slight chirping off the line. It's amazing how you can pull something like that out purely because you have no rational retorts.

just so you can understand clearly, i'll break it down for you...:

THE THREAD WAS REGARDING SPEEDING, whether it be 27 over or 50 over, it is excessive speed, especially for late peak hour on the south eastern. whether djmaker gets off the charge or is convicted, i wish him the best, but this is a public forum and i expressed my opinion about 1, and one point only:

I AM NOT FOND OF SPEEDERS

understand now ? cool.

[EAman]

man what rims and rubber u running if you spedos 23ks out u must get good economy

[Jake F6]

Sorry guys.

I think I took my comments a bit too far. I am going to stay out of this
thread now, as I don't want to take it off topic again.

Laminge: Can I still have $1000 ? :Reverend:

[arm79]

Originally Posted by fantz

um, no it is not single minded attacking, do not accuse me of things i am not doing. try reading it again, it's putting it (as i already said) in simple terms. and i won't be convicted under the law of speeding in this new system, as i don't speed, those who do, obviously risk being penalised.

you just don't get it... what i am saying is, if you break the law, expect to be penalised if you are caught in the act. i am sick to death of having people flying past me when i'm abiding by the laws. anyone who speeds habitually deserves to be caught, and face punishment.

It is. Yes he broke the law, doing 127 not 150 as alledged. Even though for your advice, I would still guess you prefer to see him loose his car on the 150km/h charge.

You admit your sick to death of people flying by you. You seem to be taking your frustrations out on this poor bloke. If someone else is speeding, they will be caught. They should be afforded all the protection under the law as it allows, and be hit with the PRESCRIBED PUNISHMENT, not something the cop makes up on the spot.

In reality, this cop is making a complete mockery of the laws you are abiding everytime you get in your car.

Originally Posted by fantz

as for the excess claim the police allegedly made in relation to djmaker, yes that is an unfair move if it is true, and something which i already advised djmaker to seek legal counsel about.

Thats what this whole thread is about. Not to attack the poor bloke. He knows what he did is wrong and is ready to take his punishment like a man! I'm sure he is sick of being attacked for somethng he has read over and over in 6 pages.

Originally Posted by fantz

please do not accuse me of personal attacks,

Hard not to when you continually claim this whole thing is about speeding. I think your bias in wanting to see a p plater have the book thrown at him is overriding the fact laws and powers have been greatly abused here.

My quote was not intended as a personal attack towards you, just a mention that I think you're focusing on the wrong thing here

Originally Posted by fantz

read my posts carefully.

I did. ;)

[Professor Farnsworth]

Originally Posted by arm79

It is. Yes he broke the law, doing 127 not 150 as alledged. Even though for your advice, I would still guess you prefer to see him loose his car on the 150km/h charge.

You admit your sick to death of people flying by you. You seem to be taking your frustrations out on this poor bloke. If someone else is speeding, they will be caught. They should be afforded all the protection under the law as it allows, and be hit with the PRESCRIBED PUNISHMENT, not something the cop makes up on the spot.

In reality, this cop is making a complete mockery of the laws you are abiding everytime you get in your car.



Thats what this whole thread is about. Not to attack the poor bloke. He knows what he did is wrong and is ready to take his punishment like a man! I'm sure he is sick of being attacked for somethng he has read over and over in 6 pages.



Hard not to when you continually claim this whole thing is about speeding. I think your bias in wanting to see a p plater have the book thrown at him is overriding the fact laws and powers have been greatly abused here.

My quote was not intended as a personal attack towards you, just a mention that I think you're focusing on the wrong thing here



I did. ;)

for the third time.. please read

Originally Posted by fantz

as for the excess claim the police allegedly made in relation to djmaker, yes that is an unfair move if it is true, and something which i already advised djmaker to seek legal counsel about.

yeah wooo that looks like a personal attack doesn't it.

i've attempted several times now to explain to you in detail but it doesn't seem to be getting through. This will be my last reply to you because i'm banging my head on a brick wall.

[Bobman]

Funny enough, in relation to this thread but by no means discrediting the OP,

Starting today the police are targetting the Monash for 1 month, concentrating on speeding and talking on mobiles, from the city all the way out to Beaconsfield along this major road. Good, I am glad something will be done to curb the number of minor nose to tail's especially near Toorak Road, it's a nightmare road enough as it is in peak hour. I'm all for it, hope they target lipstick applying motorists whilst driving in the morning rush too

Despite all the media coverage they'll still book people no doubt. Talking on the phone is something I'm really again'st, I see mainly females talking on their mobiles everyday in traffic, and driving dangerously, why aren't they being booked? There is not really much of a "presence" as there used to be.

Also habitual speeders are not just other idiots on the road either (although slow coaches are equally dangerous and bloody stupid too ie 50 in 60 zone), sometimes it's in form of unmarked or marked police cars, also usually just on patrol, especially after I witnessed a divisional van "catch up" at speeds exceeding 90km in a 60km zone to intercept an elderley motorist for a routine check, that is unacceptable.

Any updates anyway, djmaker?