2018 SS (VXR) Commodore (slower than an Aurion...)

[sixman]

Originally Posted by malazn mafia

VF2 was the closest the lame lion ever got to emulating the Falcon ergonomics, interior design, refinement and driving experience, it will be missed. It was as much of a makeover to the lousy VE, as the BA was to the AU.

Lol! Dude, what planet are you living on?

[ebv8]

the Commodore VXR might have some competition with the new camry v6, the camry has 225kw now

[mike_nofx]

Originally Posted by BENT_8

I was always of the impression that SS on Australian cars simply referred to Sports Sedan, I don't think the engine size or configuration mattered.
The first SS was Holden's answer to the GS Falcon, for those who wanted sporty without the performance factor.

It’s possible that’s what it means.

But ok, why with most other models of commodore could you buy a near identical car, one with a V8 and one with a V6 and they call the 8 an SS and the 6 an S or SV6? VE onwards particularly so. The only difference between a SS and SV6 is 2 cylinders. The VY SV8 was a strange one, basically a V8 executive with bigger wheels.

[Elpaterico]

Through work I drive both FG Falcons and VF Commodores. The Holden wins hands down in all areas except maybe Economy. But who gives a **** about economy when you get all that extra acceleration and torque. For have really let slip. As the great rivalry between the two has come to an end. Holden are the clear winners...


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[arronm]

In the end it doesn't matter. There is no more of each

At least I own a few good holdens and Ford's

[Whitey-AMG]

Originally Posted by Elpaterico

Through work I drive both FG Falcons and VF Commodores. The Holden wins hands down in all areas except maybe Economy. But who gives a sh.t about economy when you get all that extra acceleration and torque. For have really let slip. As the great rivalry between the two has come to an end. Holden are the clear winners...


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There is no clear winner. Both are extinct.
In 3-5 years time i’m sure we’ll find out which are the more collectible and valuable.

[arronm]

So what is the new falcon?

[arronm]

What is the new territory?

[au350hp]

Originally Posted by Elpaterico

Through work I drive both FG Falcons and VF Commodores. The Holden wins hands down in all areas except maybe Economy. But who gives a sh.t about economy when you get all that extra acceleration and torque. For have really let slip. As the great rivalry between the two has come to an end. Holden are the clear winners...


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One persons opinion....on a Ford enthusiasts site mmmkay?

[Mechan1k]

Originally Posted by arronm

So what is the new falcon?

What is the new territory?

Retired Gracefully.
The way it should be.

[Ford17]

Originally Posted by mike_nofx

Yes I’ve now stood correct multiple times that SS 6 cylinders exist.

Personally though I feel this is wrong and it’s insulting to the second S to be missing 2 cylinders!

Originally Posted by BENT_8

I was always of the impression that SS on Australian cars simply referred to Sports Sedan, I don't think the engine size or configuration mattered.
The first SS was Holden's answer to the GS Falcon, for those who wanted sporty without the performance factor.

The VP V6 Commodore SS, along with the 6-cylinder EB SS, were both made in very limited numbers at the same time, purely as Group E (production car) homologation specials.

I don't think they were for sale to the public as such, and never appeared again after that.
So Commodore SS's were always V8's, bar those few VP V6 SS's made for Group E racing.

I recall Holden marketing, when finally acknowledging the V6 SS existed, said they had "identified the smallest of niches - guys who want a V8 but cannot get them insured".

[au350hp]

Originally Posted by Adrenaline

0-100 is largely ****, I'll give you that. But I think 80-120 is fairly important /drive outside the city. In that regard, this Commodore is going to struggle (compared to the outgoing model, that is). That said, the most popular cars sold are mostly death traps as far as overtaking goes, I don't think Joe public cares anymore.

80-120kmh is the most underrated & imo the most important figure, especially like Adrenaline says, over taking in this unique country of ours where we often drive distance. Perhaps Adrenaline has also picked up on a point of interest: Given the amount & popularity of SUV/4WD vehicles on the roads. Are they over represented in accidents? I see so many drivers of these types of vehicles demanding way too much of them in cornering, braking & perhaps most dangerously, overtaking.

[nstg8a]

Originally Posted by Ford17

The VP V6 Commodore SS, along with the 6-cylinder EB SS, were both made in very limited numbers at the same time, purely as Group E (production car) homologation specials.

I don't think they were for sale to the public as such, and never appeared again after that.
So Commodore SS's were always V8's, bar those few VP V6 SS's made for Group E racing.

