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Uni and TAFE positions havent really increaed in the past 15yrs or so. This means supply cant keep up with demand.
However sometimes it also appears that a lack of interest in certain trades because of crap wages and conditions have caused a skills shortage in some areas. As an example here in Townsville for about 5yrs (from memory) the TAFE here did not offer panel beating or spray painting. Why? Because the young folk here werent interested in that sorta work. During that period in Saturdays paper there would be at least 10 jobs advertised for panel beaters/ spray painters every weekend! Only about 2 yrs did TAFE start doing paint and panel again...
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Join Date: Apr 2007
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Civil engineering was my field, if I ever decide to sell out and go back to it.
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I think the Media have beat the resources sector into somthing it's not.
Nothing gets under my skin morer than the C.U.B storys. Yes the money is good but the hours are long and you work in remote arias. I'm on 2 Asbestos regesters after being Accidentally exposed. The "Life style" don't suit evrybody, some people carn't handle it, I know of 2 people i'v worked with who have toped emself and 3 or 4 others who have just flipped out and had too be flown off site 1 as recently as 2 weeks ago. all from personal problems come about from working away from Home. One of the guys i work with, His mother died, His mobile was back at camp and the faimly couldn't get throu to the site office, he didn't find out till we finished shift at 6pm. Then had to wait till 9am the next day for a flight off site!
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Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: Central Coast
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but you young fellas, like you don't know that you are basicly wasting your time. i have often wonder'd why i have three trade and they earn less than a forkie. now that i'm working as a labourer for less hour's and 30% more money, i fail to see the benifit of trade school. your's fathfully disillusioned
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Hahahaha thats the biggest load of crap I have herd today. I work on Barrow Island (WA) as a carpenter so I have heard a whole lot of crap today and that tops the lot. The answer is hard work gets you to the gold. Im earning almost 200k a year and its all thanks to me being head strong and sticking to what I do best. Started a carpentry apprenticeship when I was 15 earning about $300 bucks a week. Thaught about quiting about a thousand times in those four years but no I stuck to it, and got off my butt and made the effort to find the good jobs and now 24 im earning almost 200k a year doing FIFO as a chippie. Some people think its all too much hard work and drop out and yeh do labouring jobs. But the people who stick in there are the ones who reap the rewards. And about the truck driving. Everyone thinks you can just put in your resume and get handed the keys to a massive dump truck. Its not that easy again its back to the hard work bit. They have training companies all over australia offering courses to train you how to drive one of these trucks and get the correct accreditation. Thats what the mining companies are looking for. People who put in the hard work first and go out and pay to get the accreditation and correct training first. You got to open the can first before you get the cream.
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maybe as an employer paying his worker's 2 bucks an hour and a bag of rice, thats it. no hope of getting that on the real market, even if "your" a master craftman. ps: i'm a cnc machinist, heavy diesel mech, boiler/pressure welder. and yes trade qual in all three
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cmon guys this isnt about comparing bank balances or anything else for that matter.
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Na no way im getting that (sarcastic). I said ABOUT 200k a year. And do you want me to pm you my average $3200 a week after tax payslip. Can be more depending on how much overtime I do. But thats baced on a 7 day week doing 10 hour days. Ahhh these narrow minded people who have no idea whats out there. As I said mate I did the hard work and worked my way onto the good jobs. I dont care what anybody thinks. Im only putting this up here not to brag or compare but for people to see that if you put in the hard work the cash can follow. I just thaught it was a good example.
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the thread is about skill shortage. with the apparent low wage as apposed the to the labour market is their any other reason to the mass exodise from trades, i think not.
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Young people in aus not willing to put in the hard yards and commit to an apprentaship and work throught the low wage years is what I think is contributing to the skill shortage. Hence the reason they have to resort to looking overseas for workers. The government is trying to overcome this by shortening some apprenticeships from 4years to 3. But still there is not enough local labour to fill the growing industry.
