Sydney Siege

[JC]

Originally Posted by Polyal

I have NFI how all the procedures work but I must admit that thought crossed my mind many times.

There were multiple cases where news crews had clear video footage of him crossing the window. They knew he was alone, possible had the chance.

I guess the risk is if they miss, and he survives, then all hostages could be killed?

Got to remember what happens in a video game isnt how it plays out in real life.

He had got one of the hostages to record a message saying he had 4 bombs in various locations, so I think the police initially were wary of that. The fact they didn't have a bigger safety cordon later means to me that at some point they realised he had no bombs, but then thought they'd wait him out.

[Robos F6]

Originally Posted by HULK_I6T

really sad day in Sydney.

The gunman covered a woman in petrol and set her alight in werrington about a year ago. How he is on the streets is unbeleivable.

Our Law system is a joke. How do these guys walk free? And the solicitors who try and get them off dont feel guilty at all.

[blueoval]

Originally Posted by Robos F6

Our Law system is a joke. How do these guys walk free? And the solicitors who try and get them off dont feel guilty at all.

Agree. It's all about the cash and finding loop holes in the system for solicitors.

[NTF6]

What a crap result, 2 hostages dead. They should have taken him out with a sniper bullet when they had the chance (and they had plenty of chances), only in Australia!!

USA, Canada, Switzerland, China etc would have done this and all the hostages would have been safe.

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by 2002au

As kevin bloody Wilson puts it,

Not all Muslims are terrorists, but all terrorists are Muslim. True scum of the earth

Last time I checked, the KKK and the IRA aren't Muslims.

[Road_Warrior]

Originally Posted by BOSS 540

All I would like to say is thank God (by the looks of it) there weren't any families with kids in there. Prayers to the victims, loved ones.
The ONLY other thing is, the gunman got a bullet.

Sorry mate, but the young lady who was killed had 3 kids, the youngest being 3. One media outlet claims she jumped in front of her pregnant friend because this grub levelled his gun at her.

So close to Xmas there is going to be a family sitting down on Christmas day, 3 little boys without their Mum. Heartbreaking, absolutely heartbreaking.

[XB GS 351 Coupe]

So the dirt bag that caused the siege and subsequent murder of innocent civilians was released on bail for 40 sexual assault charges and being an accessory to murder where a woman was stabbed 18 times and set on fire.

Magistrate Daryl Pearce said he granted this individual bail as a "simple matter of fairness".

Mr Conditsis(dirt bags lawyer) said outside court the magistrate "made a courageous decision" granting bail

…….well it appears the decision has really payed off for the Australian public.

Not sure how these people sleep at night, I wonder how they are feeling this morning??

[CoupeKing]

Originally Posted by NTF6

What a crap result, 2 hostages dead. They should have taken him out with a sniper bullet when they had the chance (and they had plenty of chances), only in Australia!!

USA, Canada, Switzerland, China etc would have done this and all the hostages would have been safe.

In hindsight yes.But early on we didn't know if he was working alone in there or had a bomb in his back-pack/Vest on a hair trigger. Once people started escaping and he didn't take any aggressive action, I thought there mite be some chance that this egg brain could be talked into letting everyone go, apparently not.

[galaxy xr8]

Originally Posted by BOSS 540

Yes, I agree what's your point?
Could have been a lot worse for everyone if there were children directly involved that's all. As a dad, Im relieved they were not.

My point being is that you don’t need to have children in the siege to be effected, one of the individuals killed was a prominent barrister with the world at her feet and had 3 young children all under 10, right before xmas, their world has now been turned upside down and I couldn’t imagine what they and the families are going through right now.

[Polyal]

Do you really think thats appropriate Syndrome? Its stuff like that which adds fuel to the fire.

[Road_Warrior]

Thank you to the NSW Police Tactical Operations Group for executing an op in such difficult circumstances.

No doubt there will be a review later into the Police response to determine if they could have done anything differently, but until then the "shoulda put a cap in him" calls need to stop. We weren't there, we could only see what the media allowed us to see, it appeared to be a rather difficult premises to enter due to the shop layout, single doorway and small windows, and don't forget there were claims of more gunmen and bombs as well - you can tell the coppers took the bomb threat very seriously because they had EOD people there all suited up ready to go.

