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Which is why every one jumps on the end of model, end of 2018 plate sales but
what the cynics don't see is that these are relative small numbers of discounted vehicles. Outside of these times, the SR5 Hilux usually undercuts the XLT by a decent amount, enough to mostly stop Toyota's return buyers even looking at Ranger... |
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The one big break that Ranger got was when Toyota coughed and Hilux had to go something like 9 or 12 months before getting DSC and 5-star rating, Ranger sales took off and Ford never looked back. |
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Considering they are building the ranger in two plants in Thailand it would mean it's going well. Your not retooling a 2nd plant because your struggling to sell your vehicle.
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I reckon you would find a lot more private buyers purchasing the C-HR over the fleet sales of this model. (not that the C-HR is their lead selling models) If toyota do get a few fleet sales of the C-HR, must have to do with the way toyota and their dealers do business, as there are plenty of other manufacturers that have adequate alternatives to supply fleets with. |
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there was talk of Ecosport going in there to replace Fiesta but I know ours is from India They used to sell the 2WD SC petrol pick up until about 2004/2005 but regardless of the reason, the numbers don't work for Ford today ..it's just sad. |
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I think you're taking Boss's post too literally, his meaning was to consider the broad range of products and it becomes clear that they are able to fill lots of different fleet requests from across their range that companies like Ford and Holden simply can't match or miss out on altogether. Last edited by jpd80; 06-01-2019 at 02:03 PM. |
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Fleet sales done properly is good for business.
There's nothing wrong with fleet sales to daily Rentals provided the vehicles are the same as retail trim, it's the old fleet strippers and taxis that hurt retail values. Similarly, commercial fleet sales are also good business provided the discount is not excessive, companies generally make a profit from them although not as much as retail sales. The reason that Toyota are now so strong is that they have all bases covered in fleet and retail, that's not to say they are dumping into fleets,more that they have a very balanced business.. |
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My daughter bought a Triton D/cab early 2018, on lease through here government department.
The usage of this vehicle is ALL personal use, nothing to do with her government department in regards to ownership and what she can/can't do to it. I bought my wife a vehicle through my previous company I worked for in early 2016, the company had a deal with Mitsubishi (and couple of other manufacturers) to supply vehicles at a discount fleet price to staff, I paid for the vehicle in full, no loan, no lease, and is wholly and solely in my name on every detail of the ownership of this vehicle. Please enlighten me, are these vehicles considered as fleet purchases but have absolutely nothing to do with any fleet? |
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Mazda seem to be making a lot more products there while Ford is down to Ranger and Everest - it looks like BT50 has moved over to the new plant. Ford is not struggling for production room with Ranger, their new plant is plenty big enough for everything T6. |
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Numbers are in, seems my neighbour who suggested Dmax was on the march might be onto something..
A quote from my post in the 'Take that Holden' thread.. 'He told me to keep an eye on Dmax sales over the next few months.' Dmax up 33% and into 3rd spot in December and 4th overall. Hilux and Ranger down despite generous incentives. Mux up by 30+% too. Commodore down 320 units, Mustang down 340 units and more importantly 30% for the year. https://performancedrive.com.au/aust...the-year-0713/ Last edited by BENT_8; 08-01-2019 at 03:41 PM. |
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Falcon 5th best selling large car under $70k for 2018!
![]() Mustang still averaging 500 a month which is quite extraordinary. Ford must be doing cartwheels with the Mustang in what is now what..... about 4 years since its return to Australia! Sells 4-5 times the units of it’s nearest competitor! What was Fords original prediction with the Mustang in Australia? About 1000 units a year iirc. Why wasn’t the Camaro on that list? One would think it would have at least moved 100 units for the month! It’s not even on the list!
