Council wants 30km/h speed limit

[geckoGT]

I will leave it at this.

There are many aspects in life that academics are not the be all and all holders of the truth.

I don't even live in Vic and I know the reputation that Monash Uni is building for themselves.

[MAD]

Just because one figure might be true, it doesnt show every figure that was left out. Fatigue, rage, concentration, etc.

[ltd]

And I'll wait to see how quickly this thread will be locked because of the politburo of Harold Screwballs turning up again in his never ending quest of "push the govco spin" ****-stravagaza.

[Auslandau]

Originally Posted by sudszy

Hmm, you are criticising a University that works with real data and has academics that peer review their work and you have overturned their findings with your own institution of "pull some numbers out of the air" .

Perhaps you(or anyone else) can pull some numbers from somewhere that support your claims rather than just repeating the rhetoric we keep hearing here.

So ....... apparently no one can criticise a university, g'ment, you or anyone else you are in love with but you are quick to discredit everyone else who has a differing opinion from your hysterical anti everything. Sick of your negativity, your obnoxious and repetitive argumentative tone. Can you please go and play devils advocate somewhere else and annoy another forum as it is so obvious this isn't the place for you.

If a pedestrian is stupid enough to have a confrontation with a moving car at any speed the car will win ......... I do not need 'real data' for this as it is a genuine fact.

[uranium_death]

According to "experts", living can kill you...

There has to be an element of responsibility in all of this.
How often is speed the ONLY factor in an accident? I rarely see it as the reason.
Poor decision making, poor education and a lack of driving ability I would have thought should be major considerations...

[MAD]

Quick show of hands... Who looks before entering a pedestrian crossing?
I do.
A car is a big, heavy, fast moving object that will hurt like hell, at best, if it hits me. That means it gets my respect.

[Falc'man]

That was right on 60km/h

[gtxb67]

Originally Posted by uranium_death

BUT maybe if she did what I was taught in kindergarten and to look both ways before you cross, it wouldn't be an issue? Nobody would get hurt...

i am a little older than you, but still remember this add almost word for word. maybe this add is the reason i look when attempting to cross the road, but maybe it is because cars can hurt. even when i have right away, i let cars go if it is convenient for them. they are bigger than me, so if they want to go first, they can

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sBDIy8IjrKw

[Franco Cozzo]

I reckon these universities who publish information which seems to be ALWAYS in support of new government movements, a tad fishy.

Theres money changing hands there I reckon.

[InfernoSR]

Monash University Accident Research Centre senior research fellow Dr Bruce Corben said reducing speeds from 50km/h to 30km/h reduced the risk of death by up to 90 per cent.

Car Parts and Accessories Salesperson InfernoSR said reducing stupid pedestrians using incorrect methods of crossing the road will reduce the risk of death by up to 100 per cent, and make motorists happier by up to 100%

^^ Smart fella that one ^^

[SEZ213]

Originally Posted by MAD

Quick show of hands... Who looks before entering a pedestrian crossing?
I do.
A car is a big, heavy, fast moving object that will hurt like hell, at best, if it hits me. That means it gets my respect.

I look both ways before crossing one-way streets

No I'm not cynical, I'm cautious, particularly in Brisbane where people turning up one way streets seems to happen pretty regularly. I can't speak for Melbourne, but I would assume (risky I know), that the same would probably occur there with tourists, out of towners, etc.

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by Sezzy

I look both ways before crossing one-way streets

No I'm not cynical, I'm cautious, particularly in Brisbane where people turning up one way streets seems to happen pretty regularly. I can't speak for Melbourne, but I would assume (risky I know), that the same would probably occur there with tourists, out of towners, etc.

We don't really have that many one way streets that I can think of.

[irish2]

Originally Posted by Sezzy

I look both ways before crossing one-way streets

No I'm not cynical, I'm cautious, particularly in Brisbane where people turning up one way streets seems to happen pretty regularly. I can't speak for Melbourne, but I would assume (risky I know), that the same would probably occur there with tourists, out of towners, etc.

