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In particular one that will do the job of both the vehicles I own If I wasn't so aware of why they become affordable, I would have pulled the trigger by now.
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most people would consider that lower price as a sign to sell the vehicle earlier and take the win, yeah? Eight years time, what's the value on a $35k Triton, $8K-10K? Are you going to put, $6K, $7K, $8K into it or just write it off? and so it goes for second hand buyers, if it costs say $18K to buy and then, suffers a big expense, they gotta think hard what their next move will be.. Last edited by jpd80; 15-10-2019 at 03:37 PM. |
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On another note,
American trans experts are finding lots of drivability issues with later 10R and 8F stem from the adaptive learning, clear that out and they mostly come good. |
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honestly - most people don't think this through anything close to the depth you guys are. it's price, price, price and that's why the Korean cars sell. We are a bunch of enthusiasts, and I don't think we can really, deep down, understand why anyone would chose what we consider a pos, over a 'nice' car.
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a risk on it lasting a long time without any major expenses disturbing the force. Their reputations and reliability go way beyond their relatively lower prices. I don't think 4x4 pick up buyers have that same kind of cushion of reliability, expensive earlier failures are happening more frequently than used to be the case. It would be wise not to tempt fate outside the warranty period and risk getting stuck with a very expensive repair on an older pickup that's just not worth it. |
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Something that needs to be pointed out though is that Fords move to increase small car pricing with the Focus is starting to be adopted with competitors now. The days of 19k small cars is largely gone. The RRP of Corolla's, Mazda 3's etc has gone to the 23-24k area. With the fall in the dollar, and manufacturers looking to shore up profit margins they are all creeping the entry prices up. Ford just went too far by deleting the entry point model and starting off with the mid spec Trend. But profit is all they care about which I don't completely follow. Surely a base spec car, even if it doesn't make much, if any profit, could still be used as a leading price point to get people in the door and bump up some sales numbers? I'd love to know the full story as to why the Ambiente Focus was homologated and a few hundred made it here before they decided to not sell it anymore. Drop in the aussie dollar maybe? Last edited by Bossxr8; 16-10-2019 at 12:49 PM. |
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If you carry more "break even" sales to increase total revenue then, your profit percentage drops......(it's a real mind game that many can't cope with) If they only sell more profitable models, sales and total revenue drops which plays dreadfully in the press but the bean counters absolutely love that the company made a high profit percentage by doing less, selling less and expending less resources...(again, a real mind game) Some days, you just wish they'd bind and gag the accountants and just take a chance on good hunches with better product decisions... The worst part of Ford profitability plan is that it shuts out dealers from making a lot more sales and getting more vehicles to service... |
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Corolla has fallen down the ladder, whereas, the Cerato has gained to within 200 in September, unheard of.
People are caring less and less about brand snobbery and more about weekly repayments. Bad time to be asking for more. |
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More like rental car companies are moving away from corolla to cerato to cut costs.
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I thought it was less about brand snobbery and more about Toyota's proven reliability but then, I guess Kia also has that in spades too..... Was Toyota asking more? |
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I'm no economic professor however I reckon it's easier to manipulate a share price than manipulate profit as revenue is initially required before the accountants can manipulate the profit numbers with "creative accounting" and you can get caught out if you fudge these numbers as they need to be audited, whereas a couple of whispers, a few deal announcements, a bit of share play and suddenly your share price can take off on conjecture alone...... |
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Yes, the new Corolla is dearer I believe, they want $27k for a entry level manual Ascent sport on driveaway. The Cerato sport which is mid spec is $22k driveaway with entry level from $20.5k driveaway. Last edited by BENT_8; 16-10-2019 at 06:25 PM. |
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Toyota still making good coin out of Corolla but yes, Hyundai I30 and Kia Cerato have it surrounded. This segment is now all about the lowest monthly payment, hard to have a discussion when buyers in this segment are the ones most under the pump with economic stress, more on monthly payments equals more financial stress/not meeting other payments. Last edited by jpd80; 16-10-2019 at 07:51 PM. |
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That's why KIA is the only manufacturer on the up every month, that and its now ok to be seen in one. |
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on a Zeted Focus there was just under 20,000 pounds....Escape was 35,000 pounds sux to live there. Last edited by jpd80; 16-10-2019 at 08:23 PM. |
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I always laugh at these threads. People think the sales numbers are just private buyers.
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when in fact the volume selling trim could be the second or third trim. We just had an example of Corolla with a starting price of $27K up against Cerato with a starting price roughly $6K less but assured that the most popular model was ~$23k. Unless we're privy to the actual sales mix it's really hard to know who exactly buys what and how much they actually pay, some assume that big jumps in sales are either discounts or delivery of fleet orders, again we have no real colour on that save for some rare insider heads up...these days, fleet sales tend to be the same trim as retail cars in order to preserve good residual values. Most of those orders get bugger all discount over a retail buyer discount as there's just no fat on the numbers anymore. ZB Commodore sales numbers were propped up by Holden changing out its own fleet on at least two occasions in the past 18 months. Imagine what that does to ZB residual values. Last edited by jpd80; 16-10-2019 at 09:51 PM. |
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If I was looking to spend $32k on a mid spec corolla i'd be getting the 150kw Cerato GT. |
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but enough in front of the Corolla, the fun factor is most definitly there.... For my money, the base Trend Focus for about $3K less is probably enough, Hatch, same engine and 8-speed auto all adds up to a nice package and German build quality as well. Can't help wondering that Focus is suffering big time for Powershift public judgement against Ford, even though they shifted off it back in 2015, the bad air is still following Focus. |
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I'd suggest it's more that ford itself is suffering over it's public image of how it's handled it, they have given consumers no faith they will back their products if there's a fault, that stain will be with them for awhile
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Ford should put me in charge for a while, first order would be say YES to every complaint and warranty concern. No good offering unlimited km warranties if the target market thinks you'll not honour it. |
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When I took my KIA in for its complimentary service they asked me if I needed anything taken care of, left me wondering how a company can have that attitude towards an $18k item when we hear horror stories on cars worth 2 and 3 times that from others, not necessarily Ford products. |
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Hence corolla rental cars might cost more at purchse but bigger $$$ at sale. I believe boral and buying just 3.2 rangers now as the resale is so much better then the 2.2s |
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Sorry Russ, I was focussing on those in the top 10 but I'm not surprised with MG as those 3's are a lot of shopping trolley for $15k drive away
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