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So now, the gap is only 10k. And to the buyers of these cars, the badge creed along with (and I'm assuming here) the better build quality, better electronic aides / gadgetry, better safety features and better handling dynamics will tip most buyers to the Audi. Put those 2 V6 cars side by side, list the specifications and say the Audi is only 10k more. Where do you really think the line of cheque books will be? |
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if the line of cheque books want to spend 10 grand less they`ll be at ford ;)
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Taurus SHO is great.... but it aint the best car in Fords line up. According to Mulally anyway.
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What is? I think Mulally has done a fantastic job. Most people would say "change the Taurus name," "get rid of the PowerStroke name" because the new ones do put the old models to shame, but he had the audacity to keep them, and not only that - pitching the Taurus against the Audi. Now that is bold. So what's his fav car?
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Impressive, most impressive.
Not a bad looker either. |
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It beats the SRT-8, THAT is more impressive than the A6>
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K8eqaEGmQgk But the G37 (NA/V6) gives the SHO some trouble> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uuri5zIqbTw I'd still rather Ford Aus's product.
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Could Taurus be marketed as a Fairlane replacement, something to re vitalize the large luxury segment?
I know we have G Series cars already but if FoA could get their hands on either the high series Taurus or even better, the Lincoln MKS, maybe we could have a "Fairlane" without the development costs.... I believe that Falcon and Taurus or MKS can co exist. Even though they overlap in some areas, they are both different enough to attract completely different buyers... |
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thats not an srt-8 thats an awd 300c, and these sho's are still just a 14 second car (so is an aurion)
lol when one of these reels off a 12.8 like a G6E can do i'll be slightly impressed when one of these hands a FG F6 its behind, i'll look closer but untill then V6 = gay you cant beat an inline 6 sure GTR is now a V6 but i still much prefer the inlines from the JZ's RB's barras and even the beemers, never liked V6's even though i had a 300kw s/c'd 3.5L V6 engines aside, i'd still not buy an american sedan, they all look like ****, maybe they should look at a euro when designing a car ( i dont even like mb bm etc...) but seriously... yuk, it looks like sheet! Last edited by andrewg6e; 14-05-2010 at 03:29 PM. |
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You watch the yanks go to town on mods for the engine, a simple tune and exhaust is already netting 12.7s at the drag strip... |
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Still not impressed. This SHO Taurus is already beaten by our own products. (I also see Camry in the design) Long Live The home grown Falcon.
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Not meaning to defend Taurus here, it's just a car designed for a completely different market. And it's right that you should see some Camry there, Toyota sells about 40,000 a month there in good times... |
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that has got to be one of the uglyiest rear ends of the decade
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I agree that the Taurus would fail if sold here again in our market. I would've copied the European marques for the design if I wanted inspiration, not that Camry. Aus Falcon is better.
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Big failing with US D3 platform is that the Americans wanted maximum parts carry over between the SUV and the sedan so they used the floor pan for the SUv in the sedan which gives the Taurus a much higher almost cartoonish proportion compared to regular sedans. I'm certain that the Americans can build themselves a great FWD/AWD sedan but this one comes with too many constraints and is joined at the hip to Escape.. Imagine of our Falcon used the Territory's floor pan and you'll begin to see the problem... Now, a Taurus based on the next Fusion/Mondeo platform may be a completely different thing... For me Ford Australia has demonstrated that a reliable and fuel efficient RWD sedan can be developed on a shoe string budget, it's time for head office to allow FoA access to other higher series technology that Jaguar uses on the DEW platform...like all alloy construction.... |
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They bench mark Taurus against Audi's performance and appointments but then looked at Toyota and how their styling had been successful in the USA. |
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The context of that part of the discussion was about aftermarket.
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Oh everything can be tuned for higher performance, especially anything with a turbo. But with the transverse layout in the Flex and Taurus, the transmission has a lower torque rating than what you can get in a rwd setup, so the EcoBoost really is detuned so as to not exceed that rating. Word is that F150 will get 400hp (300kw)/400lb-ft(540Nm) with the same engine. Now F150s tend not to be tuned too high either. The 4.6 and new 5.0 have more power in the Mustang than in the truck. That's because in a truck, you need the engines to be less stressed, it has tougher jobs to do. But the powertrain can handle it. So what is the real potential of the 3.5 EB? Who knows? But it is certainly not where it is now, and that Flex EB felt lighning fast when I drove it. Not even a hint of turbo lag, and you can notice incredible low end torque. I wonder if SVT or FPV was tinkering around with that engine...what kind of power and torque they would be getting out of it. I really think if it was in the Stang or FPV Falc, you would see a significantly higher figure, and still meeting all the emissions requirements, not losing any driveability and offering longevity. So, the perfomance places would take it up from there. If it still wasn't enough, they could use ethanol injection and increase the size of the engine.
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And if the barra ever recieved direct injection and sequential turbos and flux capacitor it'd be a factory 400kw machine with 650nm torque and meet euro 4 with eze. Haa probably could do all of the above now but they hold it back so the little old V8 still feels like a man. The fg has come so far from the xrt of old to the point that the FG n/a 6 is as quick as a BA xrt was when new and stock. And American cars are still ugly like a hippos wrinkly ****
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And the Americans build cars in Australia too
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The sweet spots for Ford NA is now F Truck, CUV/SUV utility vehicles, Fusion and Focus.
I often wonder about aligning products with competitors and whether Ford would be better off offering more in- betweeners like Falcon but in different sizes to break up a bit of that cross shopping, something like a RWD between Focus and Mondeo/Fusion...... |
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I think that was for N/A motors. D.I was more beneficial for Turbo's.
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