I recall Holden marketing, when finally acknowledging the V6 SS existed, said they had "identified the smallest of niches - guys who want a V8 but cannot get them insured".

Vt ss also had a super six I believe.

[BENT_8]

Originally Posted by nstg8a

Vt ss also had a super six I believe.

Correct
http://www.automobile-catalog.com/ca...modore_ss.html
Note the subsection, Executive Sports Sedan

HSV also offered the V6 during the VT era, badged as an XU6.

[Ford17]

Found the original 1992 Wheels article on the EB SS and VP SS V6:

"E-Streeters":



http://arc.bauer.x-cago.net/WHL/arti...TREETERS.html?

[Ford17]

Originally Posted by BENT_8

Correct
http://www.automobile-catalog.com/ca...modore_ss.html
Note the subsection, Executive Sports Sedan

HSV also offered the V6 during the VT era, badged as an XU6.

Pretty sure these were both supercharged V6's though.

[BENT_8]

Originally Posted by Ford17

Pretty sure these were both supercharged V6's though.

Agreed, but they were still V6 powered SS Commodores which weren't built for racing homologation.
I don't see why the SC makes them invalid for the point of the exercise.

[commodorenutt]

From memory there were something like 120 VP SS produced. I have the tags & some of the assembly sheets from 2 of them that have turned up in the wreckers.

It was Holden's way of getting wider rubber under them, and a shorter diff ratio, to make it more competitive with the Falcon S in Group E (that already had both of those features).

[Bossxr8]

Originally Posted by Elpaterico

Through work I drive both FG Falcons and VF Commodores. The Holden wins hands down in all areas except maybe Economy. But who gives a sh.t about economy when you get all that extra acceleration and torque. For have really let slip. As the great rivalry between the two has come to an end. Holden are the clear winners...


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Falcon wins because it was retired with dignity, and not been raped and turned into a FWD turd that any true Commodore fan would spit on.

[Elpaterico]

Originally Posted by Bossxr8

Falcon wins because it was retired with dignity, and not been raped and turned into a FWD turd that any true Commodore fan would spit on.

Falcon retired because they could not compete with the VF SS


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[DJM83]

Originally Posted by Elpaterico

Falcon retired because they could not compete with the VF SS


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Havnt read anything this retarded for a while

[mike_nofx]

Originally Posted by commodorenutt

From memory there were something like 120 VP SS produced. I have the tags & some of the assembly sheets from 2 of them that have turned up in the wreckers.

It was Holden's way of getting wider rubber under them, and a shorter diff ratio, to make it more competitive with the Falcon S in Group E (that already had both of those features).

Yes fair enough wanting a 6 with wider rubber and shorter diff ratios, but that doesn’t explain why it must be called SS.

To me it’s like Ford wanting a sporty 6 but calling it an XR8.

[Blue Roo]

Originally Posted by Elpaterico

Falcon retired because they could not compete with the VF SS


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What a load of B.S!!
Go back to your Commodore Forum.

[arronm]

Originally Posted by Elpaterico

Falcon retired because they could not compete with the VF SS


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falcon retired in 2008

[pottery beige]

Originally Posted by arronm

In the end it doesn't matter. There is no more of each

At least I own a few good holdens and Ford's

Have owned a heap of both tribes over the years, my fav of all time was my HK Prem

[Fordman1]

Originally Posted by Elpaterico

Falcon retired because they could not compete with the VF SS


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Using your logic, VF SS retired because it couldn’t compete with a front wheel drive Peugeot.

[DJM83]

Originally Posted by arronm

falcon retired in 2008

Except it didn't.

[arronm]

Go sit in one , then sit in 2016. Copy paste

[arronm]

Originally Posted by pottery beige

Have owned a heap of both tribes over the years, my fav of all time was my HK Prem

I had a HR prem, Venetians and spats, was a great car.

[commodorenutt]

Originally Posted by mike_nofx

Yes fair enough wanting a 6 with wider rubber and shorter diff ratios, but that doesn’t explain why it must be called SS.

To me it’s like Ford wanting a sporty 6 but calling it an XR8.

Simple answer - the V6 SS was basically a full-SS spec car, less the V8.

It was so far removed from the V6 S, that the SS badge was warranted.

And really no different to Ford putting SS on an EB 6 cylinder.....


It doesn't need to be a V8 to have SS on it.
The 3.8 V6 easily outperformed the 253 VH SS from only a decade earlier.

And as mentioned prior, the precedence was set by the LX SS being available with a 3.3L 6.