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07-01-2010, 07:29 PM | #61 | ||
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I will shortly have the FPV vs HSV comparative data (just waiting for December to arrive) but there is no data that I know of for the FoA breakdown.
I shall ask and see if they have them available. Cheers Russ
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07-01-2010, 11:49 PM | #63 | ||
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Russell, thanks for the graphs and the write-up, they were well worth the read.
I know why the Mondeo isn't selling. It's butt ugly. It's face reminds me of Avalon's.
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Besides, we both know styling hasn't nearly any where near as much to do with sales as people will have you believe. The new car sales charts are covered in high selling poorly styled vehicles. Toyota anyone.....
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There is a major difference between the Mondeo and FG.
I wouldnt be seen taking my nana to a do in a Mondeo but would make sure she would take photos if I dropped her off in an FG! Perception is everything!! The FG looks cool while the Mondeo in my opinion....well...nothing to write in the year book!! And yes...Toyota have come along way...if it wasnt for the XB Coupe..I would be Pro Toyota all the way!! Have had my Rav4 since 2004 and I love it!! Absolutely love it! although fuel economy could be better but that is beside the point.. Ford are doing a great job but they are failing to listen to consumer feedback. Why ask for it if you dont want it? (Gets ready for the flames...)
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As for Mondeo like i say, i've been a fan of its styling since it first launched in europe. For me, while i like the surfacing of the FG it is a tad too conservative (though i realise that has been done for a reason...).Mondeo is more edgy and chunky then FG....maybe this is why some don't like it. Funny thing is that in europe it is now seen as being quite conservative (it has been out a while), cars like the opel insignia are much more 'out there'. Its all taste i suppose. As i said, most people i speak to like it. I drove on a pre-launch test from FoMoCo here in brisbane (there weren't even any at dealers at that time) and got ALOT of interested looks from people during the 1hr drive i spotted a good 10 people looking at the car.....there were even patrons of the golf club that Ford was using as the base coming up and asking questions about it. I'm not entirely sure if the heavy Falcon support has not closed people's minds to the mondeo. Sure the FG is a great car, and the mondeo may not styled quite the same, but i think Ford fan's themselves undervalue the vehicle. Of course, the competitive deals on FGs mean its tempting to go that way....oh and the significntly greater horsepower is another LOL! EDIT: It's worth point out that the 'premium' end of the medium car market is not that big, so with mazda 6 and honda accord having such an existing rep, its not easy for Ford to make headway. To me, it seems as though it is the non-existing Ford buyers that need to be lured in...only then will mondeo build a nameplate for itself. Either way, with ecoboost engines on the horizone with lower fuel burn and even better performance i hope it gets to stick around....
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The FG is rather "chunky"
Was Ford going for a stylised look?? It certainly does not appear so!
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Avalon, Keelan, is the epitome of dullness and outright boredom (when I look at one I feel like it has to be written off to look better). It's almost as ugly as VE, and ties in second ugliest car of all time with the Ssangyong Actyon. Datsun 120Y is a master stroke next to the Avalon. Now, the fact that Mondeo's headlights have even the slightest resemblance to Avalon's, dear swordy, now that is bad my friend. I'm not talking about the general theme, but the face, which looks good if you were to cover it's eyes, the Avalon eyes, Keelan. It has the body of Elle, and the face of Susan Boyle. Who has a nice voice, by the way.
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I could not agree more!! Are we the only ones going against the trend?
Well I have always been a trend setter and NEVER liked MC Hammer Pants..(who was wrong...I ask you?!!) and I still say on the whole...Ford Australia have it wrong....Market to its strengths...not it;s weakenesses....
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Everyone agrees the avalon is poorly styled. In fact the 'updated' model they released made it look worse. Funny though because most of the other kinetic models dont' run the mondeo style headlights...sure they are all pushed back but they have been cut different. Maybe they are working on a different angle now..... How about fiesta headlights...now that is a headlight (if they go back much more they will join the a pillar LOL!) And it sells quite a bit better then the old model...oh if manufacturers could just get the headlights right imagine how much better many cars would look.... PS. RE the VE...yes that is a car with a very very overhanded bit of styling. Super chunky i call it......
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Fiesta's headlights have a similar THEME to that of Mondeo. And they're executed a lot better, and have no resemblance to that... thing.
