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That's got nothing to do with how much power the F6 makes, FPV have stated very clearly there wont be any further development of the i6T. FPV will concentrate on the GT now because it simply sells better.. |
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I know this will rub some people up the wrong way and unleash a plethora of "hate" but we just got $40 mill spent on us... the development bickie jar is all but empty until FPV see some significant ROI... Anyone expecting more than some minor cosmetic tweaks and a bit of extra tech in FG2 FPV will be dissapointed.
If history is any guide id say the current engine outputs will have to do till FH. |
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![]() I'd say the FPV's will get the FG2 upgrades flowing through from the outset as a "running upgrade" for the FG FPV's with an FPV upgrade to trim or body kit following through either sometime next year or with the FH update. |
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If you are i'm not sure how you expect to sell F6's with 310 kw's stamped on the back, the same output as over 3 years ago. No R&D = sales falling off the face of a cliff. |
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How many times over has the F6 allready repaid its extremly modest R & D costs ? FPV walking away from the F6 = shooting themselves in the foot. Engines good till 2015 and uses 10% less fuel than a SC V8 and makes compareable performance and is cheaper to make. What's not to like from a manufacturers perspective. |
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FPV have too many models now meaning the R+D is spread too thin. |
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F6 could be enhanced with an absolutly tiny R&D budget and this engine still has a very loyal following which will continue through to 2015.
A bigger intercooler and a re-tune is all that's required. Gee that'll really break the R&D budget won't it... |
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If only because it has according to ADR figures 8.24% better fuel economy urban 11.65% better fuel economy extra-urban 9.56% better fuel economy combined |
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As far as the "won't sell because of the badge"..... 2002 BA GT announced 290kw with demos about although first deliveries were early 2003. 2007 (5 years later) BF2 GT 40th edition 290kw sold out before first unit delivered..... The primary reason for the drop in sales of FPVs is the economy, nothing else. Soon it will be all happy again and cars will sell like they used to. |
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I was told they're working on it, heck why wouldn't they wack a bigger / thicker intercooler into that new massive front air dam ? Doesn't make commercial sense to me, (doing nothing). All over the world people want greater efficiency from their cars including performance versions, surely this has been noticed by FPV ? |
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FPV and HSV have one huge problem, they keep plastering the stupid kw figure all over the car so the bogans can maintain bragging rights.
No-one cares about the build quality, dynamics handling or real world performance, the number on the car just needs to get bigger at every model upgrade. |
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Ultimately, the HSV is the better all round package, and at least inside feels like a 60k + car not a sub 40k Cab. Not to mention falcons high seating position etc etc etc. I will be keen to see the all new replacement for the falcon for these reasons alone as much as i still love the Falcon products, they have a lot that needs to be fixed.
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If so it will have to go thorough the same engineering including crash testing. This tune change, how will it go at 50 degrees in the desert or -7 degrees in the snow? Will it still comply with the ADRs? That has to be tested and is a rather expensive excercise. And lastly, the doom and gloom sky is falling comment.......if the economy crashes then no one will be buying these cars so spending money making them better will be totally wasted won't it? There are a number of people on here who are directly or indirectly involved with motorvehicle design or manufacture. If you read what they write then maybe it will make more sense to you. |
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Rodger, what new massive air dam are you talking about??
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Cooling wont be any better on FG2. |
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ok . my take . any balls out debate over FPV GT V8 and f6 IN MKII guise is nothing but bagging our own product . people buy f6's a gt's for different reasons . the f6 will throw you back in the seat with a different feel than the GT . SURE some will buy the fastest one at the time . but that's not why people choose between the 2 . me for example .
ohhhhh perhaps i'm getting old , but it's amazing how many people start bagging cars pre release . i bet if one came out with 385kw ![]() |
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going by G6E I think it will have an LED park lamp assembly?? Projector headlights? ![]() Foglights are so 2002!! ![]() |
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This happened on all three of my new FPVs...... |
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well broadmeadows has delivered fpv some FG2's to kit up so thy are not far away.
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I personally think the F6 now lacks some relevance.
Back in the boss 5.4 days there was a choice of big cube V8 noise etc vs I6T fast. Now with S/C 5.0, you get both in the one package. Hence the drop in sales of the F6. It's still a great package but I wouldn't buy one over a 5.0.
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