Commodore prices slashed to 1997 prices !!! - Page 3

Pat Riley · 16-06-2010, 02:12 AM

The thing is I don't Holden cares as much about its losses than other companies. I mean yes they care, but they also know that the government will bail them out if things go pear shaped. It wouldn't suprise me if they have been temporarily operating at a loss recently just to maintain that # 1 selling badge and are just awaiting for the release of the series 2.

**Fordman1** · 16-06-2010, 05:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Paxton

How many do Ford have planned?

It was on track for zero, however things beyond Ford's control have caused a couple.

I take it they're still doing Saturdays as well?

I hear there is a 5 day Shut down in July - this was planned 6 months ago , unlike the 13 Holden downdays.

ltd · 16-06-2010, 08:09 AM

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Originally Posted by ST

Holden are incredibly smart. The Falcon has been closing in fast and would have overtook the Commodore very soon IF Holden hadn't done anything significant enough about it. Looks like they just did. Holding the number 1 spot in sales is much more important than people think.

Yes you are absolutely right.
Although dropping your prices will never guarantee sales, and market perception is important.
I'd rather be Number 2 and make a profit than be Number 1 and make huge losses. Isn't it the exact same way its playing out in the USA?
As for Ford getting rid of some old plated stock before the end of June, this is done purely as a dealer initiative to avoid depreciative costs associated with the finance they have on each vehicle.
To put it into perspective, imagine how us FG owners would feel if Ford said; "From now on XT's are 25K drive away, G6's 30K drive away, XR6's 30K driveaway etc etc" ?

Smoke Pursuit · 16-06-2010, 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by ltd

Yes you are absolutely right.
Although dropping your prices will never guarantee sales, and market perception is important.
I'd rather be Number 2 and make a profit than be Number 1 and make huge losses. Isn't it the exact same way its playing out in the USA?
As for Ford getting rid of some old plated stock before the end of June, this is done purely as a dealer initiative to avoid depreciative costs associated with the finance they have on each vehicle.
To put it into perspective, imagine how us FG owners would feel if Ford said; "From now on XT's are 25K drive away, G6's 30K drive away, XR6's 30K driveaway etc etc" ?

They arent old plated cars.. Fords doing it across the range. you can buy 2010 G6E sedans for 39880 drive away.. Most of the cars are March - May Plated!

You guys think Holden are they only ones doing it, FORDS doing it too!!

flappist · 16-06-2010, 11:12 AM

The term "old plated cars" is a scam made up by the car sales industry.

There is no difference what so ever between a 12/09 and a 01/10 FG Falcon except a number on a sticker but they have artificially created this "fear" that it is an old one close to its use by date.
Australia is one of the few countries in the world who actually have this system, most of the rest of the world have a MYxx nomenclature.

Chopped · 16-06-2010, 11:35 AM

I always like how people mention "resale" and how it will be affected by price drops. THIS IS NOT NEWS - it has happened forever.

Buy a car, you will lose money. This happens to every brand.
The exception being "godly" cars like GTHO.

Slightly off topic, but speaking of better ways to advertise the bigger cars, I like this Chrysler one for their muscle car >

The Aussie brands need to pull the "Aussie" heart strings of buyers.

BAxtER · 16-06-2010, 11:52 AM

falcon G6 demos at nova ford are on sale for 29,990 drive away.. not a bad price. i wonder if theres any limited edition G6's left and how much would they be??

EgoFG · 16-06-2010, 12:02 PM

resale is important as it determines fleet sales.

It is not as important to the individual, especially if they replace cars less often than every 6 years.

For a company that is dependent on fleet sales, managing resale (compared to your peers) is vital.

Is GM Holden Commo dependent on fleet sales ?
We Know Ford AU Falc currently is NOT

Smoke Pursuit · 16-06-2010, 12:04 PM

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Originally Posted by BAxtER

falcon G6 demos at nova ford are on sale for 29,990 drive away.. not a bad price. i wonder if theres any limited edition G6's left and how much would they be??

