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I don't know about that but yeah your right.
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Having said that, as much as I despise what they did, and I do a lot. You have to remember that in the early to mid 30's AH was rebuilding Germany to its former industrial might and many corporations got on board with the intent of furthering their own business interests. They did not have the benefit of hindsight we have.
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Mao Zedong (China) > 75,000,000 Stalin (USSR) > 12,000,000 Leopold II (Belgium) > 8,000,000 Tojo (Japan) > 7,000,000 Then Hitler But if you are all upset about mass murderers particularly more recent ones look up which country's government supported Pol Pot and his Kymer Rouge during the mass murder of 1,700,000 Cambodians in the 1970s. Here is a clue "It's time & where are my pants". |
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I don't really know allot about the others and forgot about Stalin as far as scale I was more referring to the method, not sure about the rest but didn't Stalin use bungled farming as an opportunity to starve millions where as Hitler specifically built huge networks of factorys for the the sole purpose of killing.
Anyway I'd rather not talk about it anymore tonight.
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Oh.. politics is allowed on here... well i never...
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Its not really political discussion in that it does not discuss political issues of today, more historical really.
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thought I'd get in (again) before it is locked!
as many have stated, Henry supported an idea, which seemed to be moving a country in the right direction. It doesn't make him a jew hater, etc. The German nation had a lot of recovery to do after WW1. Flappist, although being very broad in his direction that "we all" need to do some research, hits the nail on the head, by saying perhaps NAZI Germany wasn't/isn't the only country with a blot in the past. My reading also takes me to the Evian conference, prior to WW2, where a few countries made their own positions clear. But I don't see the relevance to the topic of where Henry decided to spend his own money. |
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Before it became known as the Nazi Party, it was officially the National Socialist German Workers' Party.
That in German is Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei which became abbreviated as NAZI. I just double checked that on Wiki. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_Party I guess I can see why Henry might want to invest or take interest in a worker's party. Hindsight of course for us all is one heck of a task master. GK
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There was no "party" in it at all. It was just an oblique clue as to which country was involved.
As gecko pointed out it is history and no real impact on current issues although is very relevant to those who think that the world is black and white. Have a look at all the world leaders around the time of Hitler and see who was the alcoholic misogynist, who murdered their own military officers and who was involved in the opium trade. History is always written by the victors....... |
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i don't see a problem with your post - as has been pointed out it has no real relevance to current issues, and on top of that, it seemed that you were not supporting/putting down one party or the other
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for what it's worth, old man kennedy was not only involved in the bootlegging business during prohibition but was a financial supporter of hitler as well.
interestingly enough, here in the states nazis would come over here to drum up support for their efforts even to the extent of public demonstrations and knocking on the doors of known americans of german descent. these personal visits to a families home was meant to not only recruit but to intimidate these sons of the fatherland to leave their families to go support the nazi cause. my grandfather on my mothers side had to put up with several of these visits. once they became blatantly intimidating, my grandfather had to break some arms. literally. "they", the "legally" permitted nazis from the fatherland never returned after that. keep in mind this was in the mid to late 30s at this point. |
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mb5MjWZ7kxk&noredirect=1 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horst-Wessel-Lied
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What did Stalin do to kill 12,000,000 people? We didn't cover that in history at school, just focused on the Germans in WWII.
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Oh don't you worry, old Henry's anti-Semitic leanings are well documented...and existed long before becoming mate's with AH...
May i suggest looking up "The Dearborn Independent" and "The International Jew" for starters...
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Just to throw a spanner in the argument it would appear that GM were a lot more involved than good ol' Henry Ford
![]() http://www.jewishjournal.com/article...e_third_reichs On a lighter note I came across the name of one of the original founders of GM, William C Durant, wait till you see what the "C" stands for, now that explains a lot about the vehicles ![]() http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_C._Durant Last edited by Russ; 07-01-2013 at 10:46 AM. |
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Is that directed at me?
I would guess it's because of World War 2, that is why it is more well known then the others.
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why ww1 happened
was to stop germany from having a oil line to arabia. http://www.engdahl.oilgeopolitics.ne...of_world_w.HTM Lawrence of arabia days and england gave birth to the talliban. Last edited by Sprint; 07-01-2013 at 11:55 AM. |
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History tends to always be biased by the victors who vilify the enemy and gloss over any attrocities or debarcles in which they were involved. WW2 was actually one of the shortest and cleanest engagements in the last 100 years........ Quote:
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flappist's post in question to me was harmless enough. along with the main reason given, it seemed to me that flappist was referencing 2 consecutive australian prime ministers from different parties. it wasn't highlighting the parties as such or even the prime minister's in question, it was more highlighting the actual time that australia had moments in history that might be considered less than pure |
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Exactly my point.
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...... and there is a difference discussing history vs someones personal political views with an attached agenda. While some points are very boarder line .... Mods discretion always plays a part on where threads go but if someone is offended or thinks otherwise there is always the report button rather than sending a thread Off Topic. That's all for now on this particular topic thanks.
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Forced repatriation of Russian citizens who had fled the country - or who were taken prisoner during the war. They were then sent to gulags (ie forced labour camps) in Siberia & basically starved/froze to death. Oh & he also sent all family members as well & particularly focused on removing teachers/doctors/lawyers (ie anyone with an education who would question/argue against the party principles).
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Don't you think Hitlers low score (when did this become a competition ffs) may have had something to do with his suicide and the defeat of Germany, if he had had his way (Lebensraum Policy) most have no doubt he would have been on the top step of the podium...... And I agree with flappist, some people do need to get history lessons, preferably without the blinkers on.... Quote:
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I bought the car for various reasons and it means alot to me the reason , so id be instant boiling hot ,if someone mentioned absolute dribble like that |
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Many people sympathised with the Nazi's in 1920's/1930's.
Why, because of the threat posed by that curse on humanity aka Communism. Lets be fair and call Communist/Socialism/Anarchism for what it really is, the worse form of slavery ever devised by man to inflict upon his fellow man. Rewind back to the 1920's/1930's, communism was a real a danger to the industrial world, religious freedom and democracy. Here is what Ford motor corporation experienced in 1932, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_Hunger_March As I recall Adolf hated commies and anyone that hated commies was a friend. It was once Adolf invaded Czechoslovakia and Poland that he became a baddie. As I recall, Saddam was a goodie whilst he fought the Mullahs in Iran and then when he invaded Kuwait he became a baddie. Pol Pot was once a goodie and then became a baddie, Osama was a goodie and then became a baddie...funny how history repeats itself. |
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They like their marching these Germans during cultural events (schutezenfest etc), play nice and loud @ 3:36
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U8yUjOjghco NB - The recent Russia vs Georgia conflict was oil pipeline route related. Funny old geo-political world in which we live. Cheers. Last edited by Keepleft; 07-01-2013 at 01:35 PM. |
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