Will we ever beat cancer?

[Yellow_Festiva]

Originally Posted by LG17

We seem to start getting on top of one kind of cancer then another jumps up to take its place.
It's a hard slog in more ways than one.

Try to generate a list "Things that can cause cancer" and see how screwed we all are.

There has to be a huge 'ground breaking' step in prevention / detection / treatment like when we discovered penicillin, immunisation, anesthesia, antibiotics, X-Rays etc.

I always feel like we are simply confused and chasing our tails while hoping for the best when it comes to cancer.

[mick taylor]

Originally Posted by Yellow_Festiva

Try to generate a list "Things that can cause cancer" and see how screwed we all are.

There has to be a huge 'ground breaking' step in prevention / detection / treatment like when we discovered penicillin, immunisation, anesthesia, antibiotics, X-Rays etc.

I always feel like we are simply confused and chasing our tails while hoping for the best when it comes to cancer.

One could generate a list of what was let go to run rampant and the reasons why, not to mention why they are not public known or advertise the facts, but you can find the facts if you really bother to.

Political Correctness is a cancer and this has killed more people than all others combined.

[zipping]

Originally Posted by Syndrome

I hope so. My father told me last Wednesday he has cancer.........................

Hope he beats it and know how you feeling.

My niece is only 7 and fell over picking up a toy and broke her femur.

Turns out she has a rare bone cancer called osteo sarcoma.

On the plus side she is amazingly resilient to Chemo, but she goes in tomorrow to operate on her leg to try and knit the bone and it will be the first time they lay eyes on the cancer itself.

9 hour operation, hoping for the best.

So many types of cancer I'm sure they will cure some eventually.

[FoxtrotGolfXray 5.0]

Originally Posted by zipping

Hope he beats it and know how you feeling.

My niece is only 7 and fell over picking up a toy and broke her femur.

Turns out she has a rare bone cancer called osteo sarcoma.

On the plus side she is amazingly resilient to Chemo, but she goes in tomorrow to operate on her leg to try and knit the bone and it will be the first time they lay eyes on the cancer itself.

9 hour operation, hoping for the best.

So many types of cancer I'm sure they will cure some eventually.

I wish your niece all the very best, zipping. One thing kids have on their side is that they are still growing. Older folk don't have that on their side, unfortunately.

[xxx000]

Originally Posted by 78xcgxl

Like oil companies keep trying to stop electric cars. IMO the cure the cancer is delayed and held back by big business. There is big money in cancer. Greed is out of control and doesn't help when the government of this country is run and controlled by big business.

That's ridiculous and nothing more than a conspiracy theory that you provide no proof for

Some of the world's wealthiest people have died from cancer

If your idea was true then we'd have no medical breakthroughs yet we regularly do. Look at the HPV vacinne recently produced, polio vacinne etc etc

Solving cancers is imho made more difficult by the raft of so many charities dedicated to cancer. They each spend so much time raising money, holding events and then potentially duplicate one anothers research. Not a good use of the funds they raise imho.
A central body, government funded would be more sensible

[NickosBF2XRT]

the cancer industry in a multi billion dollar a year business, you think their gonna give that up...no chance. Sorry to burst your bubble guys...the aim is too keep us sick...

[GasoLane]

Originally Posted by NickosBF2XRT

the cancer industry in a multi billion dollar a year business, you think their gonna give that up...no chance. Sorry to burst your bubble guys...the aim is too keep us sick...

Seven years ago I had Prostrate Cancer and now I don't. Must be a miracle and I don't even go to Church!

Two years ago my wife had Non-Hodgkin Lymphoma, now she's all clear. Who would've thought, two Miracles in one household!

[PhilT2]

I was at a fundraiser run by Samuel Johnson this afternoon. He's somebody on the teevee which I don't watch but his sister died from breast cancer so he's touring Aus raising money for cancer research. Check out his site Love your sister and donate to protect boobies.

[xxx000]

Originally Posted by NickosBF2XRT

the cancer industry in a multi billion dollar a year business, you think their gonna give that up...no chance. Sorry to burst your bubble guys...the aim is too keep us sick...

Who's "they" and who is in on your conspiracy? Doctors, medical specialists, researchers?
and they're all prepared to lie and let family members die of cancer rather than work to find cures?

