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12-04-2013, 01:06 PM | #31 | ||
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Its 7 years old but relevant...http://www.caranddriver.com/features...-save-ford-now
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12-04-2013, 01:31 PM | #32 | |||
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The way I see it is this...(just my opinion) Ford globally do not have a decent large sedan, talking E platform here not some souped up Taruas/Mondeo. There seems to be a market that BMW/Merc/GM amoung others play in. Linclon...whats going on there? So what is FoA good at? A few things but amoung them its unique capability is producing a high quality RWD sedan for the budget they have. Ford NA have the "need", we have the "skill"...it would be a similar deal to the Ranger with the exception that we would then continue to produce the Falcon/Tez here. I agree its nice to finally see someone say something that pushes the owners though. But being on a first name basis with the CEO of FoA is nothing when Ford NA tell FoA when to wipe their bottom.
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12-04-2013, 01:32 PM | #33 | ||
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Lets also be a bit honest here.
We don't want Ford to make "cars" in Australia, we want Ford to make large RWD T6 and V8 sedans and utes with a Falcon or derivative badge on them........ |
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12-04-2013, 01:36 PM | #34 | |||
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12-04-2013, 01:41 PM | #35 | |||
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The wealth and business activity in Australia flows basically from mining and primary industry.. |
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12-04-2013, 01:42 PM | #36 | ||
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Manipulate the currency?
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12-04-2013, 01:42 PM | #37 | |||
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Sustainability of the base platform is a totally different issue Daniel |
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12-04-2013, 01:43 PM | #38 | ||
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Exporting is all well and good, but if you can't build a car in Australia even for the local market without a handout, lets not forget all 3 makers do need handouts to stay afloat.
.yet every other country in the world can ship their product here by the thousands be it good or bad and still make a quid , you have to conclude we are getting the rough end of the trading stick. |
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12-04-2013, 01:44 PM | #39 | |||
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My self interest dictates that I would rather Ford have large volume vehicles flowing through the plant, i.e, Ranger. I know for a fact 335KW cars don't pay off my house any faster.
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12-04-2013, 01:48 PM | #40 | ||
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Well at least we are world leaders in nievity
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12-04-2013, 02:00 PM | #41 | ||
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One states purchasing policy wouldn't change much
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12-04-2013, 02:27 PM | #42 | ||
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12-04-2013, 02:38 PM | #43 | ||
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Ford need to make at least 30,000. Most of the government funding is contingent on car makers, and their suppliers, making 30,000 cars per annum, or parts for 30,000 cars per annum. I can't remember the exact figure, but Ford are getting around $90 million or so in gov. money. Their suppliers are probably getting multiples of that. Theres a good chance that if Ford dont maintain a production rate of 30,000 cars per annum, the cost to produce a local car goes up $6-7000. Not a good starting point if you are already losing money.
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12-04-2013, 02:44 PM | #44 | |||
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12-04-2013, 02:50 PM | #45 | ||
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The general, non enthusiast, public look at the FG and from side-on at least conclude nothing has changed for years, how wrong they are...how v sad!
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12-04-2013, 03:29 PM | #46 | ||
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Yes Brazen is correct, however the problems for our local industry started back in about 1978 when the government of the time started reducing import tariffs to encourage imports to balance the trade deficit. Unfortunately successive governments from both parties have continued this trend which has impacted the profitability of all local manufacturing and agriculture across the board. Now post GFC with the Aussie dollar one of the highest valued currencies it has just made an already bad situation much worse. When our dollar was low it was exy to import but you could make money from export, now our dollar is high imports are cheaper than ever and there is no money in export. A key factor here is that while ever our dollar stays high the industry will suffer even with exports. Interesting that the Japanese industry is suffering the same fate. However FULL credit to Mr Abbott for making the statement lets just hope that when he gets into power he has appropriate support from caucus to follow through with out opposition to his efforts from within.
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12-04-2013, 03:32 PM | #47 | |||
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12-04-2013, 04:19 PM | #48 | ||
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It could be that Ford cannot make and sell the Territory in the US for nearly half the price it’s sold in Australia, like Commodore is.
But seriously Perhaps it is a pipe dream for Abbott but Ford AUS really do need to change their direction somehow. because at the moment it’s looking like a bad investment for the Government
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12-04-2013, 04:38 PM | #49 | ||
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Pie in the sky political bull.
Ford US will never agree to Australian vehicles competing with there markets. The major problem is no 1st world country does not want to not have a car manufacturing industry. We need a vehicle manufacturing industry in case of war, the governe\ment of any persuasion will keep on pouring money into ONE of the major companies no matter what. The question is:- WHICH ONE? Holden or Ford. Toyota won't cut the ice, the USA is our defence partner. The other problem for Abbott is "Where is he going to get the money from?" Interesting time ahead folks. OT |
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12-04-2013, 05:10 PM | #50 | ||
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Cash for clunkers.. With a bonus for your "clunker" if you trade it on an Aussie made car.
Funded by the billions that Govcos been supporting the local auto industry.
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12-04-2013, 05:13 PM | #51 | |||
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12-04-2013, 05:14 PM | #52 | ||
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Better still... Cash for clunkers ONLY if you buy Australian made
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12-04-2013, 05:38 PM | #53 | ||
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The best way to shorten up the used car market is to force substandard vehicles off the road and crush them..
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12-04-2013, 05:46 PM | #54 | |||
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12-04-2013, 06:03 PM | #55 | ||
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Why does LHD matter anyway? Exports to the US would be on razor-thin margins, it wouldn't be worth it unless the volumes were huge.
Europe on the other hand, why can't Falcon and Territory be sold there where they would be up against more expensive "saloons" and SUVs from BMW, Mercedes and Audi? Obviously they can't compete with that competition on quality, but on bang-for-back surely they would make give them a run for their money. And no costly LHD development program. The only issue would be complying with EU emissions standards. |
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12-04-2013, 06:05 PM | #56 | ||
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12-04-2013, 06:27 PM | #57 | ||
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Lincoln MKR for USA and China:
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12-04-2013, 06:51 PM | #58 | ||||
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so which one of you two have owned an FG or FG2 for a period of time? i always laugh at these type of comments, insinuating that falcon is some second rate product that is missing endless features that all others offer. |
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12-04-2013, 06:55 PM | #59 | ||
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If nothing else it will give Ford USA a nudge to investigate how far the government is really willing to go, enough support for our industry and there are markets out there for the Territory and possibly upmarket Falcons in Europe, Parts of Asia and Sth Africa.
How did the initial run of 100 territory's go in Thailand? USA won't happen, but something like this could help bring a GRWD platform Into production in Australia. |
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12-04-2013, 06:58 PM | #60 | ||
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