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So the new lincoln MKS on the highway got 25 MPG.
"in USA gallons". What is that in L/100 about 11? I think i will stay with my 5.7L V8 thanks. |
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3.8 L to 1 Gall US 1.6 Km to 1 mile..... OK does 9.5L/100Km sound right?... |
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Still, what we're talking about here is the 2.0Litre EcoBoost I-4 for Falcon which they are looking at an 8.0L/100km combined cycle consumption.
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in combined fuel consumption but the funny thing is live with each of them in the real world and all would give similar city fuel consumption. Buyers don't seem to pick up on this important point. This is where Ford will fight fire with fire by using the Ecoboost I-4 to put falcon front and centre as a large mid sized car alternative - the large car fight back against the interlopers creeping up in size. Whilst hybrid Camry will use less fuel, the EB I-4 Falcon will be much nicer vehicle to drive, Holden will need to come up with something for Commodore or switch to a better mid sizer.... |
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I guess they couldn't put the 4cyl ecoboost motor in the G6 or xr6 series. That would make it a G4et/xr4t?
It's so foolish to put cylinder numbers in model names.... So it must be base falcon only? qs |
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No reason why they can't have an EcoBoost I-4 Falcon G6. The Mazda6 only has an I-4.
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Has anyone found what family of engine the I4t for the Falcon will be, as the only engine I can find that is made is the MZR, which is the Mazda 3 & Focus motor.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_Du...ine#Duratec_HE |
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In reality the EB is closest to the new (ford specific i believe) 2.0 DI engine that will feature in US (and prob some australan models) next gen focus. That is a heavilly modified MZR (heads for DI, different flow etc.). So given the EB would be a modified turbo version of a modified DI engine it getting a bit removed. But in theory yes they are all related, to the exact extent i dont' know.....
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It's a Mazda L3T block
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By any other name : MZR L3-VDT
2.3 litre 263 HP/280 lb-ft 2 litre interpolation: 2/2.3 x above = 228 Hp/ 243 lb-ft at same nominal boost Ecoboost I4T = 230 HP/ 240 lb-ft Interesting huh. |
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On 91, it will probably give around the 211 hp/200 lb ft being advertised for Europe's FWDs |
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I suspect you would be right, but fiddling the boost can easily mask that. Unless the makers all play ball and provide bench testing figures based on equivalence of boost through the range, we will forever be getting oohs and aahs about one engine being better power plants than others. At least sea level pressure is fairly constant.
We have to understand that the USA were late starters with the whole turbo scene. Even Ford Oz were late arrivals here and Holden whimped out after the VL. The US parent is going to market their domestic stock as leading edge, because their customer culture is by and large so entrenched in bigger is better, american iron, etc. and it will take a real live nephew of Uncle Sam to lead them into a brave new world, not some rice eaters. |
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Interesting you say that about the radiator. I had a 4 row installed early in the peace when it became apparant the host one was a little suss when on boost. The buick:- well I guess detroit wanted the margins more than the guys at Nissan. I doubt Ford would have succumbed. |
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What Ford says about the I4....
http://media.ford.com/article_displa...ticle_id=30997 Quote:
The Chicago Auto Show is open to the publuc on February 12. I figure around then we will get the whole scoop on the 2.0 EcoBoost engine as it is to premier in the 2011 Ford Edge that will be on display. I presume Ford will have several engines (whole engine, cut-a-way) on display as well and we can really see what it will be like. I am sure it is over-engineered for durability like the 3.5L Ecoboost is with the expectation that people will be making more power than factory with these engines. Steve
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The European Ford Galaxy is currently being previewed:
150kW 2.0 ecoboost |
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Mondeo S-Max is also ready to show at the Paris Motor Show:
2.0 ecoboost 150kW 1.6 ecoboost 120kW 2.0 deisel TDCi 120kW |
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of course they are going to subject it to a torture worse than what hell can dish up but I am still skeptical I know on paper it will work well but the idea just makes my "oh hell no" meter go into overdrive. I still am baffled why they are dropping the duratec 5 cylinder methinks 5 cylinders would be less of an ego crush than 4 why not ecoboost that engine or one like it? at least use it as a stepping stone to a 4 cylinder it is a good motor by all accounts and as mentioned a 5 cylinder dont sound as wimpy and "oh hell no" as a 4 cylinder
ALSO turbo engines fail when the service intervals are not met the oil feed lines block and we all know how some people neglect their cars then kick the car when it stops on the side of the road - how can this be engineered against? I don't think it can
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Ford are not the first to put small engine into a large car, Europe has been doing it for years and it works.
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