Q Ford have 2 in silver.. 33 kay apparently.

ltd · 16-06-2010, 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by bfiipursuit

They arent old plated cars.. Fords doing it across the range. you can buy 2010 G6E sedans for 39880 drive away.. Most of the cars are March - May Plated!

You guys think Holden are they only ones doing it, FORDS doing it too!!

Perhaps, but the dealer who buys the car from ford has it on finance and would rather turn it over before the end of the financial year. This is to avoid depreciative costs. Further, as end of financial year is a time when businesses are looking at reducing their tax bill by purchase of capital items, what's the harm in ensuring they come to you first?

Paxton · 16-06-2010, 12:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Barraxr8

I hear there is a 5 day Shut down in July - this was planned 6 months ago , unlike the 13 Holden downdays.

Any reason behind this?

Ford aren't exactly over stocked at the moment.

Smoke Pursuit · 16-06-2010, 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Paxton

Any reason behind this?

Ford aren't exactly over stocked at the moment.

Stocks getting back up there again.. Its not like it was!!

BAxtER · 16-06-2010, 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by bfiipursuit

Q Ford have 2 in silver.. 33 kay apparently.

thats very good value! im sure that could come down by around another couple on a quiet week day.

Quicksand · 16-06-2010, 02:58 PM

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Originally Posted by EgoFG

resale is important as it determines fleet sales.

It is not as important to the individual, especially if they replace cars less often than every 6 years.

For a company that is dependent on fleet sales, managing resale (compared to your peers) is vital.

Is GM Holden Commo dependent on fleet sales ?
We Know Ford AU Falc currently is NOT

In 2008 65% of Commodore sales went to fleet - http://www.drive.com.au/Editorial/Ar...rticleId=59992

In early 2010 it was stated that approximately 75% of Commodore sales went to fleet - http://www.fordforums.com.au/showthr...eet+percentage

For private buyers handing over their hard earned, the Falcon is their choice.

aussie muscle · 16-06-2010, 03:17 PM

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Originally Posted by flappist

So how do you think those who own a new to three year old Commodore feel about this?.

"Time to trade in"

Joe5619 · 16-06-2010, 03:58 PM

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Originally Posted by EgoFG

Is GM Holden Commo dependent on fleet sales ?
We Know Ford AU Falc currently is NOT

I keep reading this one on this form, but I'm yet to see any backup to the comment "Ford AU Falcon is not dependent on fleet sales".. Is this really truth or just wishfull thinking??

1TUFFUTE · 16-06-2010, 04:18 PM

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Originally Posted by bfiipursuit

They arent old plated cars.. Fords doing it across the range. you can buy 2010 G6E sedans for 39880 drive away.. Most of the cars are March - May Plated!

You guys think Holden are they only ones doing it, FORDS doing it too!!

wow u really like pointing out ford is doing it too....but the point is...ford remains profitable and holden isnt. That alone is proof that OVERALL it is done cositantly by holden in there bid to stay no1. If ford did at as much as holden they too would bwe in the negative all the time. Holden apears to fail over and over again. Wow and i hear the new interior mods are gutless anyhow.....anyone wanna buy a brand new ten year old holden..bwahaha

1TUFFUTE · 16-06-2010, 04:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Joe5619

I keep reading this one on this form, but I'm yet to see any backup to the comment "Ford AU Falcon is not dependent on fleet sales".. Is this really truth or just wishfull thinking??

''yes it appears to be true..Look at the above facts. Again no doubt because holden is always willing to slash prices for the sales...meh

flappist · 16-06-2010, 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by aussie muscle

"Time to trade in"

But getting stuff all for their trade must hurt.

If they were buying a commie the odds should be even......but they won't.