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Join Date: Nov 2006
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Mate trust me in not taking this job for granted. And im fully aware that it will only last for as long as im here. Its the construction game, anyone riding that rollercoaster will know no job is forever. And its going to finish at some stage. And again please be aware in my last couple of posts im not in any way playing the I earn more than you game/braging or comparing pays. Im only hoping that at least one person reads it and goes "yeh I might stick with my apprenticeship and see what comes if it". Because that one person is one less 457 visa taking our jobs. My 2cents Over and out Cheers
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The skills shortage can be partly blamed on the union mentality under which this country runs. As long as everyone within establishments earns the same wage, whether competant and hard working or not. I personaly have had to endure one lazy and incompetant tradesperson after the other time and time again, yet these people are the first to windge and complain about how unfair this and that is! Too make things worse the current young generation want everything handed to them on a platter. Trades in general are in trouble and things are only going to get worse.
However the upside is that those of us that are left will be able demand wages higher than ever before. Even if our future operations highly entail babysitting forign workers. They couldn't be any worse than whats getting around now!
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Dont be like that if you do the math he is on roughly 50 per hour for the hours he's working good money but not out of this world . An to xt3valve :hrod I give you the hotrod as a thumbs up i know it doesn't make sense i just wanted to use that smilie . But any chance you need a plasterer on that island of yours |
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Id be more than happy to learn a trade, however, being 32, i cant afford to reduce my salary to 1/3 of what i earn now.
Im sure there are many others out there in the same boat. |
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Thanks mate. Its all the extras like site allowance, trade allowance, travel allowance, overtime rates ect that make the differance. Its FIFO work and get paid accordingly. Its not hard to get it. Im a formwork carpenter making timber and plywood boxes for concrete to get poured into haha. Nothing master craftsman (like burnz mentioned) about it. :hrod back at ya snappy.
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and yes i'm aweare of the irony of putting myself out of a job... as for diesel, none wan't to spring for repairs as it is now cheaper to replace new OEM equipment. boilermaking well it's over supplied, no market demand.
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Back in a Blue Oval
Join Date: May 2005
Location: Karratha WA
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I've worked for RioTinto the past 2 & 1/2 years. After failing my TEE in yr 12 in 2003 i found myself working at Kmart for a few months, then moved onto a local Poolmart Store. i worked there for close to 4 years learning how to repair pumps, install pools and learnt a fair amount about chemicals etc.
I then saw an advert to become a Laboratory Operator at RioTinto which i applied for and was hired. Lucky for me the job wasnt asking for any real prerequisites. 2 &1/2 years later im earning 100K+ a year as a resident in Karratha, am midway through a Cert III in Laboratory Skills. And in a few months im going to apply for a mature age Electrical Apprenticeship with Rio. My pay wont change and i'll keep all my benefits. In the 7 years i've been in the workforce, i've seen friends leave town to Perth chasing their degrees at various universities. One has a Sports Science degree and now works as a TA on the Pluto Project, one got some Media degree and is currently getting a FIFO job to come back here as a labourer on Pluto, i could go on but the list is rather repetitive. It makes me wonder why these people bothered to live on the bones of their bums for 4 years if theyre just going to become labourers in the end?! Whats worse is some of these people have admitted they only want the big $$ so they can do a bit of travelling. Whilst i dont have any arguement with wanting to travel the globe while one is young. If tehy think getting a job in their chosen field is hard NOW, try getting one ina couple years when your finished travelling! No idea if this benefits the thread, but thats my 2c.
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sorry for the triple post my Explorer froze and i hit the Refresh a few too many times!
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and you think working your butt off for 3.5 years is long how many holidays did you have ?-4 weeks a year? i had two weeks off in 5 years you started on $12/hour($25000/year) and now earn 5-7 times that!!!! My trade paid me $20 extra a week after i qualified and the most you can earn is about $40k/year but I got that apprenticeship when youth unemployment was 40% (1989) p.s i spent 5 years partime studing and did not finish |
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