Covid 19 -

[FairmontGS]

Originally Posted by T3rminator

One wakes up this morning and its...

‘PANDEMONIUM’: Crisis talks as Victoria braces for snap virus lockdown

‘Very live outbreak’: Cluster spikes

Holiday Inn COVID-19 cluster swells to 13 after another two contacts test positive



Snap lock down should have occurred right from the beginning. But 13 over the course of several days is hardly to get your jollies over. This might make people think there was some sort of rort they were trying to keep off the headlines.

On that note, welcome to Victoria FairmontGS

Personally, I'll start getting twitchy if they start identifying unlinked cases, or cases outside of the "3rd circle".

Not there yet, flight leaves GSS Airport soon...

[T3rminator]

Originally Posted by FairmontGS

Not there yet, flight leaves GSS Airport soon...

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Hope you are not hanging around Brunetti cafe at T4.

[Work Horse]

Tough times again my fellow Melburnians, lets remember what we all need to do!



To the toilet paper isle my friends, last one there watch out paper towel chafes!

[DJR-351]

Originally Posted by Work Horse

Tough times again my fellow Melburnians, lets remember what we all need to do!



To the toilet paper isle my friends, last one there watch out paper towel chafes!

https://twitter.com/Mad_Morris/statu...495560/photo/1

[Citroënbender]

You gotta roll, roll, roll
You gotta thrill my soul, alright

[Work Horse]

Originally Posted by Work Horse

Tough times again my fellow Melburnians, lets remember what we all need to do!



To the toilet paper isle my friends, last one there watch out paper towel chafes!

Rinse and repeat!

[russellw]

Data valid as at 00:00 GMT February 11th, 2021.

Note: As not all Australian States report at the same time, the data below is based on the previous full day reporting.

6 new cases for Australia and no deaths so the CMR is 3.148%.

0 new cases and no deaths for NZ so CMR is 1.076% and active cases 54.

The UK had 13,494 cases yesterday and 678 deaths.

Just over 97k new cases in the USA yesterday and 4,986 deaths sees CMR up to 1.734%. That's the fourth consecutive day under 100k cases. Note that the USA is actually minus one day due to time differences.

Other notable points:
Global cases pass 108M, the last 1M in 2 days;
North America passes 32M cases;
North America passes 700k deaths;
Europe passes 100 deaths per 100k of population;

No countries

... recorded new daily highs; those in blue for the second consecutive day and those in red for a third or more consecutive day.

[Bossxr8]

Time for Daniel Andrews to step aside, and put someone in who has a clue how to manage quarantine. Cause the vic government operations are clearly useless. The fish rots at the head.

Funny how no other states continually need to lock down.

[Citroënbender]

It (lockdown) will become a predictable black comedy routine for Victoria. Why not at least try cajoling the public to go for 120K of tests per this weekend in conjunction with self-enforced low exposure behaviour, and shape a response on the data?

[Bossxr8]

5 day stage 3 lockdown. Thanks again Dan. Maybe your quarantine team will get it right one day.

[GasoLane]

Originally Posted by Bossxr8

5 day stage 3 lockdown. Thanks again Dan. Maybe your quarantine team will get it right one day.

The ABC has it as stage 4. Whats difference between the two?

[russellw]

Originally Posted by GasoLane

The ABC has it as stage 4. Whats difference between the two?

It is a Stage 4 which basically means:

Only four reasons to leave your home: shopping for the things you need, care and care-giving, exercise and work, if it is essential. The 5km limit applies.

Exercise is limited to five kilometres from your home.

Face masks will need to be worn indoors and outdoors.

No visitors to your home. No public gatherings.

No school but child care and kindergartens remain open.

Gyms, pools, community centres, entertainment venues and libraries will close.

All non-essential retail will close - cafes and restaurants will only be able to offer take-away.

Hotel and accommodation providers will be able to stay open to support guests already staying but no new bookings can be made.

[Citroënbender]

From an outsider’s point of view, Victoria seems a state governed in the last decade or more by ideas of restriction, punishment and revenue. The masses of Covid breach fines, a surfeit of hidden speed cameras, the seemingly permanent generation of a new branch of bureaucracy managing state entry passes… The new lockdown was no surprise but disappointing nonetheless.

[FoxtrotGolfXray 5.0]

Originally Posted by russellw

It is a Stage 4 which basically means:

Only four reasons to leave your home: shopping for the things you need, care and care-giving, exercise and work, if it is essential. The 5km limit applies.

Exercise is limited to five kilometres from your home.

Face masks will need to be worn indoors and outdoors.

No visitors to your home. No public gatherings.

No school but child care and kindergartens remain open.

Gyms, pools, community centres, entertainment venues and libraries will close.

All non-essential retail will close - cafes and restaurants will only be able to offer take-away.

Hotel and accommodation providers will be able to stay open to support guests already staying but no new bookings can be made.

