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Let the market transition when it’s ready, rather than let extremists become dictators. Speaking of the market, it would be unfortunate for everyone to seek an alternative insurer. ;)
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has to be april fools
Australia do not produce cars they cannot dictate when we can ban fuels who are we going to buy them off?? we have to follow Japan, Korea, Europe, US and even then we will be a few years behind maybe the government will pay to have my LPG removed and an electric drivetrain fitted to me FG falcon
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Many countries have already announced they will ban sale of ICE cars by 2030, Norway by 2025.
All the German car makers and China are moving to electric. 2025 many be a bit early, but 2030 is plenty of time. Electric cars would be the same price if not cheaper with more features such as autonomy. |
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Don't be fooled by the economies of Scale Kmav.
there quite a few other factors that determine automotive pricing. Consider government tax's (or lack of currently) and the marketplace.
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Bill Shorten will impose an *aggressive pollution cap on *industry and business if elected, in a bid to meet Labor’s ambitious climate change targets, and will push for half of all new cars sold in Australia to be electric within a decade.
From the Australian which is paywalled. Everyone means well but the net Co2 savings from electric cars is not that great. This part of The Greens policy is particularly interesting: Eliminate tariffs, stamp duty and GST on new electric car sales to make them more affordable, plus three years of free car registration. Stamp duty and rego are state taxes and GST is paid to the states. So have the Greens discussed their policy with the state governments? Basically, all pie in the sky dreams. |
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It was probably written by A P Rilfool
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2025 will be when EVs will be the same price. |
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It's not the price of EVs that need to come down... It's the price of the batteries.
Building a car to house an ICE or electric motor is about the same. As EV production ramps up and demand increases... So will the cost of Lithium and Cobalt stocks. So EV prices won't fall that rapidly. Unless manufacturers can develop electrical storage in mass using alternative technologies at a lower cost, those who control the World's Lithium stocks are the real winners. |
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17 years ago I traveled the Salar de Uyuni. Its probably all ripped up now for its lithium. wonder if the Greens thought about that?
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Looks like India have made a deal with the Bolivians. Take a look at the 50 sec mark
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ddLp0m5sKbs
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Although diesel will still be needed for ships, locomotives, B doubles etc, and aviation fuel for jets (electric plane anyone???) no doubt the oil suppliers are doing a bit of a hissy fit at present....
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https://www.climatecouncil.org.au/re...-storage-2018/ There is plenty of lithium in the world, in fact lithium prices are currently plunging as investment and supplies increase. Experts predict lithium prices will continue to fall the next few years. Australia has huge amounts of lithium and cobalt. |
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Short and medium distances full battery system is possible, for long distance a hybrid system would suit.
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Reality is government will simply regulate away the ability to buy a petrol or diesel domestic vehicles from a date period.
Doubt they will ban petrol/diesel as it will still be required, simply a choking off of domestic petrol/diesel vehicle through natural attrition and inability to buy new such vehicles.
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Or we could bypass electric and move forward..
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While they may indeed be 'plenty' or 'huge amounts' no mineral resource is infinite in this world. Sooner or later it runs out. What do we do then? |
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Come to think of it, we can grow ship loads of sugarcane for ethanol... |
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No doubt you can. I suppose what I am getting at, with consumerism do we have enough lithium etc to sustain this technology for the next 1000 years? The difference is sugarcane is renewable lithium is not. I understand that new technology will come along but what happens if it doesn't? Do we go back to hydrogen? Where is this lithium currently? Is it under suburbia or is it out in the country where no one lives? How are we going to pull it out of the ground particularly if it is currently sitting under your favourite suburb? These above are simply questions and certainly not statements, and no, I don't pretend to have the answers either. |
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Technology gets replaced/refined over time. The pace of changes in last 20 years is pretty good, confident this will continue. I suppose we better keep horses around just in case ![]() Anyway, its a good problem to have, imagine what someone living in the 1890's would think. They had oil but didn't even know all its uses. imo there are many natural and renewable resources that we haven't realised the potential of. |
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Funny thing about predictions, no one in 2030 will remember the stupid ones
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Fortunately Australia is leader in lithium exports, ours comes from ore deposit in WA called Greenbushes Last edited by jpd80; 01-04-2019 at 07:16 PM. |
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Ford screwed the Falcon
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They won't take away my Falcon!
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fuel was underground !!! ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() yep if this was how the case went my ZH would learn to love sucking suger cane eth
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This will be me if that day arrives
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