[XB GS 351 Coupe]

We have already beat it, but big Pharma is making a killing (excuse the pun) out of it. Cancer is a huge money maker.

Some simple facts:

1) For most cancer inflammation is the root cause.

2) Most inflammation is caused by grain/seed consumption, processed food consumption, smoking, alcohol, sugars and anti nutrients contained in plant foods which are mostly toxic to humans.

2) Cancer almost exclusively feeds on Carbohydrates.

Now the answer is almost obvious, I mean nothing works 100% of the time, but here we can reduce 95% of the risk factors just by looking at the three points listed.

[GasoLane]

Originally Posted by XB GS 351 Coupe

We have already beat it, but big Pharma is making a killing (excuse the pun) out of it. Cancer is a huge money maker.

Some simple facts:

1) For most cancer inflammation is the root cause.

2) Most inflammation is caused by grain/seed consumption, processed food consumption, smoking, alcohol, sugars and anti nutrients contained in plant foods which are mostly toxic to humans.

2) Cancer almost exclusively feeds on Carbohydrates.

Now the answer is almost obvious, I mean nothing works 100% of the time, but here we can reduce 95% of the risk factors just by looking at the three points listed.

[zipping]

Good news on my niece.

Been a tough 2.5 weeks, poor kid had one broken leg woke up with 2 very sore legs.

Apparently, small children very difficult to get pain meds right so my sis has had very little sleep but both are at home tonight.

Biopsy back and they got it all and you could tell the Dr was relieved.

Over the hump, all recovery now but still 6 months of chemo to go.

[XB GS 351 Coupe]

Originally Posted by flappist

The reason there was not as much cancer 1000 years ago was we were nearly all dead by the time we were 40 and 1000 years before that 30 was really old.

You are confused about statistics. we have always lived roughly the same ages, but without a lot of degenerative diseases.

But back in the day there was a high infant mortality.

Three people are born, two die at birth (quite common back in the day) one lives to be 90, average life expectancy is 30, where realistically it's 90 if you survive birth and don't get eaten by a T Rex.

Statistics can be manipulated to show anything you want.

'Water is deadly to drink.' how do I know this? Every person that has died has drank water at some point, there is a 100% association between drinking water and death.

'Firefighters cause fires.' how do I know this? Every fire I have seen fire fighters were there.

[MattSAU2XR8]

Bit late to the party on this one too.

Condolences to anyone whose family has been affected. Mine has, and its not been good.

Cancer isn't a single disease, although cancers are a group are largely looked after by one group of doctors, namely Oncologists.

And so some are being beaten, some may be in the near future, and some probably won't be in our lifetimes.

Examples include:
- Cervical cancer was caught earlier by Papp smears, and is now being prevented by HPV vaccines, but this is a cancer caused initially by a virus
- Bowel cancers more often detected now by stool tests looking for blood, and with early detection, fairly wide excision, and follow up chemo, are reasonably often cured.
- Slow growing tumours such as glioblastoma brain cancer which do not have clear margins, and occupy tissue that can't be sacrificed are very rarely cured.

Main problem in most of the incurable ones is that the immune system can't recognise the cells as 'foreign' since they are missing genes/proteins rather than having extra ones, they aren't susceptible to poisons that the rest of the body can tolerate (eg. chemo), they don't cause symptoms until they have spread, and that they can often evolve to become 'immune' to chemo drugs.

So unfortunately the truth is that not all cancers can be beaten in the near future. If looking for the outlook for a particular cancer, then Medscape is a good starting point. Just do a google search for (Medscape Stomach Cancer) for example. It may ask you to login but signup is free...

[Syndrome]

Originally Posted by XB GS 351 Coupe

We have already beat it, but big Pharma is making a killing (excuse the pun) out of it. Cancer is a huge money maker.

Some simple facts:

1) For most cancer inflammation is the root cause.

2) Most inflammation is caused by grain/seed consumption, processed food consumption, smoking, alcohol, sugars and anti nutrients contained in plant foods which are mostly toxic to humans.

2) Cancer almost exclusively feeds on Carbohydrates.

Now the answer is almost obvious, I mean nothing works 100% of the time, but here we can reduce 95% of the risk factors just by looking at the three points listed.

Do you also believe in chemtrails?

