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lumen8 · 08-07-2021, 11:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Yellow_Festiva

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Since we're here, I saw this one doing the rounds...

I guess the 3rd needle is the booster shot?

lumen8 · 08-07-2021, 12:01 PM

Interesting article on the Australian Financial Review, its behind a paywall though.

Facts on COVID-19 that politicians won’t tell you

https://www.afr.com/politics/federal...0210705-p586za

Incog window + IP reset + search the bolded title and click on it from google instead of my link... and it all seems to be there for me... your mileage may vary though.

**russellw** · 08-07-2021, 12:05 PM

Data valid as at 00:00 GMT July 7th 2021.

Note: As not all Australian States report at the same time, the data below is based on the previous full day reporting.

32 new cases for Australia and no deaths so the CMR is 2.949%.

5 new cases and no deaths for NZ so CMR is 0.941% and active cases 40.

The UK had a higher 32,048 cases yesterday and lower 33 deaths.

A higher 17,314 new cases in the USA yesterday and higher 187 deaths sees CMR at 1.795%.

Other notable points:
Africa sets a new daily high with 43,725 cases;

Fiji (791);
Cyprus (952);
Zimbabwe (2,264);
Myanmar (3,947);
Cuba (3,644);
Thailand (6,519);
Tunisia (9,823); and
Indonesia (34,379)

... all recorded new daily highs; those in blue for the second consecutive day and those in red for a third or more consecutive day.

Spain, Senegal and Algeria move above the 90th percentile for the 10 day period while Bolivia drops below.

lumen8 · 08-07-2021, 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Charliewool

Test me for Covid sure!, but at the end of the day, NO Australian government has THE RIGHT to blatantly turn their back on their own citizens!
War, catastrophe, pandemic… I don’t care!
It is MY bloody right to be able to freely travel to the country on the front of my passport!!
Have a REAL hard think about this!
Australian citizens basic human rights have been thrown out the door, and Australians are clapping their hands!! (Thanks to MSM, and inept leaders)
It’s a damn disgrace!!

For the record… I am NOT trying to get back!… My issue is it is MY RIGHT to be allowed if I desire!!

Yea look its a s***ty situation for many. And you have those that say "we'll , govt warned you to come back" etc etc.

And while that advice or warning was put out, peoples situations are not always so simple, black and white, there are variables in peoples individual circumstances.

Some abroad were employed... and arent anymore, and have to come back. Their employment has been terminated for reasons out of their control.

Some, probably understandably, wanted to wait it out as they had reasons for being abroad.. not knowing this would last so long.. and are now running out of money, or visa etc, ie not allowed to be where they are anymore.

Some have partners overseas, or unwell relatives, and chose to stay, then eventually want or need to return.

I have perused some of the groups online and there are all kinds of situations and stories out there.

And now its even more frustrating in a sense for them when they can now move about so freely abroad, in many instances just with a negative test being the only hurdle at the airport. They are living one reality where they are and being presented with another when it comes to attempting to return.

I saw one woman posted a pic on a plane in the US, domestic flight, she had some Australian people attack her on fb, saying things like stay away, you are lying the plane isnt full (it was full) , and going into tirades about not paying aussie tax.. also false as one does have to pay tax even if earned abroad as a citizen of oz. This woman wants to return to Australia because she lost her job in the US, and cant.

NZ seems to do ok letting citizens back in, id have to go look at the numbers again but I recall it being more than Australia, perhaps even outright not just per capita.

I will also add, the very small handful of people denied entry from abroad or travel across states to see dying parents/relatives... very very cruel. And the entire world is watching, often in disbelief.

You would think exemptions could be granted albeit with precautions put in place, when its such small numbers of people in those circumstances.

But when Hugh Jackman etc want to cruise in, no probs.

five 7 · 08-07-2021, 12:23 PM

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Itsme · 08-07-2021, 12:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Charliewool

I’ll preface this by saying, in no way are my following comments directed at you mate! I DO understand where you’re coming from.

They are directed at the typical “I’m ok Jack, feck you” attitude that exists and has massively escalated since this pandemic began.
They are directed at those warm and comfy unadventurous souls, that live their typically boring mundane lives, venturing no further than, maybe the Gold Coast for their annual hols… These same souls, typing madly away on social media espousing their wrath against “these poor citizens”
AUSTRALIAN citizens, who have the sheer audacity to EXPECT to be able to return to THEIR HOME country!…
“Oh, you were warned”, “you should have upped tents & camels and been back 18 months ago”,.. “Bad luck buddy, ya missed the bus”, “It’s all on you d…head, for not listening to the God almighty Politicians that manage Australia”
The very same Australia that I was born in, (as were at least 3 generations of my ancestors) The same Australia I paid 50+ years of taxes to, The same Australia that issued the Passport I carry.
That SAME passport that not too long ago, allowed me unlimited free exit and entry…
So now, I’m WHAT? An undesirable?, An unwanted Australian? (Because I’m still overseas) A refugee? (To be housed in their previous accommodation anyhow)
Test me for Covid sure!, but at the end of the day, NO Australian government has THE RIGHT to blatantly turn their back on their own citizens!
War, catastrophe, pandemic… I don’t care!
It is MY bloody right to be able to freely travel to the country on the front of my passport!!
Have a REAL hard think about this!
Australian citizens basic human rights have been thrown out the door, and Australians are clapping their hands!! (Thanks to MSM, and inept leaders)
It’s a damn disgrace!!

