Explanation of Falcon X model designation - Page 5

HO 3 · 28-01-2018, 09:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Blue Roo

I'm wondering, if Mick Taylor is the " Hulk" in disguise.

I've been having a Wolf Creek moment with that name......................he may be laying on a grassy knoll somewhere ready to take a head shot.

Cheers Mick

mick taylor · 28-01-2018, 10:19 PM

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Originally Posted by commodorenutt

??????

Hate to break it to you, but a vehicle name IS at TRADEMARK.
(Did I really just have to explain that?)

Contradictions, and convenient omissions (about trademarks, and this "dude" you claim came up with all these names and profits from them) - are always good clues to identify somebody who has little clue about reality.

I think your local bar misses you & needs propping up again:
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Thing is dude that Chevrolet has a Kingswood and a Statesman and Ford had Brougham.
Names can be sold you know.

Caprice first in Aus 22/7/1974 and then again in 1/2/1979 now that in it's self does not have anything to do with what the car is called,as I said the HQ Statesman is not a "Holden Statesman" it's a Statesman made by Holden, the Name "Holden Statesman" does not come about till 1991, can you get that

I know it sounds crazy but it's a fact.

mick taylor · 28-01-2018, 10:28 PM

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Originally Posted by hackney

@Commodore Nut.The Commodore name first came into use in 1967,when Opel used it, & as we all know continued with the Commodore lineage in Australia.In saying that are we not getting a bit off topic now? Think it’s time to move on away from Holden.Cheers

Opel Commodore
Holden Commodore
Chevrolet Commodore in South Africa, now the rights to the name ? they are all different company's. as is Ford UK, Canada, South Africa, Australia etc.

And even a Buick Opel 1900 in the USA.

Trump · 28-01-2018, 10:44 PM

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Originally Posted by mick taylor

Opel Commodore
Holden Commodore
Chevrolet Commodore in South Africa, now the rights to the name ? they are all different company's. as is Ford UK, Canada, South Africa, Australia etc.

And even a Buick Opel 1900 in the USA.

Just so we're clear.

Ford Motor Company owns all of the Ford subsidiaries across the world (Ford Motor Company of Australia et al), General Motors owns all of the GM subsidiaries across the world (General Motors Holden, Opel, Vauxhall et al). By corollary, both companies own all of the IP associated with their subsidiaries, including but not limited to trademarks and model names.

9triton · 28-01-2018, 10:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Sar4890

Thanks for the info 9triton I'm going to have a look for 1962 1/2 pics now. So is it from the xm on that we started adding our touches to the falcons for Australia?

american brochures :

early 62: 'roundbody'

brochure here :http://www.oldcarbrochures.org/index...alcon-Brochure

late 62 : thunderbird roofline

link here to brochure:

http://www.oldcarbrochures.org/index...n-Brochure-Rev

in fact an american website with some great Australian falcon brochures (as well as chysler and GHM , bmc etc )

falcon:
http://www.oldcarbrochures.org/index...-2/Ford/Falcon

Sar4890 · 28-01-2018, 11:14 PM

The 1962 Thunderbird roof looks very XM ish

9triton · 29-01-2018, 12:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Sar4890

The 1962 Thunderbird roof looks very XM ish

and XP'ish

same roof line on Australian XL/XM/XP

**Raptor** · 29-01-2018, 02:03 PM

Did you realise that the new for 1965 XP Falcon front sheet metal (guards & bonnet (hood?)) had first been used on the 1960-63 Mercury Comet.

Thankfully the Aussie Falcon carried over the rear sheet metal from the XM rather than use the Comets, but if you're into fins

**solarite_guy** · 29-01-2018, 02:05 PM

In the US late '50s and early '60s, fins were in.

**Raptor** · 29-01-2018, 02:17 PM

Hands up if you've ever heard of a Ford Frontenac

because = Canada

XByoot · 29-01-2018, 02:20 PM

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Originally Posted by solarite_guy

In the US late '50s and early '60s, fins were in.

As far as I’m concerned they still are!

HO 3 · 29-01-2018, 02:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Raptor

Hands up if you've ever heard of a Ford Frontenac

because = Canada

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The Frontenac was the Mercury Falcon based product that was replaced by the Comet in 1961 I think..........and yeah made for the Canadian market.

Cheers Mick

XByoot · 29-01-2018, 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Raptor

Hands up if you've ever heard of a Ford Frontenac

because = Canada

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It looks like that grille would almost fit the rear of our early Falcons and use the centre “spinner” as a fuel filler... it was an interesting look 👀

Olbucko · 29-01-2018, 03:24 PM

Frontenac was a name that only a Canadian could love or appreciate, named after Louis de Buade de Frontenac, an early Govenor General of New France.

commodorenutt · 29-01-2018, 03:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Raptor

Hands up if you've ever heard of a Ford Frontenac

because = Canada

Never knew that. As soon as I read Frontenac I thought of Chevrolet. Why?

Frontenac was a company that started in the 19-teens by Louis Chevrolet & his brothers to allow them to hide their racing developments from GM's Durant (who convinced Louis to join GM, and use his name for a line of cars). Probably the first record of an unofficial skunk-works in Detroit!

The name Frontenac came from an old French governor - paying homage to Chevrolet's ancestry.

One of the company's first developments was an aftermarket 16 valve head for the Ford model T (and most think the Japs or Italians invented multi-valves) that was popular among racers (Chevrolet & his brothers were racers).

He also made speed equipment for other makes & models, including Chevs - Frontenac parts are highly sought after by the vintage Chev guys I knock about with.

Some 40 years on, Ford of Canada revived the Frontenac name.

There's a bit more here:
https://history.gmheritagecenter.com...ouis_Chevrolet

Bossxr8 · 29-01-2018, 04:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Sar4890

When you guys get a chance google 1970 1/2 US ford falcon it looks very similar to a torino . As far as falcons go you would have to go back to the 1960/ xk to find a model that was identical in sedans i believe the others that followed used mercury comet bits and pieces as a 1964 or 65 US falcon looks nothing like an xm/xp then in 1966 they came back to looking somewhat the same as our domestic xr/xt range. In a around about way im thinking our xa would have been put to bed you would think by the time the 1970 1/2 was released.

The Falcon ended up being the poverty pack Torino. Like the Falcon was a poverty pack Fairmont.

Both cars were pretty much the same thing with a different name. It only lasted a few years based on the Torino before it was axed.

Those model Falcons shared nothing with our Falcon. Not like the earlier US Falcons did with ours.