Quality Control on the last Aussie cars??

[Blem]

Originally Posted by Bossxr8

This ^^^

^^^DITTO^^^
onya Bossxr8
I am sure you will keep standards high

[commodorenutt]

Yeah, some people need to pull their heads out of the 70s and into 2014.
I've been lucky enough to be involved with numerous tier suppliers, as well as directly with GMH, Ford, FPV & Toyota. I've toured numerous plants, and worked on projects with development engineers and production engineers.

Although I'm not directly involved with the assembly process, I do have a lot of exposure to many facets of the industry, and this is all current, and relevant.

The standards today are far higher than many other industries, yet people still like to regale in the stories of yesteryear. The problem is those spreading the stories are lucky to have set foot anywhere near the supply chain or an assembly plant.

[Itsme]

Originally Posted by johnydep

you guys, so predictable. Some of my best mates have worked on the production line, I could tell stories that would make owners scream.

This can be said for any company involved in manufacturing so nothing new in your statement.
Either you believe in the product or you don't, pretty simple when you think about it.

Cheers.

[johnydep]

Well some of the passion must have got mixed up when my Territory was assembled :-(

Missing felt pad to stop seat belt buckle rattling, took 2 visits to dealer to find the rattle at rear .
Front suspension out of wack due to issue with incorrect alignment of a jig on production line: took Ford half a year to work out why steering was pulling & tyre edge scrubbing. Then more time to work out a fix & install the specifically made parts. No tyre replacement.
A safety issue with lack of brake efficiency at high speed; took two visits to dealer to sort with me refusing to take the car until they found the problem. Eventually found that the yaw was incorrectly set at the factory.

All documented in the Territory section.

Am I expected to have 100% faith in the manufacturing process? I don't think so.

From the answers I've got - enjoy your new last loosely.

[pottery beige]

Originally Posted by johnydep

Well some of the passion must have got mixed up when my Territory was assembled :-(

Missing felt pad to stop seat belt buckle rattling, took 2 visits to dealer to find the rattle at rear .
Front suspension out of wack due to issue with incorrect alignment of a jig on production line: took Ford half a year to work out why steering was pulling & tyre edge scrubbing. Then more time to work out a fix & install the specifically made parts. No tyre replacement.
A safety issue with lack of brake efficiency at high speed; took two visits to dealer to sort with me refusing to take the car until they found the problem. Eventually found that the yaw was incorrectly set at the factory.

All documented in the Territory section.

Am I expected to have 100% faith in the manufacturing process? I don't think so.

From the answers I've got - enjoy your new last loosely.

clap clap for you

its quite obvious you started this thread with ulterior motives to slam the aus manuf industry and the guys and gals behind the scenes

enjoy all your future imported goodness

now **** off

[johnydep]

Originally Posted by pottery beige

clap clap for you

its quite obvious you started this thread with ulterior motives to slam the aus manuf industry and the guys and gals behind the scenes

enjoy all your future imported goodness

now **** off

Stop being paranoid.

I posted a legit question, the Territory issues did not enter my thoughts until this morning while contemplating everyone's responses.

Enjoy yourself.

[pottery beige]

back pedal much

yo weaksauce jumpstreet

[Silver Ghia]

Almost seems like johny has a strain of hulkitis with his persistent posting based on one persons here say, despite what we say. I do have a great deal of respect for johny especially with his technical articles, perhaps the water has become contaminated.

Maybe the moons aligned when they built my XR50. It just passed 50,000kms today, 4 years old 11 days ago, not one warranty claim since new, nor problem since warranty expired last year. Still on its original battery and tyres which should get at least another 10,000kms. Reminds me I need to rotate them again. One alignment since new, at 32,000kms.

[Dr Smith]

Originally Posted by johnydep

Stop being paranoid.

I posted a legit question, the Territory issues did not enter my thoughts until this morning while contemplating everyone's responses.

Enjoy yourself.

One thing you need to remember, your Territory was built at a time when production was running at the maximum the plant could handle building BA sedans & wagons, Utes, Fairlanes/Ltd's and Territory's. And QC was not the highpoint it should have been although my 2002 wagon went warranty claim-free apart from the fix for o-ring into water pump. My FG G6ET and 2 Territory's have been claim free as well. There isn't the diversity/complexity and a far slower production rate and we are 10 years on at least.

[pottery beige]

i own one of those internertz would leave you to believe horrible B Series 2003 cars

other than driver abuse related issues ( limiter dumps / big skids )

its been trouble free and a great car all round

( fyi jumpstreet $70k + loose change )

[johnydep]

Originally Posted by pottery beige

back pedal much

yo weaksauce jumpstreet

weird

[pottery beige]

Originally Posted by johnydep

weird

appears youre not on the same page buddy

F5

[BENT_8]

If it is panel fit or paint issues it would explain the private repairer.
When I worked for Toyota as a detailer we would clean up any new Holden's which the crash shop next door had done body repairs on.
You'd be surprised how many cars come off the line with paint defects.

I happen to know for certain that a car manufacturer in SA had trouble with day shift quality control issues as recent as 6 months ago.
At one stage the first 1/4 of arvo shift was wasted reworking the day shifts mistakes.

Straight from the horses mouth...

[4stanger]

Originally Posted by johnydep

Just finished speaking to the owner of a large repairer, got on to the subject of buying the last Aussie car in the last year. He was telling me that they've had a number of vehicles coming in with issues such as electrical plugs not connected properly, loose fasteners, etc.

Is this some sort of protest or sabotage?

