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The higher trim Mondeos have it, the base Ambiente doesnt. Probably saves them $1.20.
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I really like the look of this car, I think it’s one of only a few models that Fords front design language actually looks good.
Any chance they are working on an ST version?? If they did (in manual), it would be a tossup between Mustang & ST Mondeo for me. Without a manual performance model the Mustang wins hands down as my Falcon replacement. However, both are a compromise from my XR6T Falcon :( :( |
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I saw a blue hatch today. It looks fantastic in the flesh. It only had the mondeo badge but I think it was a titanium. It had privacy glass and the moon roof. The front looks sensational but they should have updated the rear lights. The interior is much more up to date than the previous model. The screen looks huge.
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Ford Australia has previously confirmed that it will not source a direct replacement for the large rear-wheel drive Falcon when production ends, leaving the Mondeo as the sole mid-to-large-size passenger offering in its line-up. However, Mr Katic said Ford would not push the Mondeo as a Falcon replacement as the two models appeal to different buyers. “We don’t say that Mondeo is going to be a Falcon replacement. We think Falcon has been a tremendous product for us. An incredibly passionate, loyal customer base that we love and we wouldn’t say that Mondeo is your Falcon replacement. “We sell a rich mix of XR6 Turbos, XR8s, we are trying to build more of them and that is the heartland of Falcon and you have a lot of Falcon buyers who demand that rear-wheel drive experience so we are not for a moment saying Falcon customers come and buy a Mondeo. Obviously we will communicate with them, as we do all our customers, letting them know there is an all-new Mondeo and from a dimension point of view it is not far off. “But an XR8 buyer is not looking for a front-wheel drive Mondeo. We want to pay respect and homage to Falcon and if those buyers want to buy it, awesome, but we are not looking to transfer them over.” Quote:
FORD'S all-new Mondeo could gain a performance-honed ST variant down the track, while a hybrid powertrain is also locked in for the latest version of the Spanish-built mid-sizer, according to Ford’s local marketing boss. The fourth-generation Mondeo launched to the media in Canberra last week after a lengthy two-year delay, with one diesel and two petrol powertrains and three specification levels on offer ahead of its showroom debut in May. Ford offered the sporty XR5 Turbo version of the previous-generation Mondeo, powered by a 162kW/320Nm Volvo-sourced five-cylinder turbocharged petrol engine, but it was discontinued in 2010. The ST moniker adorns both the Fiesta light hatch and the Focus, and is becoming something of a performance sub-brand for Ford globally. Speaking with GoAuto at the media drive for the Mondeo, Ford Australia general manager of marketing David Katic hinted at the possible development of an ST-badged Mondeo, and said the company's local arm is keen to add such a model to its line-up, should it get the green light. “I’d love to do one,” he said. “You can imagine an ST version would look beautiful. Obviously we play our cards close to our chest but we think it is an opportunity for us down the track once we get established in the marketplace, but the car would naturally suit that sort of thing.” Late last year the Blue Oval announced it would bring its global engineering and racing teams and its performance car development under the Ford Performance banner, and confirmed it would launch 12 new performance vehicles by 2020. |
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Looking at the advertising and kit, these cars should be flying out of the showroom, but i think its the problematic recent years have left question marks on them ,
i would love to see ford do something like they did with the XP`s and run them around a track non stop for 8 days and prove they are not going to end up on a tilt tray heading back to the dealer, i think this would make a difference. |
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Is the Mondeo actually 2.1m wide compared to the Falcon being 1.86m wide? If so its not going to fit into my garage without mirrors being tucked in....
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And why would they happily lose customers to BMW or Merc when the Mondeo has many of their safety features (just not their reputation, yet)? Let's hope the supply issues of the past will stay exactly that, with so many new/updated models this year we can't have 70% of potential sales (Ranger/Everest/Mustang/Mondeo/Focus) made with customers who have had a frustrating wait.
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However, if you're prepared to cross the Rubicon and embrace FWD then, sure, the Mondeo and other models will be good substitutes. But the guy said "we are not looking to transfer them over.” That's pretty explicit and I guess they've calculated they won't suffer much damage from losing those customers because in the whole picture their numbers aren't large. |
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Dimensions: 4871mm (L), 1852m (W), 1482mm (H), 2850mm (WB) I am not sure if that width includes the mirrors or not though, I would have thought yes. |
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Its 2.1 with mirrors, Falcon is 1.86 without mirrors.
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I think they're well aware Falcon fans, especially those buying XR's, aren't likely to consider Mondeo. No use in cramming it down their throat, different market and buyer. If a product is no longer viable and the only similar product available doesn't satisfy the same customer, there's no use in flogging a dead horse. You need to find other ways to satisfy that customer... Mustang, Edge, Everest, etc. They'll never satisfy everyone, no manufacturer does.
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i would say upwards of 80% of the buying public wouldn't know what their car had and wouldn't care.
i have a falcon and a focus. i could easily live with a focus. unless you are driving like a tool, you'd be hard pressed to notice which wheels are driving the car in modern cars. |
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![]() I agree that fords comments about mondeo not replacing falcon customers is fair. If they had come out saying mondeo was the direct replacement for falcon.....this thread would be full of all the haters whinging about that. |
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Vf facts show sales....not people's knowledge of what their car has and if they care or not. Nearly everyone I know knows exactly if there car is a fwd or rwd, or if it's a diesel or petrol. Must be like 90%.(still doesn't mean that's the case aus wide) But that's a big swing from your -80%
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For me, internal dimensions are more important - a failed car design is one that's big on the outside but small on the inside. You have to live in the car on a regular basis. Falcon's front seat shoulder room is 1523 compared with 1429 for Mondeo. Rear seat Falcon 1518, Mondeo 1410. (Territory for comparison is 1548 front, 1528 rear.) Mondeo's cargo space is huge but the Falcon wagon is no longer available to compare with. However, they all lack the integral cargo net that allows you to safely stack luggage to the ceiling, so effective safe capacity is that below the cargo cover/blind and manufacturers won't own up to that more real-life figure. Both Falcon and Mondeo are as heavy as the lighter large SUVs so there's not a lot of advantage in that regard. Personally, I find high step-in crossovers generally nowadays have progressed so far in design that they make a more attractive family car. Here's an interesting Top Gear review and background of Mondeo: http://www.topgear.com/uk/car-news/f...ive-2014-10-07 |
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I think that width figure was internal dimensions
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You're right, they're the internal front seat widths as pointed out further down in my post. Holy smoke, what was I thinking? Mea culpa, it must have been the wine. Thanks guys for the corrected figures.
Re cargo nets, not sure if we're talking about the same thing. I mean an extendible net that rolls up to the ceiling from the cargo cover in order to stop loads moving forward in a crash: ![]() This increases the capacity of the cargo area significantly by allowing you to stack up to the ceiling. It's also flexible and can be stowed instantly, unlike the rigid metal barrier than has to be fixed or removed. |
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Had a look at some pics last night of the new wagon I'm a big fan but not at that price tag.
They should have build the full size version in the FGX XR8 family wagon where you can have your cake and eat it too |
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You should see the fun around the Snowline during Winter, with people putting chains on the wrong end.
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They should be putting chains on all wheels no matter what wheels drive it...lol.(edit, mind you this is often a new car issue because of traction control systems and so on.) in mt hotham,(for eg) the biggest problems we used to see were always people thinking their AwD car is more capable then it really was. Some of them are plain useless.....but tyres are a big part of that too.
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Ive seen chains on the front of a Hiace Commuter bus before.
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