For the record… I am NOT trying to get back!… My issue is it is MY RIGHT to be allowed if I desire!!

Full agreement with your statement; the politicians in this country have done a good job locking state & international borders up and having Australians turn on each other, this topic proves it with some of the comments I've read here and elsewhere in MSM.
Hang in their buddy as there is Australians who do still support you and others having the right to come home to your country.
Some of our freedoms is being stifled unnecessary contrary to this pandemic.

Cheers

five 7 · 08-07-2021, 12:48 PM

[QUOTE=lumen8;6599989]

NZ seems to do ok letting citizens back in, id have to go look at the numbers again but I recall it being more than Australia, perhaps even outright not just per capita.

We can come and go, there is no restriction on that, the problem is limited MIQ beds and a really cr*p booking system, which i think is done on purpose to slow things down, but yep if your a celeb or sports team you can travel with ease.

**Charliewool** · 08-07-2021, 12:55 PM

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Originally Posted by lumen8

Yea look its a s***ty situation for many. And you have those that say "we'll , govt warned you to come back" etc etc.

And while that advice or warning was put out, peoples situations are not always so simple, black and white, there are variables in peoples individual circumstances.

Some abroad were employed... and arent anymore, and have to come back. Their employment has been terminated for reasons out of their control.

Some, probably understandably, wanted to wait it out as they had reasons for being abroad.. not knowing this would last so long.. and are now running out of money, or visa etc, ie not allowed to be where they are anymore.

Some have partners overseas, or unwell relatives, and chose to stay, then eventually want or need to return.

I have perused some of the groups online and there are all kinds of situations and stories out there.

And now its even more frustrating in a sense for them when they can now move about so freely abroad, in many instances just with a negative test being the only hurdle at the airport. They are living one reality where they are and being presented with another when it comes to attempting to return.

I saw one woman posted a pic on a plane in the US, domestic flight, she had some Australian people attack her on fb, saying things like stay away, you are lying the plane isnt full (it was full) , and going into tirades about not paying aussie tax.. also false as one does have to pay tax even if earned abroad as a citizen of oz. This woman wants to return to Australia because she lost her job in the US, and cant.

NZ seems to do ok letting citizens back in, id have to go look at the numbers again but I recall it being more than Australia, perhaps even outright not just per capita.

I will also add, the very small handful of people denied entry from abroad or travel across states to see dying parents/relatives... very very cruel. And the entire world is watching, often in disbelief.

You would think exemptions could be granted albeit with precautions put in place, when its such small numbers of people in those circumstances.

But when Hugh Jackman etc want to cruise in, no probs.

Re: Full planes… I have traveled twice to Mexico from here (Costa Rica) this year, both times, each way, plane at 100% capacity… Temp taken at boarding, mandatory masks, and compulsive health insurance required for entry back into C/R… No test in either country… And, yes most countries now have taxation sharing info happening (especially since the”Panama papers”, where all the pollies had their wealth in offshore tax havens) Anyhow I’m off topic.
I don’t have statistics, but are there any other countries banning their own citizens returning?? Serious Question

T3rminator · 08-07-2021, 01:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Charliewool

For the record… I am NOT trying to get back!… My issue is it is MY RIGHT to be allowed if I desire!!

This is where it gets interesting. You are technically allowed to come back.....IF you can find a way to get here. The only time they placed a ban was during the initial outbreak (China, South Korea, Italy, Iran... I think?) and more recently India. Aside from that, there has been no ban, just limited quarantine spaces which limited flights. If people can find a way to get here, they are free to enter, as far as I'm aware.

Those responsible for international quarantine (trying not be political) SHOULD have done their job.

tweeked · 08-07-2021, 01:03 PM

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Originally Posted by lumen8

NZ seems to do ok letting citizens back in, id have to go look at the numbers again but I recall it being more than Australia, perhaps even outright not just per capita.

We can come and go, there is no restriction on that, the problem is limited MIQ beds and a really cr*p booking system, which i think is done on purpose to slow things down, but yep if your a celeb or sports team you can travel with ease.

NZ definately has a cap. MIQ cap is 4000 per fortnight, that is how many vouchers are available. Australia had 64000 return citizens and visa holders in May, (not including anoth 40,000 odd NZers visiting.)

