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your comparisons are out the window. Notice that most of Holden's sales leads are in the subcompact cars and SUVs, could that be because of recent discounting to push sales??? The Equinox (new) vs Escape is pretty line ball and i'd be prepared to concede that Equinox sales mix might be richer while escape could have a lower sales mix to level sales.. See how this goes, it's not all about sales numbers in a vacuum, Ford dropped its Ambiente Focus a few years back and started with Trend up over $23K boom, there goes sales but not the kind you really want to have..save for $17,990 Astras.. On and on it goes, the worst of it is Colorado 4x2 and 4x4 are way less costly to purchase that ranger Again Trailblazer versus Everest - try getting a decent Everest for under $60K without giving up stuff... new Escape will be with us in the near future but I realise that until Ford has new product here now, it is really at the mercy of the market but equally, Holden would gladly trade 1600 of its other sales to have 1600 more 4x4 Colorado sales...be under no illusion about that, they would love to be where Ford is. Last edited by jpd80; 19-09-2018 at 09:38 PM. |
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BLUE OVAL INC.
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I doubt it'll get much traction though, most people, apart from bean counters and those looking for any little advantage, just look at the final numbers. You're clearly focussing on who's making the most money, i dont get any of it so i dont care and apart from that the answer would be Toyota with daylight second.... |
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or maybe they do what GM and Ford have been doing for years with price transferring.... Toyota Australia profit: 2016-2017.....$99 million (down $137 Million)....https://www.motoring.com.au/toyota-a...months-107622/ 2016-2017.....$137 million..............................https://www.goauto.com.au/news/toyot...-21/73654.html |
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Gentlemen.
We are now just going around in circles. You have both now had your say and I too, have had my say. Let's back onto the topic of, "Will the Holden Brand Survive?" |
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So what are the chances that ZB Commodore is over the worst and sales may be growing?
I thought Equinox would do better but must say was not that impressed with interior... Will the new Arcadia move the sales needle much for Holden? Last edited by jpd80; 19-09-2018 at 10:25 PM. |
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This car is polarising and will take time to bring people around if ever, having said that, being fully imported now and sold in more markets than the outgoing model did it doesnt need to reach the numbers that VF or its predecessors did to be economically viable. I know alot of people say they hardly see the things and as someone who lives within throwing distance of the Elizabeth plant and obviously Holden country, this is certainly a fair comment, however, numbers locally are growing so the die hards are taking a closer look. I've said from the beginning that 800 per month is where its probably at and its not far off that now which isnt bad for a car which is so radically different from the one its replaced and thats without factoring in the V8's absence. If you consider that of the 2000 odd units a month during the last year of VF production, 70% was V8's (1400 give or take) and ZB doesnt have a V8, the 6 at 700 units has actually held firm. |
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Once the rhetoric of unrequited love dies down, we see buyers reappearing, it's still happening
long after many local supporters thought Mustang would peak and trough as the novelty wore off. It's now becoming clear that people are giving imported Mustang and ZB Commodore more than a go. |
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Peter Car
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In before someone says Kluger is a petrol V6 only. But it's a Toyota and it's the only one in the segment that sells petrols in any decent numbers. The rest are mostly diesel. |
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Interesting points. So of the 700 VF 6, sold each month how many were sold to rental companies? And if rental companies were the biggest buyer of VF 6, s does ZB really only sell to rental car companies? |
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Does it matter, a sales a sale i guess although having said that there must be quite a few people renting cars in my neighborhood lately.
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They’re not most ZB’s are rentals and demos.
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ZB is all fleet / demo, very few high end models either just basic LT / RS.
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ZB is all fleet, goverment and rental. Very few are private and theres a lot of demos that were registered 6 months ago which are still on dealer shelves. God only knows what fleet incentives they are putting them on to get traction, there would be a loss in everyone I would think. As for Equinox it should have been called Captiva. Captiva the dog it was still sold in good numbers.
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Peter Car
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It was utter garbage but it sold well over 3 or 4 times what the Equinox is. Or is it a case of the Holden brand being so toxic now, and not back then? |
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Because the Captiva didn't exactly have a great reputation for reliability, add to that the even worse reputation of the Cruze, and its little wonder people just aren't interested in Holdens.
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Sales to rental car companies would be a fleet discount plus meaning low profit or nil profit per sale. If ZB is mainly selling to rental car companies at no or little profit what is the cars reason to exist? |
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Cool, sounds like you're confident with your analysis so i'll take your word for it.
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I havent seen one on the road in Perth yet. Or maybe I have and thought it was a toyota or mazda. Who knows the AWD V6 is likely a good car. I wont be buying one so I dont care.
Got 3 falcons , 2 commodores , and a territory. So Iam sweet for cars for a while. Would get ZB if was V8, but also like a convertible mustang (once they put the supercharger on).
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If the ZBs are mostly selling to rentals and fleets maybe we will see a load of second hand ones dumped on the market cheap in a year or two. Ten years ago you could get a 2 year old base model Falcon for $20,000. That was good buying. A two year old ZB for $18,000 would be attractive especially if it was a station wagon.
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After many months without spotting a ZB, I have been flooded this month and have seen 3.
Nice enough car but should have just stuck with the Insignia badge. Yeah but nah. |
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Apparently Holden aren’t getting anymore Commodores till next year.
As for Captiva it was still selling well even up to the end. These companies need to learn to not keep switching names, like with Ford on the Kuga Escape.
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The question we should really be asking is...
Does the Holden brand need to survive? Since Holden no longer manufactures any cars and just imports and rebadges, do we still need the local Holden brand? Seems like the Y generation prefer Chevy badges on their Holdens anyway. ![]() At least Ford for now, still makes vehicles and is a global brand. Last edited by GO FURTHER; 25-09-2018 at 09:38 PM. |
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Holden? Take mid sized sedans. Camera, Apollo, Vectra, Epica, Malibu and Insignia have all been marketed over years, meanwhile Toyota stuck with one name and there is no question as to what it is or who makes it.
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Now Fordless
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Captiva has a terrible rep though. It only sells because it's so cheap.
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Ford screwed the Falcon
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That has to hurt. When they did the forecasts for the ZB it would have been much higher than 500/month.
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