Victoria’s electric vehicle tax thrown out by High Court

[PooDog]

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

I've got a heavy rigid truck with 24 tonne GVM - rego was only $2000, and I'm eligible for fuel tax credits on diesel.

Rego on my Fiesta ST is $742

Car is ridiculously expensive in comparison to the truck

Geez finally found something cheaper over here lol

It's only a hundy to register my v8 Fairmont Ghia

[Trevor 57]

Originally Posted by Itsme

A great win for the people of Victoria, current Government is a pack of greedy p***** hell bent on introducing new taxes to pay for their mismanagement of our economy.

so are you not going to use the new road network when completed, or are you going to avoid the rail crossing improvements, are you not going to attend one of the new hospitals or are you not going to send your kids to one of the many new schools.

Your argumet is irrelevant, you want these services but don't want to pay for them

[Charliewool]

Dan’s retired Trev… No need to bat for him anymore

[Trevor 57]

Originally Posted by Charliewool

Dan’s retired Trev… No need to bat for him anymore

I live in a regional Victorian city, we have a new multi-storey hospital wing, a new secondary school. Our railway line is being upgraded as we speak to 2 lines for more frequent newer trains, PLUS I can go to Melbourne and back on the train for $9

This is a blue riibon L/NP seat that had an Independent for 2 terms, now gone back to Nats. His Government has delivered for us

[Charliewool]

Originally Posted by Trevor 57

I live in a regional Victorian city, we have a new multi-storey hospital wing, a new secondary school. Our railway line is being upgraded as we speak to 2 lines for more frequent newer trains, PLUS I can go to Melbourne and back on the train for $9

This is a blue riibon L/NP seat that had an Independent for 2 terms, now gone back to Nats. His Government has delivered for us

Rural eh? Don’t forget all the small businesses that are now stuffed after spending up big on improvements and renovations in anticipation of much lauded Comm games?..
Ahh who cares? Just rip up another billion dollars!

[kypez]

Originally Posted by Charliewool

Rural eh? Don’t forget all the small businesses that are now stuffed after spending up big on improvements and renovations in anticipation of much lauded Comm games?..

Ahh who cares? Just rip up another billion dollars!

But the EV tax is what would've made the difference in that spend

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by PooDog

Geez finally found something cheaper over here lol

It's only a hundy to register my v8 Fairmont Ghia

That's wild, why is registration so cheap in NZ? NSW and QLD get bent over here, NSW needs some yearly roadworthy and some extra CTP crap, and QLD has ridiculously expensive rego which goes up on cylinder count.

I'm on Melbourne's rural fringe and we got no train, no hospital, if you need an ambulance then it's an hour plus wait and our roads are halal but that's what you get for being a safe seat for a major party, all the dollars seem to miss us

Hold up, we actually got a roundabout but it took 2.5 election cycles from election promise, to $250,000 study about the roundabout, to finally putting in the roundabout.

I've been here for 29 years and in that time we've increased population by 300% and got two pedestrian crossings, a roundabout and the world's lamest skate park (but that was 20 years ago now).

[Trevor 57]

Originally Posted by PooDog

Geez finally found something cheaper over here lol

It's only a hundy to register my v8 Fairmont Ghia

Tell these people on here about road user tax, diesel and keeping logbooks for diesel powered vehicles

[Trevor 57]

Originally Posted by Charliewool

Rural eh? Don’t forget all the small businesses that are now stuffed after spending up big on improvements and renovations in anticipation of much lauded Comm games?..
Ahh who cares? Just rip up another billion dollars!

Victoria should never have signed on for the lame duck called Commonwealth Games. Great decision to flick them

[foxtrot3]

Originally Posted by Wretched

No, EV users are not getting a free ride, they pay rego which is "supposedly" paying for the actual suburban roads.

Hi. The rego pays to keep the state roads authorities open so that they can "build and maintain" roads. To actually build the roads the state roads authorities have to apply for money from state and federal government finance departments. Cheers MD

[PooDog]

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

That's wild, why is registration so cheap in NZ? NSW and QLD get bent over here, NSW needs some yearly roadworthy and some extra CTP crap, and QLD has ridiculously expensive rego which goes up on cylinder count.

I'm on Melbourne's rural fringe and we got no train, no hospital, if you need an ambulance then it's an hour plus wait and our roads are halal but that's what you get for being a safe seat for a major party, all the dollars seem to miss us

Hold up, we actually got a roundabout but it took 2.5 election cycles from election promise, to $250,000 study about the roundabout, to finally putting in the roundabout.

I've been here for 29 years and in that time we've increased population by 300% and got two pedestrian crossings, a roundabout and the world's lamest skate park (but that was 20 years ago now).

