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Old 27-04-2011, 01:04 AM   #31
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The time is approaching where freight costs will be come excessive. Manufacturing industries will then need to start looking at local production rather than imports.
I hope this happens, could it mark a return to a compelling argument for Australian manufacture/ assembly?
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Old 27-04-2011, 09:15 AM   #32
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At current rates how long before all cheap dodgy goods are made in africa and once africa is up and running what place is next?
Ireland. Portugal, Greece, Spain. The United Kingdom. Then the US.

Basically those countries about to undergo debt-implosion, IMF bailout and debt-slavery.

Just a little bit off topic, Australia had a 9% public debt to GDP in 2007, now it's up to 23%. (Source: US Debt clock) A country really has to get to > 80% before it becomes an issue of "no way back". So we are OK for now. USDebt is 14 trillion, near the 'ceiling' and USD is plummeting when measured against key commodities and other currencies: you are watching the quick and brutal reduction in their standard of living. After the fall, when conditions become more suitable to do business there (low tax, less regulation), they will manufacture once more.
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Old 27-04-2011, 10:24 AM   #33
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The time is approaching where freight costs will be come excessive. Manufacturing industries will then need to start looking at local production rather than imports.

BHP are considering tranporting dirt from olympic dam to have it refined in china, australia exports the LNG and coal to other countries so they are able to produce electricity to refine iron ore that is shipped there from australia. Its going to be a very very very long time before the benefits of short shipping routes, outweigh the benefits of mass production.

In fact i can guarantee, that any car plant (beside a dock), in South Korea, Thailand or Japan, is able to land 4000 cars within 50 kilometres of 80% of australias population, much cheaper than the local producers can.

4000 Mazda 3's from Thailand to Brisbane (not likely, as load would be spread down the coast), at $30000 a day ship hire for 20 days (10 days each way), would cost $600,000 = only $150 a car.

4000 cruzes from Adelaide to Brisbane requires 500 car carriers at 4 days (2 days each way). 500 x $4000 (minimum) is $2 million = $500 a car.
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Old 27-04-2011, 09:10 PM   #34
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4000 Mazda 3's from Thailand to Brisbane (not likely, as load would be spread down the coast), at $30000 a day ship hire for 20 days (10 days each way), would cost $600,000 = only $150 a car.

4000 cruzes from Adelaide to Brisbane requires 500 car carriers at 4 days (2 days each way). 500 x $4000 (minimum) is $2 million = $500 a car.

Yeah don't worry about the storage and transport costs for the Mazda 3's, the ships will deliver them directly to the dealerships.
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Old 27-04-2011, 10:27 PM   #35
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BHP are considering tranporting dirt from olympic dam to have it refined in china, australia exports the LNG and coal to other countries so they are able to produce electricity to refine iron ore that is shipped there from australia. Its going to be a very very very long time before the benefits of short shipping routes, outweigh the benefits of mass production.

In fact i can guarantee, that any car plant (beside a dock), in South Korea, Thailand or Japan, is able to land 4000 cars within 50 kilometres of 80% of australias population, much cheaper than the local producers can.

4000 Mazda 3's from Thailand to Brisbane (not likely, as load would be spread down the coast), at $30000 a day ship hire for 20 days (10 days each way), would cost $600,000 = only $150 a car.

4000 cruzes from Adelaide to Brisbane requires 500 car carriers at 4 days (2 days each way). 500 x $4000 (minimum) is $2 million = $500 a car.

$30,000 a day for a cargo ship??? their fuel bill alone is roughly $US120,000 a day! Estimated to rise dramatically over the coming years.

It will become a lot more expensive too as Carbon taxes and the like start getting applied to shipping. For example some cargo ships in emissions are the equivalent of 50 million cars a year!
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Old 27-04-2011, 10:35 PM   #36
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WHO ??? .

In all seriousness, I drive a landcruiser, jap built I know........ and every day when I drive past the car yard I wonder why I dont get a korean built jobbie that uses half the fuel, runs better, is comfier, easier to park blah blah.... I tell ya one day soon some korean/chinese etc, built yakazumihinco unit will tear my hands off the wheel of my truck and I will buy one......... god shoot me now.
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