EA Brock Thoughts? - Page 2

**Polyal** · 09-05-2007, 04:42 PM

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Originally Posted by myts

I drove a brock ea when they were new it was a very good car for its day.

Money meant we bought a 3.9i single point EA s pack. A car that lacked the reliabilty of a brock lada.

Dont get me wrong I love FoMoCo product it is simply the 3.9 ea was not there finest hour.

But thats just it. Reliability and pace have nothing to do with it.

If someone buys a Brock these days its because it IS a part of history. And its one of a select few e series that will hold and increase in value.

How quick is a GTHO? By todays standards pretty slow I would have thought; and look at the prices of them. For different reasons I know, but the concept is the same.

JAYBA · 09-05-2007, 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Polyal

But thats just it. Reliability and pace have nothing to do with it.

If someone buys a Brock these days its because it IS a part of history. And its one of a select few e series that will hold and increase in value.

How quick is a GTHO? By todays standards pretty slow I would have thought; and look at the prices of them. For different reasons I know, but the concept is the same.

reliability and pace have everything to do with a car...

its a sports model so it should have pace...
its a car it should be reliable enough to get you from a to b, EA's biggest let down, that car is nothing special now and was nothing special then got walked all over by the competition you know who, i wouldnt even put an EA in the same sentence as a gtho or gt which was an E series (ebgt) that held its value 5 times better than an EA brock

ThoR_ · 09-05-2007, 06:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Polyal

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How quick is a GTHO? By todays standards pretty slow I would have thought

Slow my ***. 5.6sec 0-100 is no slow car. Even by todays standards thats one wicked car. XR6T and XR8 do about the same time 0-100. And the GTHO will still match them. Damn impressive for a car from the early 70s

Dezza · 09-05-2007, 06:59 PM

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Originally Posted by myts

I drove a brock ea when they were new it was a very good car for its day.

Money meant we bought a 3.9i single point EA s pack. A car that lacked the reliabilty of a brock lada.

Dont get me wrong I love FoMoCo product it is simply the 3.9 ea was not there finest hour.

The one you got must have been a lemon, because not all 3.9s are bad engines. My 3.9 litre engine is still going strong at 240,000kms. It did one head gasket at 220,000 but that's the only time it's been opened up. Not bad for a 17 year old car.

As for the Brock EA, I reckon they are a great car. With the subtle bodykit, nicer rims, and the performance updates, I'd definately choose one over an S-pack. You'd also have the bonus of driving a rarer car, rather than just another EA S-pack.

TZAKHAMMER · 09-05-2007, 09:16 PM

gotta agree with you there mate, mines done just over 250k, original motor still purrs along and is one of the best cars to drive on a long cruise.

JAYBA · 09-05-2007, 04:51 PM

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Originally Posted by MADNC_8

rather inteligent post there! jayba....
all i can say is....ever driven one?...... i have and it was a suprise thats for sure....

was a fully optioned brock ghia, sounded good, went well enough, handling was nice... and the brock kit is one of the nicest kits for the ea-ed's out there - no outrageous wings or vents, just a nice classy kit and lip spoiler

dont knock em without driving them....just cos you read something in a magazine doesnt make it gospel!

this is a poll is it not? based on opinions i didnt bag your opinion on the car
havent driven one nor would i bother have sat in one when a friend considered buying one from a dealer he drove it all he had to say was...meh

just cos i read something in a reputable magazine doesnt make it gospel, your right, and just cos i read what you think of them in a post doesnt make it gospel either!

i do know the most of the specs of the vehicle and i do know that they are an EA! ive owned an EA S 3.9...pfft worst car ive had nuff said, and they are not an investment they have done nothing but devalue
since they were bought out same as any other soft sports sedan

It was that greater car and that much of a success that brock jumped straight back to HDT as soon as he had the chance

**Polyal** · 09-05-2007, 05:01 PM

Jayba, there are PLENTY of cars that are slow, unreliable etc and they are worth 100's of thousands. These are not prerequisites for something to increase in value.

JAYBA · 09-05-2007, 05:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Polyal

Jayba, there are PLENTY of cars that are slow, unreliable etc and they are worth 100's of thousands. These are not prerequisites for something to increase in value.

yeh...there are cars that are unreliable, slow and have a rep for being one of the worst falcons made which is why they are worth no more than a mere few thousand. fact. the one i saw in a dealership was in reasonable condition
and $3990..well what a fortune! the few hundred they may increase a year
as an "investment" would bearly cover rego and running costs even if you dont drive the thing

**Polyal** · 09-05-2007, 05:09 PM

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Originally Posted by JAYBA

yeh...there are cars that are unreliable, slow and have a rep for being one of the worst falcons made which is why they are worth no more than a mere few thousand. fact. the one i saw in a dealership was in reasonable condition
and $3990..well what a fortune! the few hundred they may increase a year
as an "investment" would bearly cover rego and running costs even if you dont drive the thing

Think long term, which would be greater than atleast 5-10 years. Things dont pick up over night.

And a fair chunk of people couldn't give a rats about how quick or slow they are; its not the point.