Driving the wrong way is fine as long as your doing the speed limit. Remeber speed kills, not poor driver education. /sarcasm

[joolz]

Maybe not related to speed zones but was talking to my partner about this and Vic Roads. Well before she met me just over 18 months ago she dated this guy for a very very short time that worked at Vic Roads, he was a road planner or road engineer. Anyways i was dumb founded when she said he didnt have a drivers licence....Just goes to show what fools control how we drive.

[joolz]

Originally Posted by MAD

Quick show of hands... Who looks before entering a pedestrian crossing?
I do.

Myself also and even more after hitting a pedestrian driving through Geelong 10 years ago. Unfortunately he thought it would be faster not to use the pedestrian crossing but rather sprint across La Trobe tce 50mts from the crossing. Because of a truck to my right hiding him he now is disabled for the rest of his life.

[ltd]

Originally Posted by joolz

Myself also and even more after hitting a pedestrian driving through Geelong 10 years ago. Unfortunately he thought it would be faster not to use the pedestrian crossing but rather sprint across La Trobe tce 50mts from the crossing. Because of a truck to my right hiding him he now is disabled for the rest of his life.

That's gotta be my second biggest fear on the road, my first being a child running in front of the car. Frankly whenever I see kids near the road (like on the nature strip) I hit the anchors and slow it down to around 20km/h in fear that one of them could jump out chasing a ball or something. I know it wouldn't be my fault if I hit a child but I also know I'd never be able to reconcile it in my mind.

I hope you don't blame yourself joolz.

[MAD]

Originally Posted by ltd

That's gotta be my second biggest fear on the road, my first being a child running in front of the car. Frankly whenever I see kids near the road (like on the nature strip) I hit the anchors and slow it down to around 20km/h in fear that one of them could jump out chasing a ball or something. I know it wouldn't be my fault if I hit a child but I also know I'd never be able to reconcile it in my mind.

I hope you don't blame yourself joolz.

Agreed. I'd hate to hit anyone.
I do the same down streets when kids are out in the front yard, and especially if they are on the nature strip.

Sorry to hear about that joolz. It must have been terrible.

[joolz]

Originally Posted by MAD

Agreed. I'd hate to hit anyone.
I do the same down streets when kids are out in the front yard, and especially if they are on the nature strip.

Sorry to hear about that joolz. It must have been terrible.

It was awful but there was nothing i could do, basically the only time i saw him was on impact. Five years later when he turned 21 i was handed a writ from the family trying to sue me. This is why pedestrians should take more ownership on their own safety and not the drivers through laws that will not stop the stupidity of pedestrians but infact encourage it as they feel safer.

[MAD]

Wow. I'm gobsmacked. How do you even begin to react to that. Such a terrible situation. My immediate thought was that I would feel anger and disbeleif, but then I'd begin to feel like a ***** for even thinking of my own feelings when what they have suffered is far worse. That's a very vicous thought cycle to get in to. I hope I never have to deal with that.


To allow pedestrians to become complacent is just asking for more accidents.
Whenever you approach a gutter, your attention should be ONLY on the traffic, not reading your facebook news feed, or talking to a friend, or whatever else.

[Ben73]

That's just pathetic what they did, joolz. He was clearly in the wrong, I hope it worked out in your favour.
You should of counter sued him for being a moron and damaging your car. Don't know how well that would hold up in court though.

This is the reason why we need to get it into pedestrians heads that roads are a serious business and they should not be stuffing around on roads and being on them without making sure its safe first.

[OzJavelin]

Originally Posted by joolz

It was awful but there was nothing i could do, basically the only time i saw him was on impact. Five years later when he turned 21 i was handed a writ from the family trying to sue me. This is why pedestrians should take more ownership on their own safety and not the drivers through laws that will not stop the stupidity of pedestrians but infact encourage it as they feel safer.