PANELCORP · 16-06-2010, 06:50 PM

Fleet sales have been leaving the 6 cyl market for some time now

There are very few fleets that are solely 6 cyl these days

We repair plenty of fleet cars and the Toyota badge is the most prominent with a suprising new contender chasing them in several areas (Hyundai)

Falcon and Commodore sales are still dominated by fleet with Government, Rental and ABN holder sales boosting numbers -

plus

the fact that Holden now give "the holden owners grant" to anyone sees every sale really being a fleet sale as the RRP is a distant memory for that car

Joe5619 · 16-06-2010, 07:22 PM

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Originally Posted by 1TUFFUTE

''yes it appears to be true..Look at the above facts. Again no doubt because holden is always willing to slash prices for the sales...meh

There is no FACTS in this thread, nor can I see any FACTS on other websites.. It just seems to be a something that has grown from not much at all!!

phillyc · 16-06-2010, 08:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Joe5619

There is no FACTS in this thread, nor can I see any FACTS on other websites.. It just seems to be a something that has grown from not much at all!!

This from the previous supplied links sounded factual enough to me.

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Less than 2000 sales separated Corolla and Commodore by November 2008, prompting Holden to market a near $10,000 discount on the Commodore with a $29,990 driveaway deal for the 60th-anniversary model that helped deliver the large car’s best sales month of the year.

Holden says fleet customers accounted for about 65 per cent of total Commodore sales

Bossxr8 · 16-06-2010, 09:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Paxton

Any reason behind this?

Ford aren't exactly over stocked at the moment.

Annual leave, scheduled into the calender last year. Done every year.

Stocks are not getting too high, Broadmeadows ran last Saturday and may be doing it again this weekend or next.

Demand has not dropped off at all.

Bossxr8 · 16-06-2010, 09:21 PM

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Originally Posted by bfiipursuit

Stocks getting back up there again.. Its not like it was!!

They wouldn't be running Saturday overtime if they were overstocked.

Maybe you should check your facts before making these sort of comments.

Romulus · 16-06-2010, 10:02 PM

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Originally Posted by ltd

Imagine the effect it's going to have on resale of used commodores. Also, the depreciation those who paid full price will now have to suffer.
Well done Holden for making what I thought was bad value even worse.

Bingo.

They've already been caught out once before (Adventra) having to send customers rebate cheques for bastardising resale values - here we go again!

Romulus · 16-06-2010, 10:07 PM

edited....wrong thread.

Paxton · 16-06-2010, 10:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Bossxr8

Annual leave, scheduled into the calender last year. Done every year.

Stocks are not getting too high, Broadmeadows ran last Saturday and may be doing it again this weekend or next.

Demand has not dropped off at all.

That is good on both accounts then. At least it isn't because of too much stock. I take it Geelong is working its proverbial arsé off to keep Broadmeadows fed then?

Joe5619 · 16-06-2010, 10:30 PM

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Originally Posted by phillyc

This from the previous supplied links sounded factual enough to me.

And NONE of them talk about Fleet to private buyers for the Falcon (which is what my comment was all about!!).. If I'm so wrong, how hard is it to point me to the right place?? Then I'll shut up..

naddis01 · 16-06-2010, 10:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Joe5619

I keep reading this one on this form, but I'm yet to see any backup to the comment "Ford AU Falcon is not dependent on fleet sales".. Is this really truth or just wishfull thinking??

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Originally Posted by Joe5619

There is no FACTS in this thread, nor can I see any FACTS on other websites.. It just seems to be a something that has grown from not much at all!!

You ask and you shall receive. Make of it what you will.

These are Year-To-Date figures....

Holden Commodore - 18,428

Private - 4,972
Business (small fleet) - 6,114
Business (large fleet) - 1,397
Rental - 1,451
Government - 3,005
Not For Profit Organisation - 185
Other - 1,304

Ford Falcon - 13,349

Private - 2,274
Business (small fleet) - 4,133
Business (large fleet) - 1,737
Rental - 2,744
Government - 1,528
Not For Profit Organisation - 414
Other - 519

Joe5619 · 16-06-2010, 11:35 PM

Thanks Naddis01... If those figure are correct then Falcon sell less to private & rely more on fleet/ government sales than commodore... Not what most of here will have you believe!!!