Supercharged 380 maybe in production

[XR8-260]

Originally Posted by davway

but the 380 doesnt weigh 1600kg+ so you might be surprised.
the big problem will be traction i would think.

The 380 VRX weighs well over 1600kg (1670kg - wheels mag). The supercharged version would weigh a bit more.

[Kryton]

Originally Posted by 30487256

The 380 VRX weighs well over 1600kg (1670kg - wheels mag). The supercharged version would weigh a bit more.

well there you go. i stand corrected. it certainly doesnt look like its that heavy.

[Outbackjack]

If it was AWD with decent suspension I would buy one, no problems at all. Even if it wasnt as quick down the straight as the big boys, just think about the handling and braking...... It would be a blardy nice car.

[Steffo]

230kW 380? That's cool idea. I hope they do it. XR6 Turbo competitor?

[merlin]

I still think 200kw is the limit for a FWD chassis which is what the supercharged 380 will be. 230 is too much for FWD and not enough to be competitive with the XR6T IMO. (especially when you look at the aftermarket tuning options.)

From what I understand the car isn't intercooled hence it could make more power with an intercooler so that would be your first mod, though why mitsu chose to go supercharger instead of turbo has me puzzled - if they want the young crowd it is all about turbos, not to mention turbos are easier and cheaper to mod and in (once again in my opinion) far superior to a supercharger set up.

Although on the plus side it could make a good competitor to the Liberty GT and no doubt undercut it on price.

[Jeeepers]

From personal experience with Mitsubishi, I would never have another. But big power on a front wheel drive is a little hairy. I wouldn't like to feed it too much fat through a corner.

[Pedro]

Let's face it, the Neville Nerds of the car buying public who want a family sized car, generally don't know FWD from RWD. and buy Toyotas.
Enthusiasts who want a car with a bit of grunt won't go near a FWD.
Mitsubishi Australia can't compete with Toyotas advertising budget so they should forget large FWD family cars and concentrate on the small car segment (Lancer, Colt etc.).

[XBROO]

Look I don't know about you guys but the bonnet scoops looks a bit like XAGT tear drops. And same with the holden commy the scoops look like XBGTs ones. They most probley are different but they still look the same. Bloody copy cats stop ripping of our 70s cars.

[MITCHAY]

Originally Posted by merlin

I still think 200kw is the limit for a FWD chassis which is what the supercharged 380 will be. 230 is too much for FWD and not enough to be competitive with the XR6T IMO. (especially when you look at the aftermarket tuning options.)

From what I understand the car isn't intercooled hence it could make more power with an intercooler so that would be your first mod, though why mitsu chose to go supercharger instead of turbo has me puzzled - if they want the young crowd it is all about turbos, not to mention turbos are easier and cheaper to mod and in (once again in my opinion) far superior to a supercharger set up.

Although on the plus side it could make a good competitor to the Liberty GT and no doubt undercut it on price.

I would never buy one over a Liberty GT. The GT is benchmark IMO. If they could build a car as good as one then good on them.

I kept pace with an AWD Magna on some twisties. That thing was struggling for grip big time. Were talking normal cardigan driving in the wet.

Isn't their AWD system supposebly meant to derived from the EVO too? Might have been just my experience but the guy was wandering into my lane quite a bit.

[jnsxr6t]

Originally Posted by 30487256

The 380 VRX weighs well over 1600kg (1670kg - wheels mag). The supercharged version would weigh a bit more.

on Mitsubishis web site the heviest manual is 1635 (VRX).
for says the falcon weighs 1694 (xt)
so 1635KG and 230KW gives you 7.1kg per 1kw
and 1694kg and 245KW gives you 6.9kg per 1 wk
very close would all come down to traction.

[Ralliart]

Originally Posted by MITCHAY

I would never buy one over a Liberty GT. The GT is benchmark IMO. If they could build a car as good as one then good on them.

I kept pace with an AWD Magna on some twisties. That thing was struggling for grip big time. Were talking normal cardigan driving in the wet.

Isn't their AWD system supposebly meant to derived from the EVO too? Might have been just my experience but the guy was wandering into my lane quite a bit.

yes the new evo x has awd sysem in it.

[MITCHAY]

Originally Posted by Ralliart

yes the new evo x has awd sysem in it.

All EVOs are AWD as far as I'm aware. My question was aren't the Magna AWDs meant to be EVO derived?

[Ralliart]

Originally Posted by MITCHAY

All EVOs are AWD as far as I'm aware. My question was aren't the Magna AWDs meant to be EVO derived?

there is a few awd Magna's but not much them, i would love so more 380's become awd but what can u do

[Steffo]

Originally Posted by jnsxr6t

on Mitsubishis web site the heviest manual is 1635 (VRX).
for says the falcon weighs 1694 (xt)
so 1635KG and 230KW gives you 7.1kg per 1kw
and 1694kg and 245KW gives you 6.9kg per 1 wk
very close would all come down to traction.

XR6 Turbo's aren't quite that light...

1715kg manual, 1745kg auto.

