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14-07-2009, 11:20 AM | #31 | ||
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I dont really care about all the speed cameras. As long as they are not average speed cameras and you are awake! you should notice them and slow down if you were speeding. You deserve it if you are too asleep to not notice a falcon wagon sitting dangerously where no normal driver would sit one foot off a country road.
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14-07-2009, 11:25 AM | #32 | |||
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14-07-2009, 11:46 AM | #33 | |||
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14-07-2009, 12:12 PM | #34 | ||||
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Thinking about it, why are they spending so much money on speed cameras when there's still a stack of country railway crossing with no boom gates? Quote:
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14-07-2009, 12:30 PM | #35 | |||
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Why s it so obvious to some, but vigourously debated by others? : GK...Boom gates don't pay bills
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14-07-2009, 12:45 PM | #36 | |||
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14-07-2009, 01:39 PM | #37 | |||
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14-07-2009, 01:45 PM | #38 | ||
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Seems like I'm going to have to use the GPS for more than navigation.
Yep, pure revenue raising and all the rest of it, but we can and moan all we want, nothing will change until Labor is out of office. I'd like to see stats to back up the claims of the safety aspect of these cameras. Show me stats, and no spin, and I'll back Brumby to the hilt. |
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14-07-2009, 02:40 PM | #39 | ||
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hmmm speed cameras be carefull of the old cars on the side o the road
i got caught by a eb fairmont wagon .. now that ****ed me off |
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14-07-2009, 02:47 PM | #40 | |||
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Have the new fixed camera locations been released yet? |
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14-07-2009, 02:48 PM | #41 | ||
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reading through this thread, I can only sit and nod with the majority, why is it that the general public can't see that the government is just revenue rasing with speed cameras? How can they (being the general populous) continue to believe that speed cameras save lives? It's the teacup orbiting the sun arguement. Frustrating to say the least.
I have held off from buying a GPS unit for the car, don't REALLY need one, but with the increasing population of speed cameras right across the country and maps being update constantly, maybe now is th etime to buy one as a safety precaution. Or have a radar detector hidden install done. Oh yes, they do exist.
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14-07-2009, 02:57 PM | #42 | ||
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Of course being an Owner of a GT Falcon....I am totaly against the idea of cars being manufactured so that they could not exceed the State Speed limit, on the Open road.
If they where seriouse about saving lives....then that is what they would do for starters....we all know nobody buys a car unless it can claim to do at least 180kph before the rev limiter kicks in (Ba series 1 XT Wagon as example) Cheers |
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14-07-2009, 03:14 PM | #43 | ||
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You cant argue logically that they haven't slowed people down nor that they haven't potentially saved lives because there's no way to know or measure "what might have happened"...
They ARE a deterrent to speeding, plain and simple. Until excessive speed is no longer a factor in most road fatalities and serious injuries you'll never win a debate with any govt that trying to slow people down to sensible appropriate speeds isn't a worthwhile objective. Im not saying there isn't a revenue component to their existence, but to claim they're ONLY for revenue and the govt doesn't care is just plain naive.. flame away...
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14-07-2009, 03:25 PM | #44 | |||
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14-07-2009, 03:35 PM | #45 | ||
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Yeah they are a deterrent, but not a very good one.
The majority of people spend most of their driving time on roads they drive regularly and therefore they learn where the cameras are located and slow accordingly. There are far better ways, I'm sure, to deter speeding or encourage safe driving, but none of them will earn money for the government. They may not be ONLY for revenue, but sure as hell they are HIGHLY influenced by it. |
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14-07-2009, 03:36 PM | #46 | |||
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Regardless of your opinion on revenue raising or whatever...if you don't speed through the camera it won't take your picture. Not that hard to figure out. If there were more police on the roads enforcing road laws then people would complain that there are too many police on the roads..."jeez it's a totalitarian state..." (steady Flappy) or "why aren't they out catching real criminals" and all the other rhetorical excuses under the sun. Dammed if you do and dammed if you don't. Gummint will always look at the cheapest means of being seen to be doing something about something out of it's control in the first place.
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14-07-2009, 03:43 PM | #47 | |||
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Do i like speed cameras? NOPE, i hate them, id prefer to drive at my own speed without fear of a fine, other people are ruining my driving "experience". Do i speed? NOPE, try not to anymore, i don't want to contribute to brack's coffers. Can i do anything about them? probably not, at-least not while people keep making donations via fines! and people keep doing 50++K's over the limit and getting caught and people keep killing themselves on our roads from excessive speed collisions.. Want to be angry at someone for their existance? blame the people donating and caught well over the limit and involved in high speed collisions.. its their fault. Here's a question for the anti camera zealots, If nobody got caught by speed cameras for 3 months what do you think might happen to them??
