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Here. here, brother. I feel like putting on my old flares, platform shoes, paisley shirt and marching in the streets against "the man". The devolution has to stop, it's time we regained what we have lost over the last 30 years, or those tie dyed Tshirts would have died in vain. |
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Driving used to be so much more enjoyable, you used to be able to occasionally go a little over the limit without having to worry about getting a fine or having a photo taken. These days it seems the worse thing you could do on our roads is drive at 5 - 10k's over the limit.
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Sympathy - but tell that to friggen Turnbull. |
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Problem is you only read what the OP posted, in another report I have read it also stated that of the 500 odd tickets issued that only 2 or maybe 3 of those people have re offended. This is what the discretionary law is about, if you show people that you can be their "friend" then they might just respect you more for it and actually do as they have asked by the local government issued speed limits. Also to your earlier post about discretion and falsifying data, officers are actually allowed to, as has been noted by another poster, lower the alleged speed. That is part of their discretionary power, so how then is this any different, sure he should have lowered the detected speed rather than raise the speed limit but how about you explain to me and everyone else here what the difference is.
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Again can you please explain how one is any different to the other?? Is one of a lesser fraudulent nature??
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Sorry dude but you've just contradicted your earlier statement about the copper being wrong in his way of dealing with the fines. Could people please take a stance and stop jumping the fence. ![]()
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You're late to the conversation mate. You can keep quoting my one off posts until you get the main one. You might get it by then, but if not thats cool too ![]() |
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Ye I was posting as I was reading along, I tend to forget so need to say or post as things come to me LOL, mildly ADHD haha, kinda mild, I think, hmmm why is that bird looking at me through the window.
He was good for a laugh though, his sarcasm failed, and if you need to explain it then you really need to work on it LOL ![]() Folks just for future reference the emoticons are a great tool when trying to convey sarcasm on a forum, this one goes out to you Yellow, love songs and dedications with Kacey Kaysem, AAAmerican Top 40eeeeeee
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anyway, back on topic, enough fun at yellow fires expense(although we did coin a new terminology, the "yellow fire" rule.) i think "questioning" current laws and their fairness is something we, as citizens, have a right to do. we are the country, not the government. the governing of certain laws also should come under scrutiny. i am being broad here; it could be anything. the right to question things like the alcopop tax increase, a badly veiled attempt to quell the "teen drinking epidemic". the locations of speed cameras(fixed) in areas with few to nil accidents or fatalities....am i getting a point across? it is our right as citizens to do this, but, unfortunatly, it can be hard to rally the numbers. the SA motorplex meeting(yes, i was there my voice was heard!) was a good turnout. a few hundred showing up to support drag racing in a state where they are spit on(just about) is better than 5 people showing up..
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I was pointing out that the cops are the victims of stupid road rules as much as motorists. Officers are using their discretion to protect motorists from stupid laws when they shouldn't have to.
This poor officer has had his name dragged through the mud while the government responsible for the laws sits back without criticism. If the local cop thought the limit should be 70 not 60 then just maybe he was right. |
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the police officer didn't use discretion to protect the motorist from a stupid law, he just lied on the ticket. discretion can only be used to determine initial punishment, not to alter the crime to reduce the punishment. the government, really, hasn't done anything wrong(in this situation; sure, the speed limits in some areas might be ludicrous-this is not the topic at hand, the police officers actions are, and as such that's the point of my reply) the local cop thinks the limit should be 70 not 60? thats great but the limit is still, legally, 60, so until it changes the police officer broke the law.
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In the wider context of "discretion" that we have already been through (see the dirty number plate topic ![]() |
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This is the saddest thing that has come out of "democracy" your right to disobey has been slowly eroded, as a democratic state/country you have the right to disagree and also the right to gather in numbers to show strength in your argument. Recently removed, as good as, with the introduction of "Anti Bikey Laws". That's just one, democracy is dieing a slow and painful death, and all we can do is sit and watch.
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Seeing as this topic has taken a turn to democracy perhaps you all should read the thread...Church of climatology.
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Ok, but can the government and police command show us statistics please of the officers who fine people at the actual speed in the correct zone and show what percentage of them re offend?? Doubt it ![]() This guy had a 99.4% success rate (yes I worked it out ![]() Vicpol seem to go on ad nauseum about trying to "educate drivers" well this guys strategy is working, well for the public but not for the Vic government, and that my friend is where the problem lies. When revenue is lost then it's not working, not how it's meant to by their reckoning anyway.
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But, you may have misunderstood the point of my post; I'm not talking about people who have a genuine beef to be heard against the 'tide of oppression' regarding rights to vote, land rights for gay whales, or genuine idiocy from beureaucratic incompetence (steady Flappist)...or people against the local roundabout, or the new speed sign, or the new $2.20 bastard tax when you pay at the post office, or the right to defend yourself from genocide or invasion from a hostile agressor...or whatever may be the case...you seem to be reading too much into what I had posted, I'm talking about common decency and courtesy. The point I was trying to make is that there actually are, believe it or not; people that live in our society that just don't care about the safety, comfort, property and consideration of others. regardless of how politically motivated or singleminded they are. Secondly, and most importantly and I am guessing the reason you got so upset before your post is that I am not defending what this guy did: he did the wrong thing in the fact that he lied and falsified documents. There may very well be a genuine case for the speed zones being incorrectly marked or whatever but there are other more constructive and more intelligent ways of demonstrating this or getting them changed or revoked.
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A copper humanly passionate about is job (even though his method was a little miss guided)
Makes a change from a coppers that are revenue passionate about their job. We can't have this, might be catching, quick, sack him be fore he infects the others. Not as if his miss guided methods didn't work, 500 tickets and only a few re-offending. Wounder what the meanies statistics are? ( ![]() ![]() Maybe they should take a better look at what he was doing rather than throwing him out. (not saying he was right, just a point) Cheers Steve
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Do Gooders are the reason our country is almost a Police State that we all feared 20 years ago. A Fair and reasonable copper gone and all other cops scared into submission. do gooders beware what you wish for and try forcing down others throats, you will regret it when it effects you later at some time.
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it seems to me that the chief of police slightly contradicts himself. apparently cops are allowed to use their own discretion but they are not allowed to change the speed of the infringement due to it being recorded on the instrument, and they are not allowed to change the speed zone as that is falsifying documents.
begs the question, what discretion are they allowed to show?? to me it seems like the only discretion is to either book you, or let you go with a warning. i've been a good boy now for the past 15yrs but before that, i'd had my share of run ins with the police and not all of them resulted in fines. surely it would be better for the force to allow some middle ground as well. at least then there is still revenue coming in. you can bet your life that going back a few years, the sort of discretionary methods used by the cop in question would have been used all the time. |
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