So not much was correct in your post.

Citroënbender · 08-07-2021, 01:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Charliewool

…I don’t have statistics, but are there any other countries banning their own citizens returning?? Serious Question

I’ve been trying to ascertain this, as well. (I realise it’s not literally a “ban” but a weasel tactic to achieve the same result.)

Also I wonder why we can’t organise/regulate home quarantine as an earner for people with suitable properties. Combine it with a tracking bracelet and the setup should be fairly sound.

**Charliewool** · 08-07-2021, 01:25 PM

I spose “technically” I am NOT “banned” from re-entry to Aus?
Ok, I have both jabs, as well as a negative covid test for travel, pay upwards of US$25k (for a guaranteed seat) for a one way ticket from West coast of America to Australia… And then also need to quarantine? (At MY expense!)
Sounds awfully like they don’t want me back??

lumen8 · 08-07-2021, 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by tweeked

NZ definately has a cap. MIQ cap is 4000 per fortnight, that is how many vouchers are available. Australia had 64000 return citizens and visa holders in May, (not including anoth 40,000 odd NZers visiting.)

So not much was correct in your post.

Ok i stand corrected on that, their intake numbers are lower than I thought they were.

On the plus side they can travel out though if they want to/need to.

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Originally Posted by Charliewool

I don’t have statistics, but are there any other countries banning their own citizens returning?? Serious Question

It would be few and far between where they have such restrictions on incoming, and outgoing. Perhaps none in regards to citizens returning. If anyone knows of any post them up.

And yes as mentioned technically people can return, but the tickets are now in the tens of thousands of dollars apparently as mentioned.

T3rminator · 08-07-2021, 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Charliewool

...........And then also need to quarantine? (At MY expense!)
Sounds awfully like they don’t want me back??

Unfortunately, for now, it is a necessary evil to protect the 26m Australians (minus the 10% who don't need protecting) already here. Again, if those responsible for vaccination had done their job, quarantine for vaccinated arrivals would have soon been a thing of the past, Phase 4.

Out of curiosity, does anyone know of someone who wanted to come back, but couldn't? I know of many people who have come back, some more than once, and the longest one had to wait was around 8 weeks.

**Polyal** · 08-07-2021, 02:22 PM

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Originally Posted by T3rminator

Unfortunately, for now, it is a necessary evil to protect the 26m Australians (minus the 10% who don't need protecting) already here. Again, if those responsible for vaccination had done their job, quarantine for vaccinated arrivals would have soon been a thing of the past, Phase 4.

Out of curiosity, does anyone know of someone who wanted to come back, but couldn't? I know of many people who have come back, some more than once, and the longest one had to wait was around 8 weeks.

I do know of someone who wants to leave and isnt allowed. Although apparently the onboarding country are not letting people from Australia in which sounds weird but the story I am getting (Philippines).

Person is 37 yo so cant get a job yet anyway to fly...

tweeked · 08-07-2021, 03:21 PM

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Originally Posted by T3rminator

Unfortunately, for now, it is a necessary evil to protect the 26m Australians (minus the 10% who don't need protecting) already here. Again, if those responsible for vaccination had done their job, quarantine for vaccinated arrivals would have soon been a thing of the past, Phase 4.

Out of curiosity, does anyone know of someone who wanted to come back, but couldn't? I know of many people who have come back, some more than once, and the longest one had to wait was around 8 weeks.

Yep. Father in law stuck in China for a year. He is an electrical engineer, had a 2 year contract over there. Managed to buy a ticket 6 months ago for $1400, flight got cancelled. $26,000 now if you can get one. He is staying with a family there until he can get out, expecting early next year now.

b0son · 08-07-2021, 03:59 PM

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Originally Posted by wodahs

and yet 5 of the 6 from the out brake at the age care facility after this event was vacinated

but none of the residents were showing symptoms, and were only hospitalised as a precaution. would they have been so lucky had they not been vaccinated?

**DJR-351** · 08-07-2021, 04:16 PM

West Australian Premier Mark McGowan has warned of a 'permanent' hard border with NSW.

https://www.9news.com.au/videos/heal...320hpoy8n2mnda

NSW Premier responds to reports WA is considering ongoing hard border

https://www.9news.com.au/national/co...arning-_080721

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Berejiklian........"At least he is consistent," she said.

b0son · 08-07-2021, 04:37 PM

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Originally Posted by DJR-351

West Australian Premier Mark McGowan has warned of a 'permanent' hard border with NSW.

I bet it wont apply to freight....

roKWiz · 08-07-2021, 04:54 PM

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Originally Posted by T3rminator

Out of curiosity, does anyone know of someone who wanted to come back, but couldn't? I know of many people who have come back, some more than once, and the longest one had to wait was around 8 weeks.

