Territory Turbo or VE SS Sportswagon? - Page 2

**MercurySilver** · 17-01-2014, 02:23 PM

yup theres an ssv wagon
http://www.carsguide.com.au/cars-for...thWestern.html

MercuryT · 17-01-2014, 03:31 PM

About 25K out of my range that SS-V ^^....haha.

In any case I believe they did make SS-V wagons for the VE. I actually checked out one at lunch today based on the advice here - boot is smaller than I first though, but reckon still big enough or what I will need.

I need to drive one in a manual though, I am not a fan of the Holden auto and that has been swaying me to Terri. (or maybe just the ones i've driven)

LMW · 17-01-2014, 06:16 PM

http://www.carsales.com.au/private/d.../?Cr=1&sdmvc=1
id go one of these

MercuryT · 17-01-2014, 07:00 PM

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Originally Posted by LMW

http://www.carsales.com.au/private/d.../?Cr=1&sdmvc=1
id go one of these

Hey mate,
That's quite ironic as my brother has the exact same car!! (including colour)

It doesn't look as good as VE to my eyes, nor as practical as the Terri, but it is certainly great to drive, faster than its power figures suggest and interior WAY above anything local here (has the best seats ive ever sat in!). Fantastic gearbox too.

My main worry is massive $$ with the fancy gearbox and motor when something breaks (which it will as it nears 200Klms) - which applies to all Euros. I have some spare money, but not keen to use it all on repairs!! Still I hadn't seem them that low before so could get a good one under 25K I probably should seriously consider it........

**Polyal** · 17-01-2014, 08:19 PM

Yeah R36 is sweet and they did make manual ones.

FYI two kids is nothing, you can get away with a midsizer easy.

LMW · 18-01-2014, 01:09 AM

maybe a liberty gt wagon is an option too? subies are generally quite reliable. if i was looking for a wagon i would get a manual r36. quick enough and one of the best sounding 6s made. plus i like the understated stying of cars. rather than the look at me thing haha

burnz · 18-01-2014, 06:20 AM

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Originally Posted by simon varley;49****0

I just bought an 09 VE SS wagon. I feel bad deserting Ford, but they don't offer me a manual wagon. Love it. The only disappointing thing is the audio - no USB in and few upgrade options.

check in the arm rest.

**Giant Cranium** · 18-01-2014, 09:35 AM

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Originally Posted by burnz

check in the arm rest.

No USB in ve. They came in on ve2 late 2010

MercuryT · 18-01-2014, 10:39 AM

Thanks for replies, including R36, but i'm pretty sure no R36 came in manual, all autos.

The gearbox they do have is a fantastic one though.

FalconXR6 · 18-01-2014, 10:43 AM

Manual SS wagon...

if it HAD to be auto I would swing the terry turbo's way...

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MercuryT · 18-01-2014, 10:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Polyal

Yeah R36 is sweet and they did make manual ones.

FYI two kids is nothing, you can get away with a midsizer easy.

Yeah, not too worried about extra child on the way, but it means cant fot the dogs in! They have been squashing into the rear seat with a baby seat for a few years.......not great for the leather thats for sure! haha

Matty4 · 18-01-2014, 11:59 AM

A couple of things extra to think about.
Is it going to be your daily driver of the missus'?

If it's going to be hers then think about how long you intend to keep it for also. Once the kids hit school age and make new friends then the versatility of the 7 seats will be a big bonus.

Space wise, with 2 x 40kg dogs it won't matter which one you have, it doesn't leave a lot of room for other stuff, but the Terri will still have more room left over.

I faced this dilemma back in 2004 when the Terri was first released. We had a VT wagon with a big dog and 2 kids, with a 3rd on the way. I was all set on a new VZ SS wagon but one look at the practicalities of the Terri swayed me pretty quickly.

I sold that for a new TTG in '08.
A couple of minor mods and a tune with see your TTG hose an SS, even more so when it's slippery.

MercuryT · 18-01-2014, 03:15 PM

Just realized some of the posters earlier might think DSG is a manual maybe - it isn't, really good auto but nothing like driving with the a clutch and stick. (not saying that is better either, just meaning no manuals in R36 i'm told!!)

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Originally Posted by Matty4

A couple of things extra to think about.
Is it going to be your daily driver of the missus'?

If it's going to be hers then think about how long you intend to keep it for also. Once the kids hit school age and make new friends then the versatility of the 7 seats will be a big bonus.

Space wise, with 2 x 40kg dogs it won't matter which one you have, it doesn't leave a lot of room for other stuff, but the Terri will still have more room left over.

I faced this dilemma back in 2004 when the Terri was first released. We had a VT wagon with a big dog and 2 kids, with a 3rd on the way. I was all set on a new VZ SS wagon but one look at the practicalities of the Terri swayed me pretty quickly.

I sold that for a new TTG in '08.
A couple of minor mods and a tune with see your TTG hose an SS, even more so when it's slippery.

Hey mate,
Daily driver and my car (long story on family front) - will be doing at least 20,000Ks a year as I live 25K from Hobart city (only 15min drive luckily!) so round trip each day plus all the East Coast trips along the way.