[jpd80]

What's even worse is when you have an autoimune disease like progressive MS and the main treatment
is to take down the immune system to stop it attacking your body, unfortunately the main side effect
is that it open the person up to attack from cancer and other opportunistic diseases. people with MS
and suppressed immune system cannot undergo Chemotherapy due tho their already weakened state.

My wife and a friend of hers were sharing the same MS journey when the friend was diagnosed
with stage 4 Lung cancer, the poor darling was only 56 and passed away earlier this year, far too young.
We've had our close calls but still here and still full of life.

Not meant as a sympathy story but to share that living in the shadow of the disease and being a carer
gives me a unique perspective on life and actually living every moment. In spite of all the shyte, we will
be going to the Fleetwood Mac concert in Brizzy tonight, disabled park right near the entrance, wheel her
in the chair so that able body people don't knock her over when they just have to be first and walk in front.
People are generally good and make way when they see someone in a chair, amazing the attitude change.

[b0son]

Originally Posted by NickosBF2XRT

the cancer industry in a multi billion dollar a year business, you think their gonna give that up...no chance. Sorry to burst your bubble guys...the aim is too keep us sick...

The only thing bursting is brain cells...

[b0son]

Originally Posted by XB GS 351 Coupe

1) For most cancer inflammation is the root cause.

Genetic mutation is the cause in ALL cancers. Sometimes those mutations arise through dumb luck (our replication error repair mechanism misses one, and the mistake is one within a subset of cancer-causing genes), or environmental factors (mutagenic substances which cause replication errors).

2) Most inflammation is caused by grain/seed consumption, processed food consumption, smoking, alcohol, sugars and anti nutrients contained in plant foods which are mostly toxic to humans.

Red meat and saturated fat also cause inflammation. A plant-based diet is widely considered to be less inflammatory than one which contains meat.

2) Cancer almost exclusively feeds on Carbohydrates.

Many cancers can quite easily metabolise ketone bodies. Some cancers grow faster and are more likely to metastasise on ketone bodies.

[XB GS 351 Coupe]

Originally Posted by Syndrome

Do you also believe in chemtrails?

What are you attempting to say?? Please point out a single thing I have stated that is incorrect. Please back it with facts not fantasy.

[XB GS 351 Coupe]

Originally Posted by b0son

Genetic mutation is the cause in ALL cancers. Sometimes those mutations arise through dumb luck (our replication error repair mechanism misses one, and the mistake is one within a subset of cancer-causing genes), or environmental factors (mutagenic substances which cause replication errors).



Red meat and saturated fat also cause inflammation. A plant-based diet is widely considered to be less inflammatory than one which contains meat.



Many cancers can quite easily metabolise ketone bodies. Some cancers grow faster and are more likely to metastasise on ketone bodies.

Ok if you say so, you do you, and I'll do I.

Say hello do Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny when you meet them.

[Charliewool]

Originally Posted by XB GS 351 Coupe

We have already beat it, but big Pharma is making a killing (excuse the pun) out of it. Cancer is a huge money maker.

Some simple facts:

1) For most cancer inflammation is the root cause.

2) Most inflammation is caused by grain/seed consumption, processed food consumption, smoking, alcohol, sugars and anti nutrients contained in plant foods which are mostly toxic to humans.

2) Cancer almost exclusively feeds on Carbohydrates.

Now the answer is almost obvious, I mean nothing works 100% of the time, but here we can reduce 95% of the risk factors just by looking at the three points listed.

What a lot of rot! (Is there ANYTHING that you ain’t an expert on?)
Explain babies born with cancer?
And this tinfoil hat garbage regarding pharmaceuticals really grates on me!

[XB GS 351 Coupe]

Originally Posted by Charliewool

What a lot of rot! (Is there ANYTHING that you ain’t an expert on?)
Explain babies born with cancer?
And this tinfoil hat garbage regarding pharmaceuticals really grates on me!

Why would I want to explain babies with cancer?? They are sick babies. Life is not all pink Unicorns and Rainbows.

May be re read what I wrote slowly and out loud to yourself, or you could get an educated adult to explain it to you, it's quite easy to comprehend, but it might just be be another thing you struggle with.

PS there was no mention of Babies with cancer or any other person with cancer, I was simply mentioning risk factors in healthy adult populations.