Our rego was twice the price it used to be $500 for a diesel ute it was supposed to be to cover ACC accident compensation Corp,....reason it got cheaper I think was they started investing ACC,s huge pool of $ in the share market or kiwisaver ? But we don't have compulsory 3rd party insurance I think you guys do don't you ? I think that's a good idea

My city Tauranga is the most traffic conjested in the country ,we also have the largest export port in the country so it works real well ,we have the most toll roads in the country one of them you pay $5 in a truck and it can take 30-40 min to get 500m ....crazy , they started building two flyover at the Mount 4 years ago single lane each way still not finished grid lock all day every day

There's a big hooha in Auckland at the moment because a big sink hole appeared and a sewer line ruptured been like it for weeks it's pouring millions of litres of raw sewage into the harbour every day ....the pipe was put there in around 1910 -14

[PooDog]

Originally Posted by Trevor 57

Tell these people on here about road user tax, diesel and keeping logbooks for diesel powered vehicles

The most regulated industry in the country....they wonder why there's no drivers left ,we have electronic log books now makes it even more fun

The average age of a truck driver 3 years ago was 57 ...in another 5 years there will be none left ...
.but I spose they'll just get more from India

[Itsme]

Originally Posted by Trevor 57

so are you not going to use the new road network when completed, or are you going to avoid the rail crossing improvements, are you not going to attend one of the new hospitals or are you not going to send your kids to one of the many new schools.

Your argumet is irrelevant, you want these services but don't want to pay for them

Trev, don't know what you smoking, but it is "fact the government has massive budget blow outs to pay", money that could have been better managed, that is what my comment was about and nothing else, have a good day.

[Trevor 57]

Originally Posted by Itsme

Trev, don't know what you smoking, but it is "fact the government has massive budget blow outs to pay", money that could have been better managed, that is what my comment was about and nothing else, have a good day.

Don't smoke anything, was there any need for that comment?

[kypez]

Originally Posted by Trevor 57

so are you not going to use the new road network when completed, or are you going to avoid the rail crossing improvements, are you not going to attend one of the new hospitals or are you not going to send your kids to one of the many new schools.



Your argumet is irrelevant, you want these services but don't want to pay for them

Caveat: I don't live in Victoria.

The roads I use mostly are toll roads (I don't pay for fuel, so happy to pay tolls)
I only use private hospitals
Kids will go to private schools

Given you'd like a user pays setup, should I not pay less tax given I don't use these govt facilities? Or do I have to pay it for those who aren't doing the right thing.

[Itsme]

Originally Posted by Trevor 57

Don't smoke anything, was there any need for that comment?

Probably not, but there was no need for your comment and it is you who is being argumentative and a smartass.

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by kypez

Caveat: I don't live in Victoria.

The roads I use mostly are toll roads (I don't pay for fuel, so happy to pay tolls)
I only use private hospitals
Kids will go to private schools

Given you'd like a user pays setup, should I not pay less tax given I don't use these govt facilities? Or do I have to pay it for those who aren't doing the right thing.

They don't call us 'the lucky country' for nothing, however 95% of people misinterpret the intended meaning of the term 'the lucky country'.

The Lucky Country is a 1964 book by Donald Horne. The title has become a nickname for Australia and is generally used favourably, although the origin of the phrase was negative in the context of the book. Among other things, it has been used in reference to Australia's natural resources, weather, history, its early dependency of the British system, distance from problems elsewhere in the world, and other sorts of supposed prosperity.

The title of Horne's book comes from the opening words of the book's last chapter:

Australia is a lucky country run mainly by second rate people who share its luck. It lives on other people's ideas, and, although its ordinary people are adaptable, most of its leaders (in all fields) so lack curiosity about the events that surround them that they are often taken by surprise.

Horne's statement was an indictment of 1960s Australia. His intent was to comment that, while other industrialised nations created wealth using clever means such as technology and other innovations, Australia did not. Rather, Australia's economic prosperity was largely derived from its rich natural resources and immigration. Horne observed that Australia "showed less enterprise than almost any other prosperous industrial society.

I see that in the preceding 60 years since that book was published, not much has changed

[kypez]

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

They don't call us 'the lucky country' for nothing, however 95% of people misinterpret the intended meaning of the term 'the lucky country'.







I see that in the preceding 60 years since that book was published, not much has changed

I can't remember the European economist who said it, and I paraphrase, Australia is a first world country with a third world economy. Digging up resources and selling them is a mugs game.

And taxing those that are doing well or working harder isn't a great solution either.

(I'm happy to pay my share to help those less fortunate than me. Just leave my EV free from some fake tax. I already pay more than my fair share!)

[Trevor 57]

Originally Posted by kypez

Caveat: I don't live in Victoria.

The roads I use mostly are toll roads (I don't pay for fuel, so happy to pay tolls)
I only use private hospitals
Kids will go to private schools

Given you'd like a user pays setup, should I not pay less tax given I don't use these govt facilities? Or do I have to pay it for those who aren't doing the right thing.