Spot on about the room - reckon both will be ok but no doubt the Terri gives far more flexibility - but you lose on the driving front which is hard to weight up!

Hope you are happy with your Terri - yeah, I reckon three kids would all a bit much for a Commo, plus the AWD etc a Terri has. To be honest if it wasn't that the VE SS looked so damn good and has manual option, I would have an easy decision to make.....haha.

sneaky · 18-01-2014, 05:44 PM

best of both worlds - SSV turbo

MercuryT · 19-01-2014, 04:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Giant Cranium

No USB in ve. They came in on ve2 late 2010

Yep, checked that today and you are right.

Still, there are ways around it and not a huge issue.

If I wanted all the latest toys regardless of how it drives i'd buy a Kia, Hyundai or some other rubbish...haha.

v8snerlo · 20-01-2014, 03:08 PM

I can recommend a nice Territory turbo Ghia for sale at the moment. My brother is trying to sell his at the moment. I can vouch for him being a fastidious owner. It really is a great car as I have dropped his family off at the airport a couple of times. Effortless power when you need it and the black interior is quite nice too. Here's the link.
http://www.carsales.com.au/private/d...?Cr=11&sdmvc=1

Alan D Segal · 21-01-2014, 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Matty4

A couple of minor mods and a tune with see your TTG hose an SS, even more so when it's slippery.

Spend the same on mods on both the TTG and the SS and I'd say the SS would come out on top. Every. Time.

MercuryT · 21-01-2014, 05:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Alan D Segal

Spend the same on mods on both the TTG and the SS and I'd say the SS would come out on top. Every. Time.

I'd question that, especially a manual SS when plenty can't launch them well....hell, even my BA Turbo (with minor mods) can outdo the older SS's and it's done over 200,000Ks!!!

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Originally Posted by v8snerlo

I can recommend a nice Territory turbo Ghia for sale at the moment. My brother is trying to sell his at the moment. I can vouch for him being a fastidious owner. It really is a great car as I have dropped his family off at the airport a couple of times. Effortless power when you need it and the black interior is quite nice too. Here's the link.
http://www.carsales.com.au/private/details/Ford-Territory-2006/SSE-AD-2543177/?Cr=11&sdmvc=1

Thanks mate, but I will pass on that one - if there is one colour I would never buy, it is white!! haha. I am sure it is a good car though, and i'm probably not ready to buy until a few months but wouldn't to get the cogs working.....

You are in a unique situation owning the R36 and driving your bro's Turbo Ghia. Your sig states "awesome car", suggesting you are happy with it? Surpisingly they are in my price range too thanks for advice further ^^.

93EB_SXR6 · 23-01-2014, 09:56 AM

I would go for the SS. Maybe I'm biased because I am going to buy a sportswagon... in my opinion they just look so much better than the Territory. Also I think the Territory is pure pox because it has no 4WD capability and is essentially made for footy mums.

Motorbreath310 · 23-01-2014, 10:17 AM

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Originally Posted by 93EB_SXR6

Also I think the Territory is pure pox because it has no 4WD capability and is essentially made for footy mums.

Surprised no one had brought this up sooner.

Would rather a decent-sized station wagon than a two-tonne Rav-4 that creaks, clunks, and bangs like a haunted house.

MercuryT · 23-01-2014, 10:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Motorbreath310

Would rather a decent-sized station wagon than a two-tonne Rav-4 that creaks, clunks, and bangs like a haunted house.

We used to have a couple of non-turbo ones at work.

They didn't seem to have those issues at all, were quiet and drove pretty well? Guess every car is different though.

mcnews · 23-01-2014, 11:18 AM

Just ignore the ignorant know nothings.

Territory is the market leader in driving dynamics for a large SUV style vehicle. It is not a big chested serious off roader no, but it will get places no two-wheel drive will with relative ease if you choose the AWD version of the Territory of course.

But most buyers just want the large size convenience, and capability to carry 5 in supreme comfort, or 7 with the last row seat a bit of a squeeze. It handles nearly as good as a Falcon, just the slight increase in weight in Falcon is felt when pushing harder on undulating roads.

Our Territory AWD with ZF had 150,000km on it when we handed it on through the family, and it had no creaks or bangs and still drove like new. A fantastic vehicle compared to its competitors, only let down by not having a latest generation powerplant for 2014.

93EB_SXR6 · 23-01-2014, 12:09 PM

Label me an "ignorant know nothing" for posting my opinion if you want. I maintain that the Territory is just another dull "soft-roader" built because owning an "SUV" has become totally rad and hip... or whatever. That's the American influence on our culture - a major reason the Falcon and Commodore are dead.

If you want a spacious fuel guzzler which returns mediocre performance, by all means get one. They look just like every other SUV to me and it seems only diehard Ford enthusiasts are aware of the performance versions.
Even if you get a Territory Turbo, very few people will think it's cool compared to a VE SS. That's a fact.