That's 142.85kW/tonne manual and 140.40kW/tonne auto.

Compared to 140.67kW/tonne for the Supercharged 380.

[Bossxr8]

Originally Posted by jnsxr6t

on Mitsubishis web site the heviest manual is 1635 (VRX).
for says the falcon weighs 1694 (xt)
so 1635KG and 230KW gives you 7.1kg per 1kw
and 1694kg and 245KW gives you 6.9kg per 1 wk
very close would all come down to traction.

But the supercharged 380 will be even heavier again, add the weight of the supercharger, bigger brakes, body kit, LSD and bigger wheels. That would be at least 50kg.

[FPV8U]

Looks quite good!

But FWD, i'll pass thanks...

[gsr freak]

there is still no commitmnet from mitsubishi on this car been produced yet but i know of a guy who will be selling his evo9 to buy one as his wife wants a car easier to put the babies gear into

i think i will stick with awd thankyou

[FPV8U]

Originally Posted by gsr freak

there is still no commitmnet from mitsubishi on this car been produced yet but i know of a guy who will be selling his evo9 to buy one as his wife wants a car easier to put the babies gear into

i think i will stick with awd thankyou

Sucks to be that guy... :

[GXL078]

Ford have had a supercharged 3.8L for ever.

[TE50 027]

Got these pics from the Brissy Motor Show yesterday.

[TE50 027]

Price will range between $50,000 and $60,000

[Steffo]

If its $50-$60k then forget it. That puts it out of XR6 Turbo price range, and in the price range of the XR8 and F6 Typhoon. And well... no contest.

[[Tonko]]

Originally Posted by TE50 027

Price will range between $50,000 and $60,000

hmm,
mitsu 380, F6? XR6/8? GT? i'll take the mitsu, 50 grand of FWD fun!



/end sarcasm

[Dave_au]

Originally Posted by TE50 027

Price will range between $50,000 and $60,000

Talk is of $50,000 for the supercharged version and low 40s for the drag queen (supercharge-less) version.

Apparently initial plan is to build 50 - 20 supercharged, the rest without. I'd say at least 10, if not more of the original 50 cars will hit the MMAL exec fleet.

They have a cost issues that they need to sort out - one apparently was issues with Sprintex wanting to fit the supercharges in Perth, another is the use of Evo9 interior parts (seats etc).

[XR8-260]

Pricing would need to be in the mid 40s to be competitive with the SS and XR6T.

[merlin]

$50K - $60K forget it. Would have to be $45K to be competitive. Also regarding weight a manual XR6T is 1685kg vs 1635 for a VRX. Add the supercharger, piping, ect. ect. and weight will be the same if not more than the Falcon.

[Tommo224]

Saw this thing at the motorshow last year.. man.. it was hot as lol..

i wouldnt mind it!

itd be a battle between the xr6t, liberty gt and this.. but hmm..

front and rear doesnt bother me so much to be honest, id have to try all 3 before making a final choice :P

but at 50-60..? get stuffed lol..


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[Steffo]

Originally Posted by merlin

$50K - $60K forget it. Would have to be $45K to be competitive. Also regarding weight a manual XR6T is 1685kg vs 1635 for a VRX. Add the supercharger, piping, ect. ect. and weight will be the same if not more than the Falcon.

According to Ford's limited specs from their site, the normal 6-cyl Falcon is 1694kg. http://www.ford.com.au/servlet/BlobS...ge_specs,0.pdf

So I don't know how an XR6 Turbo... the same car with bigger brakes, an intercooler, a turbocharger etc etc is supposed to weigh less then an XT?

Even going by BA weighs that was impossible... XT - 1672kg, XR6 N/A - 1688kg.

[Ralliart]

Body : 4 Door - 5 Seat Sadan
Drive: Front Wheels
Engine: 3838cc V6, SOHC, 24v, Sprintax S3/335 Supercharger running @ 0.45Bar
Bore/Stroke: 95.0 x 90.0MM
Power: 230kw @5250rpm
Torque: 442@4000rpm
Redline: 60000rpm
Weight: 1650kg
Power to Weight: 140kw/Tonne
Transmission : 5 speed manual, TMR sport-spec ceramic paddle-type clutch and differential
0-100km: 6.0Sec
0 - 400m : 14.0Sec
Suspension: Koni Coil-over struts with fully adjustable bump and rebound (f); independent low mount muli-links, coil-springs, telescopic shock absorbers, anti-roll bar(r)

Brakes 354 * 32mm alloy hatmounted ventilated and slotted discs. Alcon six-piston calipers (f); 302 * 18mm ventilated one piece rotors, Brembo four-piston Calipers ( r ), ABS, EBD

Wheels ROH Flare, 19 * 8, 5 *114.3, PCD, +35 OFFSET
Tyres GoodYear Engle F1 GS-D3,235/40R19 XL 96Y


and some pics

[jagga]

sry if my opinion here is gonna jack a couple of u fans off but to me that only looks like a tamed down VE gts... just my opinion