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14-07-2009, 03:48 PM | #48 | |||||
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I've wondered why they don't use much older cars. They'd trick a lot more people that way, and trickery is what it's all about IMO. Quote:
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A quick web search found this. http://www.delonixradar.com.au/victoria/ It's probably got everything you'd want to know about speed cameras, how they work, the different types, how to work out if one has been set up correctly / incorrectly, where they are located etc, etc, etc. Here is a list from Sunday's Herald Sun of the new locations. Metropolitan Dandenong-Frankston Rd and Hall Rd - Carrum Downs Dandenong Rd & Warrigal Rd - Chadstone Sydney Rd and Gaffney St - Coburg North Pascoe Vale Rd and REservoir Drive - Coolaroo Sth Gippsland Hwy & Thompsons Rd - Cranbourne Doncaster Rd & Tram Rd - Doncaster Monash Fwy & Heatherton Rd - Doveton Hoddle St & Wellington Parage - East Melbourne Nepean Hwy & Davey St - Frankston Dandenong - Frankston Rd & Skye Rd - Frankston Princes Hwy & Fitzgerald Rd - Hallam Hallam Rd & Coral Drive - Hampton Park Kew Junction - Kew Canterbury Rd & Colchester Rd - Kilsyth South Gipps Hwy & Lyndbrook Blvd - Lynbrook Batman Ave & Swan St - Melbourne Victoria St & Exhibition St - Melbourne Nepean Hwy and Bungover Road - Mornington Nepean Hwy & Mornington/Tyabb Rd - Mornington Princes Hwy & Chandler Rd - Noble Park Princes St & Nicholson St - North Carlton Centre Rd & Huntingdale Rd - Oakleigh Sth High St & Mahoneys Rd - Reservoir City Rd & Montague St - South Melbourne Melton Hwy & Kings Rd - Taylors Lakes Springvale Rd & Burwood Rd - Vermont South Rural Sturt St & Gillies St - Ballarat 15th St & San Mateo Ave - Mildura York St & MacArthur St - Sale Raglan Parade & Mahoneys Rd - Warrnambool Hume Hwy & Lincoln Causeway - Wodonga GK
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14-07-2009, 03:51 PM | #49 | ||
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You all sit here and procrastanate about revenue try getting out there with interstate truck drivers day in day out and you will see first hand revenue raising
The biggest issue here is education of drivers if you are stupid enough to be doing well in excess of posted speed signs and then find you are confronted with a speed camera you are the one putting innocent people at risk by all of a sudden braking to get down under the limit. So don't sit here and blame everyone else if you are doing it legally then where's the problem " You do the crime you do the time" it's that simple. |
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14-07-2009, 03:53 PM | #50 | ||||
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14-07-2009, 04:04 PM | #51 | ||
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When your just cruising along, seemingly going with the 3 lanes of traffic on a down hill stretch and two weeks later you get a ticket saying your estimated speed is 106, and you get billed for 104 ! (insert expletive) up to 10% over the limit is just REVENUE RAISING.
If your doing 120 in a 50 zone then you deserve the fine, and deserve to be walking ! PS, love these threads, it gets everyone fired up, wish I had Brumbys Email address to forward a link to !
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14-07-2009, 04:05 PM | #52 | ||
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I get what you're saying, but its slightly contradictory to what you said in your previous post. If they are a deterrent, then why are so many people getting caught still? Quote:
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14-07-2009, 04:12 PM | #54 | ||
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hmmm. One of the new locations is Centre Rd & Huntingdale Rd. That's about 2 minutes from my place, and I have seen a few near misses there. It's not from speed though. It's just when there's a green light, they don't have a red turning arrow the same way, meaning people turn right in front of cars going the opposite direction. They need to change this setup, not just stick a camera there.
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14-07-2009, 04:14 PM | #55 | |||
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Secondly If the cost to run the camera's is greater than the revenue they collect id suggest they'd soon disappear....
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14-07-2009, 04:15 PM | #56 | |||
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Think some of the things I find frustrating is that we have "black spots" that are known and even sign posted, however there doesnt appear to be the funds to fix them, however the government can find the funds to install new camers (although not install them at the black spots) Driver training is still poor (IMO) and whilst a lot acknowledge it, nothing gets done.
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14-07-2009, 04:29 PM | #57 | |||
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I have a feeling we would see a lot more people are surviving heavy accidents now days with better cars and equipment. |
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14-07-2009, 05:03 PM | #58 | |||
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14-07-2009, 05:16 PM | #59 | |||
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That's without any initial set-up, retrieval or fine processing and administrative costs. Administrative costs would be around $20 per infringement notice, most large companies estimate it costs approximately $20 to raise an invoice. How many fixed and mobile cameras are there in Vic?
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