Motorbreath310 · 23-01-2014, 12:45 PM

http://carsales.mobi/cars/details/20...SSE-AD-2403264

What about something like that? Looks nice, with better build quality, and probably cheaper to own and maintain than a fat B-series on stilts. Probably exhibits the same amount of interior wear that a new Terry woukd have in a year or two's time, and is probably close-to a current 'titanium' spec car in equipment terms.

There's also a Calais-V sportwagon?

Sorry to say it, but: I don't see the sense in a Territory. If it's just the extra space you want, you may as well buy something like a CX-9 or even a Santa-fe. I mean, who really places 'driving dynamics' and 'load-capacity' on the same shopping list? May as well buy a family-hauler, and a cheap little toy for the weekends.

simon varley · 23-01-2014, 02:07 PM

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Originally Posted by mcnews

Territory is the market leader in driving dynamics for a large SUV style vehicle.

but in the overall scheme of things, that's not saying a lot is it?

and territory build quality is variable to say the least. I've had a couple of really good quiet ones, but the current one squeaks and rattles like a really squeaky rattly thing. Its' only done 3,000km and it's worse than my 95,000km VE SS sportswagon

Vesper Martini · 23-01-2014, 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by 93EB_SXR6

Also I think the Territory is pure pox because it has no 4WD capability and is essentially made for footy mums.

Thats because its not a 4WD it drives and Handles like a car, there are a few people that struggle with this and you see them fitted with bullbars etc.

Vesper Martini · 23-01-2014, 02:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Motorbreath310

Sorry to say it, but: I don't see the sense in a Territory. If it's just the extra space you want, you may as well buy something like a CX-9 or even a Santa-fe. I mean, who really places 'driving dynamics' and 'load-capacity' on the same shopping list? May as well buy a family-hauler, and a cheap little toy for the weekends.

Now youve got it! the CX9 & Santa-fe are the Territorys competitors. except the Territory has more space and is Cheaper.

One of the demises of Falcon was in fact the Territory. more space and cost the same to run as an EB

Alan D Segal · 23-01-2014, 03:37 PM

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Originally Posted by 93EB_SXR6

Label me an "ignorant know nothing" for posting my opinion if you want. I maintain that the Territory is just another dull "soft-roader" built because owning an "SUV" has become totally rad and hip... or whatever. That's the American influence on our culture - a major reason the Falcon and Commodore are dead.

If you want a spacious fuel guzzler which returns mediocre performance, by all means get one. They look just like every other SUV to me and it seems only diehard Ford enthusiasts are aware of the performance versions.
Even if you get a Territory Turbo, very few people will think it's cool compared to a VE SS. That's a fact.

This is AFF. OFC you're going to get labelled for daring to criticise a Ford product or daring to propose that a <gasp> Holden option would be preferable to you. I agree with you though, for the record.

MercuryT · 23-01-2014, 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Motorbreath310

http://carsales.mobi/cars/details/20...SSE-AD-2403264

What about something like that? Looks nice, with better build quality, and probably cheaper to own and maintain than a fat B-series on stilts. Probably exhibits the same amount of interior wear that a new Terry woukd have in a year or two's time, and is probably close-to a current 'titanium' spec car in equipment terms.

There's also a Calais-V sportwagon?

Sorry to say it, but: I don't see the sense in a Territory. If it's just the extra space you want, you may as well buy something like a CX-9 or even a Santa-fe. I mean, who really places 'driving dynamics' and 'load-capacity' on the same shopping list? May as well buy a family-hauler, and a cheap little toy for the weekends.

Thanks mate,
The Liberties are good cars. That six is not as exciting as what you might think though, albeit they do go ok. That particular one looks a great buy at 16K though, I must admit...

If were to go a 6.0 litre and Holden it would have to be manual, their autos aren't as good as ZF (IMO) and even further blunt the performance....

In terms of the bold, someone like me really. I need space for dogs, car seat and gear, plus being a daily driver I really want to enjoy the thrill of driving a practicle vehicle, but is still exciting on "those" days. I don't have the money to buy a second toy car unfortunately (especially double the rego/insurance etc), hence why it makes the upgrade from my Falcon T, which has carried it all until now, albeit awkwardly, a very tough decision!!

Motorbreath310 · 23-01-2014, 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by MercuryT

Thanks mate,
The Liberties are good cars. That six is not as exciting as what you might think though, albeit they do go ok. That particular one looks a great buy at 16K though, I must admit...

Then perhaps the 2.0 gt turbo? They go okay, and sound cool with an exhaust (subjective, I like boxers) I used to have a '94 Legacy (Liberty) RS sedan, 2.0 tt manual. Not the pick of the Subie 'EJ' family, but damn did it love cool weather!

Also, this may not be a factor for you, BUT! I rate the dual-sunroof thing very muchly

there's decent-enough room in them, the rear compartment is fairly sizeable, and they're quite nice to drive, I reckon.

Apart from that, though. With the prerequisites you've outlined, one of the Aussie cars is probably your best bet. I just imagine a TTG is only going to require a lot of maintenance as they get older (heavy, AWD, Ford) and it wouldn't be much of a change from your current car. Which could be a good, or bad thing...