The whole thing is terrible .. but I'm interested how any lawyer could argue a case for them or how any legal system could find you in the wrong?
The road laws (and pedestrian laws) are all set out to protect us. They might annoy us but if we all followed them to the letter we'd all be (theoretically) safe. When one party ignores them do we get in strife.
One thing nags at me. For a long time we had 60km/h suburban streets and cars which had POOR braking capability. Now we have 50km/h (and 40km/h) streets and cars with great brakes (and tyres) .. have we had a huge drop in the pedestrian accident rate?

[ltd]

Originally Posted by OzJavelin

have we had a huge drop in the pedestrian accident rate?

Yes, but we've also seen a massive increase in the number of solicitors and civil libertarians all out to make a buck off the humble motorist.

[Scooter79rs]

I've nearly hit someones child going through a car park, nearly didn't see the lemming. If I was doing 5 I would've ended up with a childs face in my head light.
I've seen so many people trying to cross main roads that if they were hit I would have no sympathy for the pedestrian, I've seen a cyclist get hit by a car the idiot decided to go in front of moving traffic.

Maybe there needs to be a TV campaign for adults and looking before they cross.

[Jim Goose]

Originally Posted by OzJavelin

One thing nags at me. For a long time we had 60km/h suburban streets and cars which had POOR braking capability. Now we have 50km/h (and 40km/h) streets and cars with great brakes (and tyres) .. have we had a huge drop in the pedestrian accident rate?

Its all very well to say we have better brakes, better cars, better tyres...
Where are the better drivers? Or where are the intelligent pedestrians who arent spaced out in their own world when trying to cross a road?

Not to mention the huge increases in population and cars... 30yrs ago most of the roads here still had dirt shoulders and minimal traffic.

[irish2]

Originally Posted by Jim Goose

Its all very well to say we have better brakes, better cars, better tyres...
Where are the better drivers? Or where are the intelligent pedestrians who arent spaced out in their own world when trying to cross a road?

Not to mention the huge increases in population and cars... 30yrs ago most of the roads here still had dirt shoulders and minimal traffic.

And cars were noisy enough to let idiots know they are coming.

[ltd]

Originally Posted by irish2

And cars were noisy enough to let idiots know they are coming.

Thanks, you've raised a very good point.
In the days of hybrids running around town on battery power, there's next to little to no noise.
Surely these things pose an even bigger risk to those with Ipods and such, not hearing them coming?
I propose a new amendment to protect our vacant-minded, Ipod listening pedestrian; hybrids and girly cars to be made illegal, all cars to be fire breathing V8's or more with no resonator nor muffler. Side pipes will be standard just to warn those who get close to the kerb. Minimum capacity is to be 5 litres.
If you have a V8 which is less than 5 litres then you must attach a bunch of cowbells to the front of it.
Now that's a society a pedestrian can feel safe in.

[sudszy]

Originally Posted by OzJavelin

For a long time we had 60km/h suburban streets and cars which had POOR braking capability. Now we have 50km/h (and 40km/h) streets and cars with great brakes (and tyres) .. have we had a huge drop in the pedestrian accident rate?

http://www.minister.infrastructure.g...CK001_2011.htm

[Road Games]

Originally Posted by sudszy

http://www.minister.infrastructure.g...CK001_2011.htm

[uranium_death]

Originally Posted by gtxb67

i am a little older than you, but still remember this add almost word for word....

You legend! I only remembered the end, "Walk straight across the road, don't run! Walk straight across the road..."

But yep...that was exactly the same song that we sang when crossing the entrance to the library carpark on our way to the library once a week...it's one of those lessons you don't forget...

[GTP owner]

Originally Posted by Scooter79rs

I've nearly hit someones child going through a car park, nearly didn't see the lemming. If I was doing 5 I would've ended up with a childs face in my head light.
.

I think you will find that all pedestrians have right of way in a car park, meaning that you were in the wrong.