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Well we know what they said about the R8 - It was fairly good, but here's an "Australian" road test -
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Very good episode. Good review of the HSV product. It really hasn't got much going for it in the looks department and that footage doesn't do it any favours.
The front has nothing going on, its plain boring and non descript, the overall shape pleasant enough but Clarkson has it right. It’s just not a pretty product in sport guise. Clarkson's commentary during the lap was sensational. Don’t take him too seriously. What the HSV is is a very good performance package for the price and HSV should be proud of that achievement. As an Australian I am proud of HSV top Gear achievements. They have done very well.
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Avid Top Gear watchers, like myself, will know that said by Clarkson, Hammond, May and The Stig... a wet lap is generally 4-seconds slower then a dry one (and they have done tests that prove this theory). The 1:31.3 by the VXR8 in the wet therefore would be 1:27.3 in the dry. M5 did 1:26.2. 1.1 seconds on a 1:30 lap is total destruction, but the VXR8's lap is much more impressive then it seems at first. They also don't mention that the VXR8 is actually faster then the M5 0-200km/h (13.5 vs 13.8 seconds), and in UK based acceleration tests has done a 12.5 second quarter to the M5's 12.4.
£63,995 for a 500hp V10 M5 in the UK and £35,000 or so for the VXR8? All that techo-BS, DOHC 40-valve V10 with 500hp @ 7750rpm and 384ftlbs @ 6100rpm and a 7-spd sequential manual gearbox can barely stay infront of a 6.0 Pushrod V8 with 411hp @ 6000rpm and 406ftlbs @ 4800rpm and an old fashioned 6-spd manual... a crappy old T56 at that. BMW Ego just got a spear through the gut just then. And I'm loving it. ![]() ![]()
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If you look at the power/weight ratios the Beemer should be miles faster than the pushrod powered Holden (215 vs 168kW/tonne). Anyways, I'll watch Top Gear tonight and see what Mr (I am your GOD) Clarkson thinks of it ![]() ![]()
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That would be because it is the R8 version not the GTS so it isn't really that funny.
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http://www.fastestlaps.com/index.php...=469bd8971bc4a Before you try and say anything, that site is like a database for data from European car magazines. Things like Sport Auto, EVO etc etc. The M5 has 373kW and 520Nm at 1755kg. The Vauxhall VXR8 has 307kW and 550Nm at 1812kg. 169.42kW/tonne and 303.53Nm/tonne for the VXR8 and 212.53kW/tonne & 296.29Nm/tonne for the M5. You're also assuming that both manufacturers are telling the truth about how much power their cars make and how much they weigh. You're also not figuring in the fact that until you're in mega revs the BMW has no power at all. 520Nm @ 6100rpm vs 550 @ 4800. The GM car also has more torque at any specific point in the rev range then the high-strung no guts below 5k BMW does. And finally, don't take craptastic Aussie magazine times to heart because they all suck. The guys that take an 11.8 sec Gallardo and do 13.36 in it, an 11.7 sec 911 GT2 996 and do 12.5s and etc etc. Just because they can only do low 13s at 12-sec or better trap speeds in Aussie sedans doesn't mean someone GOOD will aswell. Both our FPV's and HSV's are greatly underrated against things like the M5, E63 AMG, S6 etc. Just because they have the badge doesn't instantly make them totally superior. Having driven a Supercharged E55 AMG (2003) and a BF F6 Typhoon I can definitley tell you that... well... the Merc three-pointed badge is not worth $162,090 more then the F6's Blue Oval badge.
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The car in the review was also sporting a Wortec exhaust so who knows what else they might have done to it to impress the TG presenters?
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I checked that website in your post and from all the figure's comparing the M5 with the VXR8, I'm going to assume that 0-200kph time for the VXR8 is a typo...they probably meant 16.5sec which sounds more realistic if you consider they officially cover the quarter in low 13's... Agreed the M5 has a very peaky engine but it's also geared so that under full throttle acceleration, it never drops below 5000rpm which is why it's faster than an E55 after about 150kph because torque doesn't matter that much after those speeds, you need lot's of horsepower to get from 150 to 200kph quickly and the 13.8sec 0-200 time for the M5 is believable given it's tight geared 7-speed box and 500bhp. The R8 doesn't have the blistering topend of the M5 so it will never hold a candle to the M5 unless it's in 400hp mode ![]() On a side note the guys at the MBWorld forum's with E63/E55's are trapping between 112-116mph (180-187kph) completely stock and depending on outside temps and elevation with PB's between 12.4-12.9sec so I wouldn't consider them slow. ![]()
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At the end of the day, the BMW is still the better product over all. And so it should be with its price tag... but I'm tipping that 99% of the people who have the cash to splash on either vehicle will opt for the M5. I know I would.
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Am i the only person that thinks Jeremy Clarkson is a d!ck? He attributes almost everything to a badge and complains about the tiniest things, among others....
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That women on Fifth gear. Typical Pommie wench. Bags out the HSV as being Australian, and then at the end after the drive thanks Vauxhall for building a fantastic car. I've watched a few of her stories and she really hates anything Australian. No time for her. She makes me want to vomit.
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I thought it was good to see aussie an car on Top Gear. I didn't mind that it was a holden.
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:o the video got taken down damn a day too late.
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ha ha ha no wonder petrol prices are going up, with holdens spilling oil everywhere, its becoming scarce and pushing the barrel price through the roof. its not iraq's fault after all!!!
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