I had a plan to buy the last year model. Not sure now

I'll stick my neck out and answer this now.
It is all up to management, how they "spin" the future to their employees.
If you are an employee of the last production line that had a BAD reputation for the product you produced, good luck putting this into your resume for future employment,
It all comes down to a team thing and if Ford have good teams remaining, there should be no problems.
I have FULL confidence they have appropriate people managing and working this. (as you would if it was your own business)

[pottery beige]

Originally Posted by BENT_8

If it is panel fit or paint issues it would explain the private repairer.
When I worked for Toyota as a detailer we would clean up any new Holden's which the crash shop next door had done body repairs on.
You'd be surprised how many cars come off the line with paint defects.

I happen to know for certain that a car manufacturer in SA had trouble with day shift quality control issues as recent as 6 months ago.
At one stage the first 1/4 of arvo shift was wasted reworking the day shifts mistakes.

Straight from the horses mouth...

no big deal correcting paint defects in PD

other shifts pulling up other shifts work is nothing new

its regarded as a sport

horses mouth

[Silver Ghia]

Originally Posted by Arnaldo

I'll stick my neck out and answer this now.
It is all up to management, how they "spin" the future to their employees.
If you are an employee of the last production line that had a BAD reputation for the product you produced, good luck putting this into your resume for future employment,
It all comes down to a team thing and if Ford have good teams remaining, there should be no problems.
I have FULL confidence they have appropriate people managing this. (as you would if it was your own business)

This appeared obvious at the Ford Fanatics day last Friday week ago, where there were many employees there amongst the people there. They were very enthusiastic.

I would have much faith in them building an FGX XR8 for me, if my circumstances were different and ordered one.

[Silver Ghia]

Originally Posted by pottery beige

no big deal correcting paint defects in PD

other shifts pulling up other shifts work is nothing new

its regarded as a sport

horses mouth

Even in the airline maintenance industry with supposedly exacting standards.

Horses mouth

[BENT_8]

Originally Posted by pottery beige

no big deal correcting paint defects in PD

other shifts pulling up other shifts work is nothing new

its regarded as a sport

horses mouth

What I wrote is fact, it had also increased substantially over pre decision rework rates.
You can play it down all you like, I know I'd believe the person who told me over a one line expert on a forum.

Like I eluded to and you've agreed, dodgy paint is nothing new, but im talking an increase big enough to make a 30+ year veteran consider it an issue.

But I guess you'd know more and have a short, worthless reply that you think is hilarious....pfft

[pottery beige]

Originally Posted by BENT_8

What I wrote is fact, it had also increased substantially over pre decision rework rates.
You can play it down all you like, I know I'd believe the person who told me over a one line expert on a forum.

Like I eluded to and you've agreed, dodgy paint is nothing new, but im talking an increase big enough to make a 30+ year veteran consider it an issue.

But I guess you'd know more and have a short, worthless reply that you think is hilarious....pfft

i will keep it short just for you been there done that horses mouth pfft

[pottery beige]

hilarity of the internertz / my mate said / has no bounds

i applaud the commitment

[BENT_8]

Originally Posted by pottery beige

hilarity of the internertz / my mate said / has no bounds

i applaud the commitment

lol, whatever you say.

[pottery beige]

Originally Posted by BENT_8

lol, whatever you say.

cool

[Franco Cozzo]

[vztrt]

Originally Posted by johnydep

As I first said - I was informed about issues. It could be BS, it could be exaggeration, it could be fact.

I would say exaggeration. There has been a change with the slow down so the first lot of cars wouldn't be the greatest. Like I said anything that would be a danger (as in bolts) is monitored on a system or anything electrical that important (from a safety point of view) is more robust then a simple click.

[mik]

Meh, qaulity control cant be perfect, things do get through on occasion , and this is true of any mass produced marque, if you look at japanese workers and their known extreme pride in their work ethic, even they get it wrong on occasions, although probably a bit less than other workers in general.
If I had cash for a new henry I would be putting my order in and not worried about any small problems that may or may not arise , they are under warranty anyway.

[Vesper Martini]

[QUOTE=bobthebilda;5244515]The guy who recently got people to smash up his jeep, because he said it was a lemon, jeep cant do a damn thing to him. The people on this website who bag car companies and their crap products etc, do it quite freely (and the site would crack down on it if was even close to defamatory), because nothing can come of it. QUOTE]

Just on that Jeep, it would have been one of last run of cars out of the Toledo plant before it closed..

[Smoke Pursuit]

Originally Posted by bobthebilda

Mate, unless you have rewritten the laws of defamation in the last few days, you will find that anyone can say the baddest things of a companies products, practices etc, and the company cant do a damn thing about it, except put forward their side of the story. The guy who recently got people to smash up his jeep, because he said it was a lemon, jeep cant do a damn thing to him. The people on this website who bag car companies and their crap products etc, do it quite freely (and the site would crack down on it if was even close to defamatory), because nothing can come of it. Imagine how far back into the stone ages consumer law would go, if people werent able to complain about companys, if they knew the company had the financial might to take them to court over a bad comment. Thus I call bull**** on your bull**** call.

Its got nothing to do with law. Its about protecting the product and the people who work for Ford. People going around making these sort of comments with out proof can jeopardise a product and or the people who build it.

While legally it will have no bearing on the author, it can have a bearing on the people involved. So people should actually wake up to themselves and think about that.

[Smoke Pursuit]

Also i have a July Build 2014 FPV ute and the build quality of this car has been nothing short of perfect. The only issue I have had is the grommit inspection and the dealer screwing the door trims when they tinted it. Otherwise its been perfect with nearly 5000 kms on the clock, no annoying rattles, no dodgy paint, nothing.

So to see threads like this ****** me off.

Kudos to the people at Ford.