I have been to other States, you use minor roads more than toll roads, don't be fictious. User pays, it is how the system works. And if you have an emergency you won't be going to a private hospital

[Trevor 57]

Originally Posted by kypez

I already pay more than my fair share!)

and so does nearly every other tax payer in Australia, including subsidising your road use

[roKWiz]

Originally Posted by kypez

Australia is a first world country with a third world economy. Digging up resources and selling them is a mugs game.

Just leave my EV free from some fake tax. I already pay more than my fair share!)

It is a mugs game alright, now that we are on the brink to dig up more to supply resources to build EV's or is this fake new as well.

Maybe all new vehicles could be sold with a itemised resources tax included.

[b0son]

Originally Posted by kypez

The roads I use mostly are toll roads (I don't pay for fuel, so happy to pay tolls)
I only use private hospitals
Kids will go to private schools

Is your house on a toll road? Is your car craned onto the toll road from your driveway?

Guess where you get sent when your private hospital operation has complications? And when's the last time you went private in an emergency? Not to mention that not a single doctor you will ever use was trained in the private system.

Private schools also receive a lot of federal funding.

Reality is, you're using a lot of publicly funded infrastructure, whether it is publicly owned or not. It is only a quirk that sees EVs avoid road usage charges. You can bet had the government of the day known that ICE cars would one day be replaced by EVs, they'd have found a way to tax km's travelled by some means other than fuel use.

[kypez]

Originally Posted by b0son

Is your house on a toll road? Is your car craned onto the toll road from your driveway?



Guess where you get sent when your private hospital operation has complications? And when's the last time you went private in an emergency? Not to mention that not a single doctor you will ever use was trained in the private system.



Private schools also receive a lot of federal funding.



Reality is, you're using a lot of publicly funded infrastructure, whether it is publicly owned or not. It is only a quirk that sees EVs avoid road usage charges. You can bet had the government of the day known that ICE cars would one day be replaced by EVs, they'd have found a way to tax km's travelled by some means other than fuel use.

Yes. My most common trips from my house are all toll roads (joys of living in Sydney). My point was more that old mate in the country getting a railway crossing upgrade has little effect on my driving.

Actually, the hospital that I go to is Private with emergency. And no, they don't send us to a public hospital after either. I've had a few procedures and surgeries over the years, all in Private hospitals without ever going to a public hospital.

Yes, private schools do get funding.

Point I was leaning to was user pay. The Victorian setup was that they paid for kms travelled even in other states. The system was bad and unfair that Victoria collected money for kms driven in NSW for example.

The only fair way would be a federal tax.

And EV owners can't be blamed for shortsighted govt policy.

Where do you stop? LPG generates less excise and was free of excise for decades. EVs have no excise and everyone loses their mind. No one was protesting LPG

[kypez]

Originally Posted by roKWiz

It is a mugs game alright, now that we are on the brink to dig up more to supply resources to build EV's or is this fake new as well.



Maybe all new vehicles could be sold with a itemised resources tax included.

Think you missed the point. We shouldn't just dig it up and send it overseas. We should be designing and building here. We should be innovating here and using those resources to support local industry and design.

[kypez]

Originally Posted by Trevor 57

I have been to other States, you use minor roads more than toll roads, don't be fictious. User pays, it is how the system works. And if you have an emergency you won't be going to a private hospital

My local Private Hospital has an emergency. I've never gone to a public hospital. Even during COVID, the ambulance took me there.

And yes, obviously I was being facetious (I'm guessing that's what you meant and not "fictious" which isn't a word).

[kypez]

Originally Posted by Trevor 57

and so does nearly every other tax payer in Australia, including subsidising your road use

Not really. As mentioned, dual cab utes don't pay LCT (and GST on the LCT) and get generous tax breaks.

LPG has less excise and was free of excise for decades. E85 pays excise on 15% of the fuel.

[roKWiz]

Originally Posted by kypez

Think you missed the point. We shouldn't just dig it up and send it overseas.

There was a point ?

[kypez]

Originally Posted by roKWiz

There was a point ?

Between Franco and I...

Maybe reading his post gives more context to mine? Maybe not. It did to me

[Vekgib]

Originally Posted by kypez

Caveat: I don't live in Victoria.

The roads I use mostly are toll roads (I don't pay for fuel, so happy to pay tolls)
I only use private hospitals
Kids will go to private schools

Given you'd like a user pays setup, should I not pay less tax given I don't use these govt facilities? Or do I have to pay it for those who aren't doing the right thing.

Geez even by your ( lofty ) standards, this is one of your best "How wonderful am I ? You should all be like me" posts

[kypez]

Originally Posted by Vekgib

Geez even by your ( lofty ) standards, this is one of your best "How wonderful am I ? You should all be like me" posts

It was actually me suggesting that those that ride in on their high horse proclaiming that EVs need to pay their fair share whilst most of society doesn't anyway.

LPG/E85 didn't get this much attention but EVs have.

Think you missed the point... Again.