They did the best they could in a split second and remember this isn't America where we shoot first and ask questions later, we're a peace loving country where we try and resolve things without bloodshed first.

Maybe our approach needs to change? Perhaps. But the time for that discussion is later when the dust has settled. Until then, remember these faces:

[Syndrome]

Originally Posted by Polyal

Do you really think thats appropriate Syndrome? Its stuff like that which adds fuel to the fire.

Yes I do.

[ford71V8]

Originally Posted by Polyal

Do you really think thats appropriate Syndrome? Its stuff like that which adds fuel to the fire.

But is he wrong?

[Mighty Reds]

I blame the legal system just as much as the religious nutter, if you don't stop loose cannons when you have the chance these tragic events eventuate.

Thinking of the families in their time of need.

[simon varley]

Originally Posted by ford71V8

But is he wrong?

yes..

[Polyal]

Originally Posted by ford71V8

But is he wrong?

Absolutely. And "humor" like that is not warranted.

[ford71V8]

I guess some see it differently

[snowcone]

Originally Posted by ford71V8

But is he wrong?

Not wrong and not inappropriate.
Would this Iranian individual be in this country now if we had adopted her policies?
I think not.
You shouldn't bag her out for wanting to keep Australia a peace loving country without the baggage the the middle east brings

[Polyal]

Originally Posted by snowcone

Not wrong and not inappropriate.
Would this Iranian individual be in this country now if we had adopted her policies?
I think not.
You shouldn't bag her out for wanting to keep Australia a peace loving country without the baggage the the middle east brings

She didnt last long for a very good reason. Can you imagine the place if she was running the show..FMD.

Australia was made on immigration..a fact that those touting PH views seem to forget, and infact many following her path have their own mixed gene pool so work that out...

Not that PH should have anything to do with this terrible situation.

[karj]

I don't remember Pauline Hanson warning us about insufficient bail laws.

[Syndrome]

So how many of his allocation of 72 virgins has he deflowered by now?

/end sarcasm

[jpblue1000]

Originally Posted by snowcone

Not wrong and not inappropriate.
Would this Iranian individual be in this country now if we had adopted her policies?
I think not.
You shouldn't bag her out for wanting to keep Australia a peace loving country without the baggage the the middle east brings

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_Bryant

compared to this home grown nutter yesterdays actions are almost irrelevant.
I feel for the families of all involved, this sort of tragedy is the culmination of many issues, failings and events. baying for blood and the cessation of normal human behaviour and rights wont bring them back, wont stop another event taking innocent lives.
But don't think for a minute this sort of action and the plethora of others we have been outraged by this year are anything but global societies failings when you dig to the real crux of the issues.

JP

[blueoval]

[mik]

This wacko should not have been out on bail.

[Yellow_Festiva]

Something happening in Parramatta now. Hope it's not another nutter...

[SB076]

Originally Posted by mik

This wacko should not have been out on bail.

Agreed, this is where our courts need to sit up and take notice. He is facing 40 or so charges including accessory for murder, yet someone thought bail was appropriate

[blueoval]

Originally Posted by Yellow_Festiva

Something happening in Parramatta now. Hope it's not another nutter...

Can you elaborate?

[kypez]

Originally Posted by Yellow_Festiva

Something happening in Parramatta now. Hope it's not another nutter...

Source? I cant find anything about it

[NTF6]

Originally Posted by CoupeKing

In hindsight yes.But early on we didn't know if he was working alone in there or had a bomb in his back-pack/Vest on a hair trigger. Once people started escaping and he didn't take any aggressive action, I thought there mite be some chance that this egg brain could be talked into letting everyone go, apparently not.

You don't need hindsight, YOU NEED FOR-SIGHT!!!!!

When in the history of the world does it ever turn out good with a radicalised hostage taker? If the TV cameras and photographers can get a full clear uninterrupted view of him like we saw then they had every opportunity to take him out without incident.

[karj]

Originally Posted by blueoval

Can you elaborate?

Originally Posted by kypez

Source? I cant find anything about it

Twitter users are suggesting possible bomb scare or threat in Parramatta and Wollongong. Can't verify.