It looks like it's face has been used as a door stop. Note the kink! An evolution of this is the Mondeo. Mondeo needs a paper bag over it's head. Or maybe some very very dark sunglasses. Can anyone photoshop this with a 120Y front end? No startled looking eyes here. I took this way off track, sorry. But I'm right. It's ugly. Colleen agrees with me, I rest my case.
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Female friend driving the Omega in the wet, light throttle, back end kept stepping out before being arrested by ESC. The fact a non-car enthusiast can't drive the thing without it constantly lighting up ESC and stepping out everwhere is pretty bad in my eyes. Apart from that the electronics are all falling apart - stereo always shuts down randomly as does the A/C (very common in VE's). The electrical gremlins are all well known don't know how anyone can dispute them.
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The Mondeo presents an interesting dilemna. From a distance I have mistaken the upper models for a G6E (blame the chrome or my old eyes) but it is a very effective package in terms of internal dimensions and value added features but probably priced too close to Falcon at similar specification levels.
We can expect the Falcon to head in the same fundamental styling direction - the FG a case in point - and with the similar packaging buyers are a bit spoilt for choice. I'm not suggesting that Mondeo will steal signifcant sales from Falcon (there isn't enough volume for it to have any major impact) but it is a viable alternative if space and the choice of more fuel efficient powertrains are on the shopping list. It's a bit different from the Cortina era - as a package the Cortina offered considerably less interior room than Falcons of the era but this is not the case with Mondeo which near enough matches (or exceeds) the FG. The only major drawback I can see in the Mondeo is the fairly average performance in the petrol version - it is a heavy car for the external dimensions and it merits a powerplant that does it justice. Even the turbo (which works so well in the Focus) is hardly a ball tearer when saddled witht the extra mass of the Mondeo. I'd be interested to see the model breakdown for Mondeo - but I'd be fairly sure it's heavily slanted toward the diesel (it certainly was early in the model cycle) and the premium models - they make more sense than the entry level models when the FG Falcon is in the same showroom. Cheers Russ
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As for the petrol atmo...yeah it is a weak point (though it is the biggest NA petrol we can get...). BUT, when updated it will get ecoboost engines (2.0 low blow probably) so i think fuel burn will go down, and performance up. It is a valid alternative to the falcon....esp if the falcon does not go diesel (which accoring to ford aus will not be happening any time soon...)
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wow..im going out on a limb here (it only has to be a small limb too)...and im gunna say u barely have a breath off modern taste in u. I could list 20 cars with worse lights then that...and falling in love with a rav 4 is sooo wrong....they are dead in the water those ythings...seriously dude : |
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I think the Mondeo is a beautiful car. I really like the classy look.
But, the standard petrol motor doesn't do it justice. The XR5T goes much better, ie quite well with low 7s from rest to 100, for fractionally more fuel. The diesel is quite nice too. For not much more, you can get an FG.
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Take another look through the point I was making. The Mondeo's good looks are ruined by the stupid head and tail light designs.
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I like the look of the Mondeo. Infact i like the look of all 3 euro-centric models. What i don't like is the motors offered in the Mondeo's armoury.
2.3 lack's punch, as for the other 2 option (2 litre diesel and 5 cylinder volvo motor), I'd go the Focus for the all important power to weight factor, and still get to use these excellent motors. Infact i did, bought a diesel focus 2 years ago, it went that well on the test drive. Great car. Gonna miss it. What they should do is stick a barra in one. Be a winner, but driving with the back of the motor as the center console may not be a winner |
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Thanks Russ... i see the 2 : 1 V8 to I6T sales split is unchanged from 2008 despite everything....
I wonder how much Coyote will impact that..?
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As good as the Falcon is, and without doubt it is certainly best in class, the sales figures being 50% down on its direct competitor is nothing less then disappointing from a Marketing & Sales perceptive.
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Likewise (in answer to a question asked earlier) the Stats for the Ford and Holden performance models (non HSV/FPV) are posted in the Tech area now.
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It's not a big surprise to see the 8 selling so well in FPV land. There are 7 V8 models offered versus the 3 I6T models offered (discounting the obsolete F6X). I think FPV would be very happy with there I6T sales considering the wise spread of models available for the consumer.
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