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1. Toyota HiLux – 3871 (down from 4671) 2. Ford Ranger – 3365 (down from 3469) 3. Isuzu D-Max – 2184 (up from 1587) 4. Mitsubishi Triton – 2000 (down from 2404) Hilux is down 800 Ford is down 104 D-Max is up 597 Triton is Down 404 Rather than runaway Ranger buyers, Maybe D-Max's sales increases come from Hilux and Triton? Quote:
Month.............2018..............2017 Jan..................583................440 Feb..................577................492 Mar..................622................705....... Q1 sales....1,782 versus 1,637...Sales up 145 Apr..................381................639 May.................257..............1,351 Jun..................635..............1,276....... Q2 sales....1,273 versus 3,266....Sales down 1,993 Jul...................546.................919 Aug..................736................748 Sep..................422................659....... Q3 sales....1,704 versus 2,326....Sales down 622 Oct..................569.................629 Nov.................780.................711 Dec.................439.................451....... Q4 sales....1,788 versus 1,791....Sales down 3 Total.............6,402..............9,165 Last edited by jpd80; 08-01-2019 at 07:20 PM. |
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Triton has just been replaced with a new model so its quite normal to see a slump as customers wait for the new model to become available for delivery. I think that would be a fair assumption considering you've used it to justify the downturn in both Ranger and Mustang sales this year prior and post changeover.. Either way, Dmax made significant ground at Ranger and Hilux's expense, that would support what he told me and what i relayed to you. I put it in writing a week ago and it has been proven correct, but im sure your connections just forgot to mention it to you.. ![]() Last edited by BENT_8; 08-01-2019 at 08:07 PM. |
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Looking at Dmax sales figures, they seem relatively consistent across the year roughly between 1400-1700pm. Maybe with the average increasing slightly across the year. The only significant exceptions to this being June and December. Smells like EOFY and EOY sales to me.
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in the article you linked. Looking closer, the differences quoted for monthly sales were the change from actually Nov to Dec not the change from Dec 2018 to Dec 2017 Here are the actual figures December...........2018..............2017 Hilux...................3,871..............3,949.. ....a slight drop of 78 Ranger................3,365..............3,458.... ..a slight drop of 78 D-Max.................2,184..............2,053...... an increase of 131 Triton..................2,000..............2,645.. ....Yeah, model change over, later than Ranger? So no, I don't see any significant bleed away in December's national sales. Sorry about the edits, I got Triton numbers back to front Last edited by jpd80; 08-01-2019 at 10:21 PM. |
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What was commodores total number for 2018 please
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There were also two less selling days in December compared to 2017.
On pro rata selling, it means that Hilux and Ranger lost approximately 352 sales and 306 sales while D-max probably lost another 199 sales. Holden Commodore – 9040 (down from 23,676 in 2017) Cheers bigwil... Last edited by jpd80; 08-01-2019 at 10:50 PM. |
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Lol, ok, you got me, yes this type of deflection is usually your strategy on these matters. Quote:
...............Nov 2017.......Dec 2017 Hilux...........4,103............3,949 a drop of 154 Ranger........3,576............3,458 a drop of 128 Dmax..........1,699............2,053 a rise of 354 ...............Nov 2018.......Dec 2018 Hilux...........4,671............3,871 a drop of 800 despite incentives Ranger........3,469............3,365 a drop of 104 despite incentives & refresh Dmax..........1,587............2,184 a rise of 597 So comparing the November to December swings from 2017 to 2018.. Hilux got smashed by an additional drop of 644 units but came off an extraordinary November 2018 compared to November 2017. Ranger only fared 24 units better off despite offering generous incentives in 2018 on a new model. Dmax increased its December 2018 gain by 243 units over its December 2017 gain on a 12 month older product. And im not sure where you get 2 less sales days in December 2018 from, both December 2017 and December 2018 had 24 sales days. None of this is the elephant in the room though, the biggest concern is that Ford as a manufacturer had the largest yearly slump for a brand with established product with a loss of 9,000 units to 69,081 and is now behind its last full year of Falcon production (2015 where it moved 70,454 units) despite having the No2 Ute and best selling sports car in the market. Obviously Holden lost 33% or 30,000 which can be contributed to the loss of local manufacturing compared to 2017 which just highlights how important the locally built Commodore was to Holdens entire range and how the imported car has been slow to take off despite moving on average 750 units per month. Last edited by BENT_8; 09-01-2019 at 02:28 AM. |
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Problem is now driving a mustang is liking driving a Hyundia I30. Everyone has one. Common as.
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Amazing thing about being a Mustang owner is their is a respect amongst the owners, similar to Harley riders. When driving a Mustang and see another Mustang coming towards you on the road, 95% of owners acknowledge each other.
I’ve had mine now for a couple of years and the respect is growing. It’s pretty cool really! Won’t get that with your I30.......
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Ford's drop of 104 is consequential of a new model with increased pricing, I suspect that most of the heavily discounted MY 18 runout stock was exhausted by December which is why we now see 2018 Plate MY19s near those same discounts, there's only a few of those as well. |
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5/1/19 @12:16pm The MY18 is $51,990 drive away + Metallic Paint + Technology Pack To be honest though, im not sure what any of that has to do with Dmax making bigger gains in December 18 over December 17 compared to the respective preceeding month to the tune of 10 more units per business day. In a market which is down on the previous year and whilst the opposition is offering very generous incentives, thats a fair gain to make and probably why the achievement was highlighted for mention in the article. |
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