JAYBA · 09-05-2007, 05:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Polyal

Think long term, which would be greater than atleast 5-10 years. Things dont pick up over night.

And a fair chunk of people couldn't give a rats about how quick or slow they are; its not the point.

its been nearly 20 years....

**Polyal** · 09-05-2007, 05:17 PM

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Originally Posted by JAYBA

its been nearly 20 years....

And only a few months after brock pasted away, thats the key here. Seems that we are getting no where, but I would put money on it that they will be worth something one day.

Brock071 · 09-05-2007, 05:22 PM

OK guys, you've got me, I own a Brock Fairmont Ghia build number 071 of only 126 Falcon S and Fairmont Ghias ever built!

Brock also did Fairlanes and Mavericks along with a sprinkling of what he called Brock SEs (8 I believe) and a fewe Telstars and then a few more EP series Falcons (Executive Performance). These EP ones were to my knowledge not as good as the original 126 Brock Falcons/Fairmonts!

Go to the dedicated website that I have set up with as much information as I can find at www.geocities.com/brock_fords and you will find out a lot more about these rare Brock vehicles.

As for me, well they go like hell, handle better than many more recent models and in my opinion are better are very worthy vehicles even if now 17 years old!

These cars are much much more than simply an EA Falcon as many mods were done to increase their output to 164kWs and many mods were also done to the suspension, aside from the nice body kit and the many interior changes also!

Snap them up now while you still can afford them!!!!!

Terry

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EA2BA · 09-05-2007, 09:21 PM

Put it simply, some cars got badges and a few mods, others got the whole works done to them, if it doesnt have a badge/plate under the bonnet with a build number and twin cats coming off the extractors then it aint a fully worked brock and not really worth getting. Oh and if it doesnt have the original wheels then also forget as finding them is like hens teeth these days.

mad cow · 09-05-2007, 09:52 PM

I AGREE ON THE WHEELS FOR THE BROCK EA. as they are not a replaceable item so only pay top dollar for one with the correct wheels, i missed buying one (s pac version) only a few weeks b4 brock died for $2500 and still regret being 10 mins too late on the phone (had to convince the wife first) as i regard these to be an excellent long term investment. To all the people who dont agree that they are worth keeping hold of just dont buy one, but dont complain when a car u could have bought 4 a few $$$$ turns out 2 be worth a lot more in the future. Opportunities like these dont happen everyday for the average punter these days so if you have the guts to chance it what have u got to lose.

just my 4 cents worth so u can round that up thanks.

[Tonko] · 09-05-2007, 11:28 PM

Theres a dark blue EA brock Ghia here in shepp, it still has the original wheels, but has been kicked, scratched, dinted, driven through the bush and the like (point is, it looks shitty) Damn shame really.... I like them... And i believe the price will skyrocket for them, they are an exception to the "EA Stigma"

In reference to whoever said 3.9's were crap, My first car was an EA 'mont, and it survived a hell of a lot of hard kays and was on its second HG after 260,000k's...

Phil · 09-05-2007, 11:52 PM

Years ago I owned Peter Brock Special #31, dark blue in colour. It was based on "S" pack, 5 speed 3.9. Went really well, no quater mile bandit, had real tall gearing and was right at home on the open road, would easily cruise at the end of the speedo without any problems. Had bilstein suspension, twin system, extractors, good interior, racing seats. It was a great car, paobally would have kept it if it has 2 more cylinders....love my V8's. Cost me $25,000 when I bought it

: I got Brocky to sign the sun visor on the drivers side. I think they are a good car and probally go up in value just from his name, although many people dont know what they are, "Brock falcon, your full of S@#T !"

WASP · 10-05-2007, 02:59 PM

Mmm, there's lots of passion in here. Quite simply if you like EA Falcons, the Brock version or a Faimont Ghia is probably the picks of the bunch.

GK351 · 10-05-2007, 09:21 PM

Never liked the look of them, espeacially the wheels.

mad cow · 10-05-2007, 11:18 PM

hey tonkoxr8 that one in shepp was most probably the one i wanted to buy as it was a dark blue one and was in shepp and the guy on the phone told me the paint & panel was a little rough. this car was once owned by my brother in law (he was the second owner) and was immaculate when he had it. he really regrets letting it go now.

pHaT`eL · 11-05-2007, 01:10 AM

If i had the money I'd buy one for sure. Probably got Ford thinking and they created the XR's the next model.
I put the Brock B8 in the same category as AIT's, AVO's, SVO's, AJR's, TSS's, Sprints and GT's as the most desirable E-Series

**Polyal** · 11-05-2007, 08:30 AM

Isn't it weird that the EA, the "worst falcon ever" (wtf, surely its the XF) had so many genuine aftermarket specials. I cant think any other model that had so many; perhaps lack of V8 made this so but its interesting.

JAYBA · 11-05-2007, 01:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Polyal

Isn't it weird that the EA, the "worst falcon ever" (wtf, surely its the XF) had so many genuine aftermarket specials. I cant think any other model that had so many; perhaps lack of V8 made this so but its interesting.

considering the xf was car of the year and outsold its competition when first released and was 10 times more reliable than an EA also warranting them to keep the xf platform for its comercial vehicles for many years to come i doubt it, EA is still counted as fords biggest lemon to date

apolloxbgt · 11-05-2007, 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by JAYBA

also warranting them to keep the xf platform for its comercial vehicles for many years to come i doubt it,

you don't beleive that do you?