[PG2]

Once again, a sensitive topic that could very well be helpful to some AFF members on here being spoilt by a very few.

Could we please stop with the bullish comments and treat this thread with the sensitivity that it deserves. There could be other members on here suffering from this disease that want to simply read about anything that may give them hope - not google experts wanting to argue. As I have said before, this is not Facebook.

[b0son]

Originally Posted by XB GS 351 Coupe

Ok if you say so, you do you, and I'll do I.

Well, only one of us has a PhD and used to work in cancer research... I'll leave it for others to decide whether to believe that person, or believe the guy that lifts weights....

[Gypzy]

Originally Posted by PG2

Once again, a sensitive topic that could very well be helpful to some AFF members on here being spoilt by a very few.

Could we please stop with the bullish comments and treat this thread with the sensitivity that it deserves. There could be other members on here suffering from this disease that want to simply read about anything that may give them hope - not google experts wanting to argue. As I have said before, this is not Facebook.

Although i have had cancer, and beat it nearly ten years ago now, my wife, (and i for that matter), are at the buisness end of her cancer. Until now ,i've just been sitting on the side observing and looking over this, and some other relevant threads just killing time until i need to do something for, or to administer some pain relief medication for the wife. We are set up now for her to spend her days at home, and as myself as primary carer.
The wife was told a while ago that this is terminal and there is nothing anyone could do! I took that on the chin and accepted that. She can't beat this cancer. Maybe we could of sold up and had a cry on Faceless book to gather up a couple of hundred thousand bucks to go oversees for some miracle treatment but this one won't be beat! My cancer was, hers is not!
So i hope for a start that this thread isn't closed because of informed, or uninformed statements. I hope that one day Cancer can be beat. Yes it certainly keeps alot of people employed and there is a heap of dollars involved but at the end of the day, lets just hope. Hope Cancer can be beat.

[CoupeKing]

Eventually, yes, but something else will take us out - that's how nature works. You really think you will live to 100?

My Grandfather on my mums side died from heart failure at the age of 42 - my mum was one of 11 kids, bar one, all alive and aged 64 for the youngest.

[Citroënbender]

One of my closest friends starts chemotherapy tomorrow.

For him, it will extend his life an unknown amount. An undetected cancer spread through his body until it was - suddenly - no longer undetectable. He is stressed, terrified, and it’s compounded by his present choice to tell almost nobody. Maybe a dozen people know.

He and I talk about “the barbed wire fence”, alluding to the prison camps. Even if one escapes, there will be scarring. Yes, I will be there for him as a brother, unlike so many of the hollow offers to help, but it doesn’t change the deep sorrow at being unable to take on some of the physical suffering.

[FTE217]

All the best to your friend, hope he gets more extension with life than not.

[Citroënbender]

My mate and I regularly check in with each other, we have a lot of overlap both in our careers and extended family situation. Today we caught up in town, went for a walk and a chat.

He’s into Round Four of the six chemo doses. Lost most of his hair, his voice has gone up, he’s lost muscle tone and also a lot of his self-confidence. Plus his employer is unravelling by virtue of both foreign machinations and a management shortcoming they can’t address.

Cancerous lesions have now been detected in his spine, and the doctors were urging an immediate halt to chemotherapy to commence radiotherapy. He’s not giving ground - yet - he wants to see where the chemo has pointed him before any further steps are taken.

I heard of an oncologist who had basically not read the patient notes at all before a consultation. It’s hard to imagine how dismaying that would be, paying someone to be ill-prepared for consulting on a life-defining condition.

He’s complaining of being emotionally numbed; unable to experience emotions other than anger and frustration. I’d guess that is partly from internalising trauma but without qualifications to probe this, I can only encourage him to talk about it - which I hope is better than saying nothing.

In a nutshell, treatment has so far not provided much immediate “good” to him, but has certainly allowed time to resolve fringe issues more decisively.

[danzvtil]

Bloody hell, I hate conspiracy theories, especially ones that suggest the Illuminati are holding back on cancer cures.
Can you imagine, the pharmaceutical companies, who make billions providing what they do now, how much they will make once they have the cure for cancer? TRILLIONS! Having a cure for cancer doesn’t mean there is no more cancer, the human condition and entropy will see to that. It means they will for evermore be able to charge to fix people up. People who live longer become consumers of more pharmaceuticals.