Know of a few who came back. Know one client who is flying out to the states next Wednesday she (75 years young) was given the Ok. They didn't dare denign her, Human rights Lawyer. She reckons she'll be gone for 4 months.

T3rminator · 08-07-2021, 06:06 PM

"Health Minister Martin Foley said he would not rule out a hard border with NSW and warned more local government areas could be declared “red zones” as the coronavirus crisis deepens across Greater Sydney."

https://www.theage.com.au/politics/v...08-p587uk.html

As for QLD, feel Anna has backed herself into a corner now. Any new restrictions invoked will put added pressure on her trip to Japan.

roKWiz · 08-07-2021, 06:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Charliewool

I’ll preface this by saying, in no way are my following comments directed at you mate! I DO understand where you’re coming from.

All good Charliewood, was replying to a comment about perceived anti vaxers running fowl of a non existent law, then given a long speil about whats good for me by someone on a forum.
Re reading that......I don't think I ever mentioned being against a vaccine or returning dual citizens. Personally I like working OS.

Bossxr8 · 08-07-2021, 06:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Charliewool

I spose “technically” I am NOT “banned” from re-entry to Aus?
Ok, I have both jabs, as well as a negative covid test for travel, pay upwards of US$25k (for a guaranteed seat) for a one way ticket from West coast of America to Australia… And then also need to quarantine? (At MY expense!)
Sounds awfully like they don’t want me back??

Serves you right for not being rich and famous. Then you could get straight back in

They probably don’t even need to wait.

T3rminator · 08-07-2021, 07:25 PM

PM urges earlier AstraZeneca second doses
https://thewest.com.au/news/coronavi...jabs-c-3339771

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Scott Morrison has urged locked down Australians to receive a second AstraZeneca dose within eight weeks of their first jab.

How long should you wait to get the second AstraZeneca jab?
https://www.abc.net.au/news/health/2...oses/100259926

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A study published earlier this year in The Lancet found that a single dose of AstraZeneca is 76 per cent effective in the first 90 days.

Receiving a second dose 12 weeks or more after the first can kick this protection up to 82.4 per cent.

But this efficacy dropped to around 55 per cent if the second jab was given less than six weeks after the first, the study found.

**buggerlugs** · 08-07-2021, 07:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Charliewool

I spose “technically” I am NOT “banned” from re-entry to Aus?
Ok, I have both jabs, as well as a negative covid test for travel, pay upwards of US$25k (for a guaranteed seat) for a one way ticket from West coast of America to Australia… And then also need to quarantine? (At MY expense!)
Sounds awfully like they don’t want me back??

Well, let's be honest about this, you are a Western Bulldogs supporter

zilo · 08-07-2021, 07:53 PM

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Originally Posted by wodahs

and yet 5 of the 6 from the out brake at the age care facility after this event was vacinated

So 5 out of 6 of them have their brakes outside of their car after doing the vacinated?"

cool...

Must be old cars...

Pies1 · 08-07-2021, 08:22 PM

Gold standard Gladys

pottery beige · 08-07-2021, 08:28 PM

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Originally Posted by buggerlugs

Well, let's be honest about this, you are a Western Bulldogs supporter

jebus

wodahs · 08-07-2021, 09:40 PM

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Originally Posted by b0son

but none of the residents were showing symptoms, and were only hospitalised as a precaution. would they have been so lucky had they not been vaccinated?

yes it could of been worse
and yet it didnt protect them to the gold standard as suggested in the post i quoted
and as your statement that i quoted
these from the age care facility shouldnt have been infected at all , because they had been vaccinated.

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Originally Posted by b0son

of the 30 attendees at the West Hoxton party, the only 6 people that werent infected, were the ones that had been vaccinated.

or are you now saying the person you quoted was correct

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Originally Posted by creative

so a 'vaccine' that doesnt prevent you from getting covid, just lessen the affect is a way of being covid free?

Citroënbender · 08-07-2021, 09:55 PM

Never mind the GSS, QLD has me irked. First a number of people have been excluded from dying family - the way Sarah Caisip was stalked by the media in her social-distanced, PPE-suited, no-contact-allowed grieving was a memorable low point. Moving along, we have a blanket statement that young people shouldn’t get a certain vaccine because of risk of health issues. Then a statement from the same utterer, praising the heroics of medical staff who rushed to save someone despite their lack of PPE. And a Premier who is saying that teleconferencing doesn’t cut it for a significant business occasion yet it was plenty good enough for others to watch family die on Skype or Zoom.

I’m no fan of Premier Berejiklian or her party, but believe she has shown more consistency than the leadership in Queensland. My concern at the present moment, is that the approach of heavy-handed police monitoring in suburbs where they seem to often encounter friction already, could be inflaming - not helping - the progress of outbreak tracking and mitigation.