They kept selling the xf (complete with carby, rear drums and 3 on the tree)
due to not having any compation in the segment,not becuase of how "relaible" they were.

ThoR_ · 11-05-2007, 03:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Polyal

Isn't it weird that the EA, the "worst falcon ever" (wtf, surely its the XF) had so many genuine aftermarket specials. I cant think any other model that had so many; perhaps lack of V8 made this so but its interesting.

I dont rekon. A good cond XF done up is a nice car. They look alot better than EA`s and there more reliable. IMO

naughtyfalcon · 01-04-2008, 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by ThoR_

I dont rekon. A good cond XF done up is a nice car. They look alot better than EA`s and there more reliable. IMO

didn't want to bring up such an old thread but had to,

haveing owned both an xf and an ea i have to say the ea is far better than the xf ever was.

the xf was a petrol guzzler and unreliable tosay the
least.

the ignition system wasn't the best and the carby was a pain in the ***.

changed it from a 3 speed auto to a 4 speed manual and it went from bad to worse.

the ea has only let us down 3 times,,twice in the one day because of the distributor,not uncommon on other e series and once because i stuffed up.

we only replaced the 3.9 with a 4 because we got the 4 litre off a member here for a real good price,we put an el transmission in it because it was $450 and $250 to have it fitted at a workshop of our choice.

you need to remmeber that the ea was a landmark design and was rushed into sale before all testing was done and bugs fixed.

there are lemons in all classes and series of any motor vehicle produced,just need to read all the problems people are haveing with there ba's and terries.

and to say that the problems are restricted to the ea's is very narrow minded to say the least.

if it wasn't for the ground breaking design there would be no eb,ed,ef,el's.

and unlike some other fords once the problem was fixed in an ea it usually never recoured,ie warping brakes.

just the opinion of someone who has owned both an xf and still ownes an ea.

apolloxbgt · 11-05-2007, 01:24 PM

Not that I'm specificly an ea lover,nor do I own one,but.

It seems to fine to come on here and bag the crap out of ea's as being unreliable,but mention an au being ugly (not that it's my opinion,I like them),and you'll get half the forum jumping up and down.I would say the au was of a more failure than the ea,it certainly hurt ford more financialy.

It seems to be a double standard.

JAYBA · 11-05-2007, 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by apolloxbgt

Not that I'm specificly an ea lover,nor do I own one,but.

It seems to fine to come on here and bag the crap out of ea's as being unreliable,but mention an au being ugly (not that it's my opinion,I like them),and you'll get half the forum jumping up and down.I would say the au was more failure than the ea,it certainly hurt ford more financialy.

It seems to be a double standard.

a car being ugly can be a matter of opinion, the au wasnt that bad a car as far as doing its job, a car being unreliable
and poorly put together is a fact from a majority's experience with the EA

each car has its faults but the EA had many..
Blowing head gaskets/overheating
front suspension
automatic transmissions made of glass
bumpers that couldnt stay on longer than a year
to name a few...

Im a big fan of fords and hate to see a model that tarnishes the brand
but to tell me the EA ws a good car is laughable

apolloxbgt · 11-05-2007, 02:19 PM

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Originally Posted by JAYBA

Im a big fan of fords and hate to see a model that tarnishes the brand
but to tell me the EA ws a good car is laughable

This is the same attitude I used to get off all the ford "fans" when I first started playing with xa/b/c's,even when I bought the first gt.

Where are these guys now?Wishing they could afford one.

Thats where the ea brocks are heading IMHO,mabey not for a few years,but I think it's going to happen.

irsa76 · 12-05-2007, 04:58 PM

Brock saw the EA as a chance to do something more european in flavour compared to his previous race special Commodores. The fact it was the EA rather then the VN was simply a case of his situation at the time, remember at the time Ford was looking into a factory enhancement outfit like HSV and Brock was just one of a number of interested parties. From all accounts they were ahead of their time in that they combined euro style and handling in an Australian car. This and Brock's Holden history probably had more to do with their low sales then anything else.

Serial_Fool · 29-03-2008, 11:41 PM

Has anyone got any factory specs for the EA Brocks?

And @ all the people dissing EAs. We all know the EA was the very first of a new generation of Falcons and thats why so many teething troubles happened. It also happened with the VN Commodore but was less know about.

EA Spack T5s with the LSD were pretty fast for the time and were pretty much the only Ford that was "performance" option. High 15's for the 1/4 mile.
The EA had the same auto/manual gearbox as the XF Series 2 so I dont know where you are getting off saying they were made of glass and the Series 2 bought about the 4spd BTR that was used untill 2002.

Plus the Fairmont Ghia was optioned with the 5 Speed manual- I think it was the last model to do so.

All of the problems mentioned were easily fixed by Ford and the EAs running around today are just as reliable as the latter Eb2s/Eds.

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