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The other way to look at this hybrid is as a power adder as well, the extra punch available
when 2.3 turbo combines with electric motor should give an interesting performance impact. That’s the thing about PHEVs with a turbo engine, it’s not always about fuel economy but it can be. |
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50% of Ranger owners do less than 45 km per day.
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So theoretically I wouldn't use petrol for 3 and maybe 4 days of the week however I also don't have to worry about jumping in and finding out I forgot to plug in the charger or more importantly never have to worry about finding a charging station or sitting in a queue planning a longer trip like an aircraft pilot until the infrastructure is at the stage we deserve if the whole industry can get it's act together. Ranger has a massive potential customer pool but the pricing of this hybrid has to be right and who wouldn't love a possible 270kW that at least has tennuous connection to a stock XR6T/G6ET ![]() |
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Its Ranger PHEV, not Ranger EV. I don't see the 45km EV range being an issue, its still going to be way more powerful and torquey compared to the diesel options in the Ranger, with the benefit of using a cheaper fuel, and cheaper to maintain while being more fuel efficient in stop/start traffic. This is where hybrids win out massively. The PHEV part is just the icing on the cake, thats the way you view this - seems people are looking at the 45KM EV-only range and overlooking all the other benefits. That engine makes 200KW+ in the Mustang WITHOUT its hybrid functionality. Last edited by Franco Cozzo; 20-09-2023 at 06:45 AM. |
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With new Triton being released early 2024 and a PHEV is tipped to be available pretty early, bloody smart of Ford to announce this (even its not here for 18 months) to be able to say they where the first. Even though it probably wont make it to market first, they are still first to announce....
Be interesting to see what sort of price premium it will be over the equivalent Diesel version as, price not withstaning, it could suit alot of current Ranger buyers...
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It may be close but thats a bit annoying to have to charge the thing every day. Even living in Hobart I do ~30km per day purely to work and back, that's without a kids run etc so id burn 45km easy...so yeah IMO that's on a the weak side but a start.
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Forgive me, I've only experienced Rav4 Hybrids where they effectively take care of themselves charge wise. During regular driving etc does the Ranger version charge itself and you can charge it up additionally at home ?
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My info is just from a dealer, my old man has a deposit on one (pending details and pricing) to replace his current 2018 Triton GLS. He uses the Ute component all the time, but doesn't really tow much nor do many KM so PHEV would suit him down to the ground. Dealer said they "Expect" there to be PHEV option but obviously don't know all that much so you may very well be bang on re: full EV.
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Yes ,normally the battery is bigger than a normal hybrid, sort of like a cross between an EV and a hybrid they normally give you the option to save the charge and operate like a normal hybrid then if your in town you can switch to straight EV if you want to save gas or your heading home etc
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They will never please everyone but having to still charge 3-4 times a week seems like a pain. Does this one re-gen or plug in only to charge?
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Actually Fords data says more than 50% of Ranger drivers do less than 40km a day.
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And the other 50%, Im sorry but this range is a joke. I am sure they had to compromise etc etc but I hope Mitsu comes out and does better.
As a side topic, is that off a survey or they pull data from the ECU, if so who signed up to that?
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In the USA, the 2024 Tacoma has a 2.4 turbo hybrid across the range
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Think of it like your typical mobile phone. Most mobile phones only have enough charge to last one day. Therefor, before one goes to bed, one typically plugs their mobile phone in for charging. Ditto for a PHEV. Typically the range is about 40 - 80 km (depending on manufacturer and vehicle). Given that a fair chunk of drivers only do about 40 km in a day, that is all the battery capacity they need. When I had a PHEV, I got into the habit of plugging it in every night. Within a week or so, the action of plugging the PHEV into the wall when I got home became a completely automatic response. The nice feature about a PHEV is that when the battery runs flat then the petrol engine can take over. Oh, and a PHEV - or any other EV for that matter - is great for quietly slinking back home after a night out ... Quote:
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It’s not the vehicles range. It’s the vehicles range using battery only. Then it turns into a hybrid. Anyone who agrees to the terms and conditions of the Ford pass app signs up for it. They can also see it from service data. 10,000km divided by 365 days =. It’s pretty simple math really. It’s not like they’re tracking your search history like every app on your phone. |
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You get out of the car and plug it in, just like you do with your phone(s), or power tool batteries, I got four of those chargers and about a zillion power tool batteries I've got to charge. |
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One thing to keep in mind is that range is in the best case scenario. My round trip to work is 45km. I bet I would never make it home on a single charge.
45km a day is a bit over 16,000km in a year. Isn’t the average yearly kilometres traveled a bit over that? Like it’s not bad but I would have thought a PHEV Ute would have been aiming a little higher. Isn’t late 30s the lower end of PHEVs range. |
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The Ranger hybrid really appeals to me, it would absolutely haul *** being 200KW+, be good on fuel and its not some rattly slow diesel POS. Ford's Ecoboost engines are wicked, the Fiesta ST we have, peak torque starts at 1500 RPM and carries through to 4500 RPM and its only 1.6L, makes the same torque as my old diesel Focus and uses .5L/100km more fuel. Last edited by Franco Cozzo; 21-09-2023 at 08:10 PM. |
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It’s not a dolphin torch. There will be some technology in the system. It’s not going to drain the battery to zero %. And it’s not like the car stops when the range gets to zero. Then the turbo charged engine starts and you drive on. There’s way too much focus on the electric only range. That’s just it’s party trick to sneak back home or out early. Go and drive a PHEV for a month and you might see it’s actually a great system. Particularly amazing if you don’t pay to charge it. You may only end up filling it with fuel every 2500km. The question that needs to be answered is how much is it to get into one. There’s talk in the media of $90-100k. That’s ridiculous and would rule out most honest tradies. Do we know what spec it will be offered in? I see the Wildtrak in the promotional material. Will it come in lower XLS or XLT trim levels? |
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Fords spending $ designing it as a plug n when it's basically a HEV ....look at the Tacoma HEV as posted before I wonder which company would be making more profit......makes Ford look like the Dolphin torch
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Not sure if this is any interest ... but when I had a Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV back in 2014 I did a series of write ups about my impressions of the PHEV experience (good and bad)
https://fordforums.com.au/showthread...highlight=PHEV There is about four pages of discussion and explanations about how the PHEV worked. When reading this (now nine year old post), just keep in mind that Ford might have a slightly different engineering approach (particularly the way that the ICE and EV components interact). |
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