Just to add, Russ, if I may, the exercise is also limited to 2 hours per day.

A full list of the full restrictions is available here.

[russellw]

I've been supportive of the last two lockdowns but this one seem a little too far reaching (being whole of State) and severe at Stage 4. Counting today, Victoria has had 10 cases in the last 7 days - half the number that NSW has recorded although quite a few of the Victorian ones are community transmission.

Having said that, it is what it is and presumably if case numbers don't get worse it will end next Wednesday so it more a minor disruption than anything major.

Still, it begs the question: is this our future COVID Normal?

[Vesper Martini]

[QUOTE=russellw;6545708]I've been supportive of the last two lockdowns but this one seem a little too far reaching (being whole of State) and severe at Stage 4. Counting today, Victoria has had 10 cases in the last 7 days - half the number that NSW has recorded although quite a few of the Victorian ones are community transmission.

/QUOTE]

Have to agree Russ, we live down the Peninsula, a long way from where these cases are, let alone the people living in rural towns.

I guess the problem is there's still Muppets driving from Sunbury to Arthurs' seat to watch the sunset.. etc regardless of what their told.

[Work Horse]

Originally Posted by russellw

I've been supportive of the last two lockdowns but this one seem a little too far reaching (being whole of State) and severe at Stage 4. Counting today, Victoria has had 10 cases in the last 7 days - half the number that NSW has recorded although quite a few of the Victorian ones are community transmission.

Having said that, it is what it is and presumably if case numbers don't get worse it will end next Wednesday so it more a minor disruption than anything major.

Still, it begs the question: is this our future COVID Normal?

I agree it does seem an over reaction. The explanation as I understand it; the Sydney outbreak was standard Covid 19. The Sydney outbreak actually spread here (Black Rock outbreak) and we did not go into lock down.

The latest outbreak at Holiday Inn is the much more contagious "UK variant". The same variant that forced Adelaide and Perth to go into snap lock downs. So that being the case it begs the question, why have we waited this long to call a snap lock down?

Apparently contact tracing is proving difficult because when someone tests positive, their close contacts are already infectious. So we need a "circuit breaker" if the contact tracers have any chance of getting on top of this.

Interesting week coming up, and yes I believe this is Covid normal unfortunately.

[oldel]

Originally Posted by Work Horse

I agree it does seem an over reaction. The explanation as I understand it; the Sydney outbreak was standard Covid 19. The Sydney outbreak actually spread here (Black Rock outbreak) and we did not go into lock down.

The latest outbreak at Holiday Inn is the much more contagious "UK variant". The same variant that forced Adelaide and Perth to go into snap lock downs. So that being the case it begs the question, why have we waited this long to call a snap lock down?

Dan was probably afraid of another lock down (Politically speaking, and also the economy, mental health etc of vics). After he got over that he became afraid of being accused of "too little, too late" if it spread so quick.

So he went with a "little much, much later"

[Itsme]

Originally Posted by russellw

I've been supportive of the last two lockdowns but this one seem a little too far reaching (being whole of State) and severe at Stage 4. Counting today, Victoria has had 10 cases in the last 7 days - half the number that NSW has recorded although quite a few of the Victorian ones are community transmission.

Having said that, it is what it is and presumably if case numbers don't get worse it will end next Wednesday so it more a minor disruption than anything major.

Still, it begs the question: is this our future COVID Normal?

With the UK variant virus on the loose our government and health department are **** scared of it spreading and getting out of control; this is the reason why all of Victoria has gone into stage 4 lockdown and not just Melbourne.

[T3rminator]

Originally Posted by russellw

I've been supportive of the last two lockdowns but this one seem a little too far reaching (being whole of State) and severe at Stage 4. Counting today, Victoria has had 10 cases in the last 7 days - half the number that NSW has recorded although quite a few of the Victorian ones are community transmission.

Having said that, it is what it is and presumably if case numbers don't get worse it will end next Wednesday so it more a minor disruption than anything major.

Still, it begs the question: is this our future COVID Normal?

Agree with everything said. Source of the 13 cases are all known, and so fars its just close contacts. Unless they know something more they aren't telling us.

Anyhow it's just 5 days, hopefully. Snap lockdown should have happened on day 1.

[FairmontGS]

Originally Posted by Tickford.

It's almost like Dan Andrews had seen all of your anti-Dan Andrews/VIC/Melbourne posts on here, knew that you were on your way to Melbourne, waited until you had boarded the flight, and then...... LOCKDOWN!!

Yes, the irony wasn't lost on me.

But to slightly correct you I have nothing against Melbourne/Victoria, just the bumbling fool Andrews and his corrupt and incompetent ALP Spring St cohort

Shifted the family bash to Friday night and now enjoying the weekend with Mum and Dad who I haven't seen since Dec 2019.

Originally Posted by Mont5.0

I wonder if the shoe was on the other foot, what Gladys would have done?

