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That's absolutely great Boss. (Offering the PHEV and it's stats, that is)
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Toyota's hybrid strategy has been really well thought out. They must have worked out the most realistic, practical drivetrain to reduce emissions pretty early on, and then just stuck with it. They probably invested in Prius at a loss for some while; now they are trying this approach with the Mirai and hydrogen.
You see the battery tech might be older - but it's cheaper and more accessible with the Nickel based batteries. Is it more intert? Maybe they were waiting for lithium to get to a certain cost/safety level - I note the coming Yaris hybrid will have lithium batteries. In doing so, they've avoided the publicity of fires that some of the other lithium batteries have provided. A short range - about 2km electric and focus on the Atkinson cycle engines has paid off. This also has meant lower battery replacement costs so those 32K quotes like with that Leaf don't stun owners. Sending the driveline to all mainstream models as a policy has been a masterstroke, and Joe Public gets to see real savings comparable to the 1.5 to 2K additional price. It's now taking off. As for Prius, I'm surprised Toyota hasn't yet made it full electric or PHEV to maintain the flagship fuel miser/environment saver status it had. Maybe the tech isn't yet mature enough? Maybe they don't need the model anymore? Hybrid 300 Landcruiser will be interesting.
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I seems to have become popular to criticise people's choice of purchasing diesel powered vehicles, although I have no idea why. If you want to regularly move or tow heavy loads then they're the only sensible option. I don't care how high-tech your new petrol engine is, diesel still rules in that department and always has. Dr Smith's recent experience with the new V6 petrol Hiace van is a case in point. Get out into the regional areas and you can pretty much back it in that any vehicle that is worked hard will be a diesel. All the vehicles (aside from motorcycles) at our place are diesels - we just love 'em! ![]() |
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just 2.0 EB and top of the line PHEV........ It would be nice if they offered either an efficient diesel or a 2.5 hybrid, they're offering neither at the moment. As for V6 petrol vans, they're useless and should also serve as example as to why the V6 petrol Hilux and Prado just won't sell in this country, people know that the diesel roughly halves fuel use..... But, add a hybrid side for stop/go city running and the petrol vehicles come back into focus.... Last edited by jpd80; 08-03-2020 at 07:15 PM. |
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Be interesting to see a cost over life of vehicle comparison. Petrol costs more to use (a lot more) but diesel costs a lot more to repair when it fails... |
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for constant speed running on the highway with a load, diesel is heads and shoulders better. |
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But with all environmental issues, being seen to be doing something is actually more important than actually doing something worthwhile. EV’s burn so much co2 in mining and manufacturing the batteries and electric motors, that they will never be less co2 intensive over their lifespans than a small petrol car. Don’t tell the greenies that though. |
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Escape FWD 2.0 EcoBoost - $35,990 Escape ST-Line FWD 2.0 EcoBoost - $37,990 Escape ST-Line AWD 2.0 EcoBoost - $40,990 Escape Vignale FWD 2.0L EcoBoost - $46,590 Escape Vignale AWD 2.0L EcoBoost - $49,590 Escape ST-Line PHEV FWD - $52,940 It's actually nearly $15K more to step up from petrol to hybrid in the 2020 Escape. I think a FWD Rav4 Cruiser is $41K +orc....no chance of selling at a 10th of Rav4 volume if it's $14K more even allowing for the higher specs. ![]() ![]() ![]() Should add Escape is a plug in hybrid, Rav is not. Europe does have a Escape Diesel/Mild Hybrid available. https://www.ford.co.uk/content/dam/g...T-new_kuga.pdf Last edited by Dr Smith; 09-03-2020 at 11:22 AM. |
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Man, this is crazy, no 2.0 EB in Endura and now they’re
overcompensating with 2.0 EB in Escape and no diesel. |
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MG have been good with dealer roll outs too. They have some trusted dealerships in the community backing their product. Remember the early successful days of Daewoo? It can and has been done in the past, the only negative feedback on MG at this point is the cost of parts. People replacing brake pads / rotors at the 30k mark?
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My crystal ball reckons we wont see Endura for more then another 12 months max.... Its now an older product and I reckon Ford is quietly trying to let it die. ![]()
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I've heard that the next gen is C2 based but yes, we probably won't see it here. Endura needed three things, the lower cost three row Chinese version with a 2.0 EB version. |
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and a different name.
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If my assumption is right and you are at Ford, surely you guys can see this? Prius had the virtue, but the moment Camry and Corolla (and now RAV4 with huge success) went hybrid the sales of the hybrid system went through the roof, on everyday cars for normal people. There are graded steps to this, first hybrid, then PHEV where Ford have aimed well, then electric. Takeup will be a function of pricing/ROI. eg. If savings pay for the extra feature in 4 years or less, I outlay the capital to upgrade it. Solar paid itself back here in 3 years. Batteries aren't there yet. For a car, if I go from 8L/100 to 4L/100 and do 10,000km a year, that's 4L x 100 = 400L savings, x 1.30 (rough average price, it's about to fall bigly) = saving of $520. A 2K additional price is paid back in 4 years in this example. I reckon far more of the public thinks this way, rather than https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AnFAAdOBB1c *agree with your last para. You should see the mess Lithium mining can make.
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Australia hasn't really cared too much about hybrids until the last year or 2. But Toyota's success with them has been by getting the price of them so cheap, over and above the regular petrol models. Now Ford is moving onto the more advanced plug in hybrids, but have to charge a lot more for them. Toyota don't bring in their plug in hybrids here, because they would be charging a lot more for them. They sell them in Japan and the US. Ford really should have been selling basic cheap hybrid systems here a couple of years ago to get into the market, and then focused on plug ins later on. Toyota seem to be the only ones having any success selling hybrids. All the other brands only get tiny %'s of sales of hybrid versions. |
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