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Any see the dribble written by Paul Gover in the cars guide yesterday, gushing about how environmentally friendly and fuel efficient the new engine is. What a tos ser.
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Frankly Scarlet, I couldn't give a damn.
I won't be buying either anytime soon, or ever, so I have no particular concern. Both cars are grossly overpowered rubbish, and totally unnecessarily so, IMO. It's only the leadfooted public that keep them making the trash. Who really NEEDS 3L+ for a family car????? Even worse if for one person. This planets resources can't afford the drain of making and running such monsters indefinitely. Someday, something will have to give. If we're not careful. it might be us! Terminally! |
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Now that I think about it, we might all be wrong, Perhaps Commode-ors are the better car, faster, quicker, handle better; Surely all those juvenile car thieves can't be THAT wrong, can they??? I mean, they know what they want, so they'd always take the best car for the job, surely? And thrills is the name of the game, so why not.......?.
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what drugs is this guy ^^ on and where do i get some?
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More jibberish in the Saturdays SA Cardguide lift out, a whole article devoted to the "greener, environmentally friendly quest" that holden is aiming for. Then right on the next page a pic of a 60th Anniversary Omega on top of a "big savings article". Holden deals in the first paragraph and not even a mention to any ford. Another article on beefed up Pontiac G8 and Comaro concept cars. Wonder how much GMH forks out to get all this published, and its the same stories and crap every carsguide lift out. If a commodore is witnessed having a small accident it wouldnt surprise me if a "VE safety prevents death of 5 family members" crap is published
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Its pretty simple. All Holden need to do is show a Commodore driving down a country road, the surrounding grass/trees/fields 'greening up' as it drives past. The narrator says: "Holden Commodore, more fuel efficient than ever." And then end with the standard black screen with holden logo and 'Go Better' slogan.
Job done. They've said its more fuel efficient than ever. I mean, sure, it still uses more fuel than the Falcon, and it makes no where near the amount of power that the Falcon has. But they havent lied, its using less fuel than before. Typical Holden, The truth, but not the whole truth, and everything including some truth.
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Speaking of VEs, I heard one missing it's guts off a few days ago (unmarked police car). The alloytec isn't all that "special" like the articles seem to make it out to be.
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Guys, I'd love to see if Ford could better Holden's 14.2L/100km out of their LPG engine. Holden's LPG offering is now significantly better than Ford's LPG offering.
Regards, Dave
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I wouldn't think that the alloytec would be able to do the 'hard yards' like Ford's 6 cylinder either in terms of higher kms.
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Its not really that Ford's marketing is crap (Well the marketing department does need to be shot), its that Ford has a really bad brand image here in Australia, was talking to one of my workmates who owns a BMW X5 and it has the ZF6 speed auto in it, I mentioned that Ford uses the same gearbox in the Falcon, and he said straight away "Does that mean its going to fall apart in the next 2000kms?".
Ford doesn't have a good reputation, they need to fix that with the FG and they aren't doing a good job, que marketing department.
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Did anyone else read the Cars Guide's readers questions?
People were replying to an idiot who was criticising the Falcon. Made for a good read as the replies were quite constructive and true.
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lpg = big boom!
Join Date: Oct 2006
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there is 2 problems with this statement. 1 - the falcon lpg option is $1100! the holden ones is $3,900 the STATED fuel figures for the falcon is 16.2/100 and the holden at 16.0l/100 2 - the lpg system in the holden is SVI and takes abotu 20 minutes to switch!!! i took a holden berlina with the facory lpg option fitted for a test drive. the DP TOLD ME NOT TO BUY ONE AND JUST GET A PETROL AND GO AFTER MARKET. due to the amount of complaints about the factory system. edit - also... on my BA i never saw above 15L/100 and on my BF... im always in low 13's i do about 30 min up the freeway each day and 60 minutes in sydney city traffic!
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The Commodore LPG option costs $2400 and qualifies for a Federal Rebate of $2000 for CONVERTED LPG vehicles. For the majority of private motorists in Australia, this means that all you'll pay for either LPG option after the Federal Rebate is $400. I know which one I would choose! Quote:
The LPG Commodore with revised engine uses 10.6L/100km when run on petrol, or 14.2L/100km when running on LPG. When the LPG option was first released in 2006, LPG consumption was rather high at 16L/100km, but people I have been speaking to tell me that the real life consumption is closer to 15L/100km. http://www.carpoint.com.au/car-review/3000967.aspx http://www.redbook.com.au/new-cars/d...d=11D814DDF810 The latest Falcon E-gas actually has a claimed fuel consumption figure of 14.9L/100km according to Red Book. http://www.redbook.com.au/new-cars/d...d=11D814DDF810 The urban consumption figure of 20.1L/100km is quite frankly rather worrying! Quote:
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lpg = big boom!
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Ford's website states the current price at $1100.00 for the LPG Option!
the figures i have for the VE-LPG cars are the material i was given at Central Coast HOLDEN 2 WEEKS AGO! and yes! I drive a SVI Car DAILY when at work a 2007 Model VE-Omega with the factory LPG system and its BAD!
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Are you sure your work car isn't faulty? Regards, Dave
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lpg = big boom!
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this is the second SVI VE-Omega they have had.
1. it shudders when switching between the fuels. 2. has an intermittent stalling problem when on LPG 3. the power loss on lpg is a majour problem its very, very bad. 4. it takes 15-20 minutes to switch... 5. consumption is in the high-25'-30l/100 in the city - my falcon is never that high... high 20's is the max i have even seen. both cars have had this issue..
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MY2008 FG Falcon XT E-gas: 14.9L/100km MY09.5 Commodore Omega LPG: 14.2L/100km Regards, Dave
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Word has it that Holden have done a lot with the latest revision gas engine to improve economy and smoothness. Regards, Dave
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It would only be $2 a tank or something.
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lpg = big boom!
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i prefer a dedicated LPG car. i find the work car can hold far less in the boot with the lpg tank i have a sub in my e-gas and still can keep a stackload of stuff in the boot
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In that article, it was stated that an average 20,000km per annum motorist who takes up the LPG option "stands to save $189.80 a year". Based on the fuel consumption figures and price differential between gas and petrol, that figure seems to be extremely (i.e. excessively) conservative. Let me see... Annual distance travelled: 20,000km Fuel consumption (petrol): 10.6L/100km Fuel consumption (LPG): 14.2L/100km Cost of LPG (as stated in the article): 73c/L Cost of petrol (as stated in the article): $1.46/L Fuel use per annum (petrol): (20000 / 100) * 10.6 = 2120L Fuel cost per annum (petrol): 2120 * 1.46 = $3095.20 Fuel use per annum (LPG)*: (20000 * 0.85 / 100) * 14.2 = 2414, (20000 * 0.15 / 100) * 10.6 = 318 Fuel cost per annum (LPG)*: (2414 * 0.73) + (318 * 1.46) = 1762.22 + 464.28 = $2226.50 FUEL SAVING PER ANNUM: 3095.2 - 2226.5 = $868.70 * Based on 85% LPG usage Regards, Dave
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