Oh wait, she didn't close the borders.

give it up tickford, once again you:

Aunty Glad doesn't need to shut borders because she has a properly funded, competent state health infrastructure that has so far dealt with what's been thrown at it.

The mood around the table had changed - there was a feeling that the populace have been spun a line regarding the reformed ability of Victoria Health's contact tracing and the anger directed at the Gold Standard State is more nuanced now - it was "how come NSW has made the same slip ups but always seems to recover and get away from it and we Victorians don't?"

As my dear old ALP-to-the-day-he-dies Dad said this morning after throwing The Age down in disgust... "Someone thought flashing coloured traffic lights north was a substitute for actually doing their jobs"

[cheap]

Let me get this straight, these lockdowns in NSW, Qld, SA and Vic are because there is

A bunch of people with UK C19
Zero people in ICU
Zero people dead

Either Australian GovCo Health has become the galactic super health system or we keep on dodging bullets or UK C19 ain’t as bad as the claim?

[T3rminator]

Here, I corrected it for you...

Originally Posted by FairmontGS

Aunty Glad doesn't need to shut borders because she has a properly funded, competent state health infrastructure that has so far dealt with what's been thrown at it other states do the responsible thing and restrict their residents movement during an outbreak, thereby protecting the rest of Australia.

Maybe this is Dan's master plan to get Victorians first access to the vaccine

[wodahs]

Originally Posted by T3rminator

Here, I corrected it for you...



Maybe this is Dan's master plan to get Victorians first access to the vaccine

and i half expected your reply to state
she has a properly funded, competent state health infrastructure by crown casinos gold standard

[Itsme]

Originally Posted by T3rminator

Agree with everything said. Source of the 13 cases are all known, and so fars its just close contacts. Unless they know something more they aren't telling us.

Anyhow it's just 5 days, hopefully. Snap lockdown should have happened on day 1.

The problem with the UK virus it spreads and infects more quickly which is a bit of a worry for the contact tracing teams who are not able to keep pace with this quick spreading virus, this is a big game changer for the health authorities which explains why most of the states borders have shut and we are in an lock down state wide.

Don't be surprised if the 5 day lock down extends and see what cross border infections that could emerge.

This is a quote that should not be underestimated and where did these people travel to.

Victorian authorities estimate up to 5,000 people moved through an airport terminal listed as a key coronavirus exposure site

[T3rminator]

Originally Posted by Officemanager

The problem with the UK virus it spreads and infects more quickly which is a bit of a worry for the contact tracing teams who are not able to keep pace with this quick spreading virus, this is a big game changer for the health authorities which explains why most of the states borders have shut and we are in an lock down state wide.

Don't be surprised if the 5 day lock down extends and see what cross border infections that could emerge.

This is a quote that should not be underestimated and where did these people travel to.

I don't doubt the scientists, but something is very odd. Both QLD and WA had carriers running around in public with the UK variant for 3-5 days, but it didn't transmit to anyone other than their close partners. All the co-workers of the airport cafe case has returned negative.

I wonder what the KPI will be to lift restrictions after day 5. How many additional cases would be "acceptable"?

Originally Posted by T3rminator

I don't doubt the scientists, but something is very odd. Both QLD and WA had carriers running around in public with the UK variant for 3-5 days, but it didn't transmit to anyone other than their close partners. All the co-workers of the airport cafe case has returned negative.

It's probably not fair to say that they didn't transmit the virus to anyone other than their close partners. If 100% of the population was tested and all came back negative, sure, we could probably then say they didn't transmit the virus. But not everyone is getting tested when they're showing symptoms and not everyone will even show symptoms so will feel they don't need to be tested.

Wastewater testing has confirmed the presence of the virus in multiple places at multiple times across Brisbane. It *is* in the community. Infected people just aren't getting tested.

[wodahs]

ya gotta know when to hold them
ya gotta know how to fold them
and ya gotta know when to run

theres no wipin ya bum
till the deed is done

kenny rodgers view on tp

[Bossxr8]

Originally Posted by GasoLane

The ABC has it as stage 4. Whats difference between the two?

Yeah it's stage 4. My bad.

Originally Posted by russellw

I've been supportive of the last two lockdowns but this one seem a little too far reaching (being whole of State) and severe at Stage 4. Counting today, Victoria has had 10 cases in the last 7 days - half the number that NSW has recorded although quite a few of the Victorian ones are community transmission.

Having said that, it is what it is and presumably if case numbers don't get worse it will end next Wednesday so it more a minor disruption than anything major.

Still, it begs the question: is this our future COVID Normal?

It is if Dan Andrews, and his "gold standard" quarantine guards remain in place.

[russellw]

The NSW mirroring of the lockdown for people in the State who entered from Victoria after 29/1 is also a bit harsh - the bride has been caught up in that but at least there is no need to rush leaving NSW as she already has a valid entry permit for Vic.