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It was what contributed to that decision is what people are questioning. Simple explanations are for those who blindly follow what they are given.
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Did the unions step in to try to help the situation at all?
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For the Falcon/Territory the GFC and OneFord really spelt the end.
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This is just my opinion Bill however I'm no expert, so I certainly respect your begging to differ. GM Has pulled out of RHD production markets all over the world - some of the locations with labour costs way lower than Australia, so we had no chance in the big scheme of things. What made you think they were ever going to stay here? Mitsubishi, Ford and Toyota could obviously see the writing on the wall as well. It was probably okay in the days when those makes were pretty much all we bought in any sort of volume, but now there are many others all trying for a slice of the same pie. Our domestic market is just too small. With the other three manufacturers gone, the component manufacturers who sold their products to all four suddenly had serious economies of scale issues as well. The undeniable fact is that it cost way too much to make generic products here if you're trying to be competitive in the world market. Australia is a comparatively expensive place to live so there is no way we can work for what Asian production line workers are paid, and nor should we. Holden were not building what Australians wanted to buy anyway, so they were only marking time in the end. I would have loved to have seen the Australian automotive industry remain, but if you can't make a business case for something then there's not much point persevering. As I say though, I'm no expert. |
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I recently rejected an OE customer wanting to purchase from us, their agreement was 60 pages and wanted to hold us to ridiculous terms so I politely informed them to GAGF. They can sink a business if you agree to their terms and it goes south, the margins are way too low and they're a real pain in the *** customer. |
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So pretty much like many consumers
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The Aussie car industry is still not dead.
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BAII RTV - with Raptor V S/C. RTV Power FG G6ET 50th Anniversary in Sensation. While the basic Ford Six was code named Barra, the Turbo version clearly deserved its very own moniker – again enter Gordon Barfield.
We asked him if the engine had actually been called “Seagull” and how that came about. “Actually it was just call “Gull”, because I named it that. Because we knew it was going to poo on everything”. |
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Yes, but generally speaking I do not expect this to change entrenched opinions.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-08-...oposal/4884158
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The union stepped in plenty of times over the years but I wouldn't call it helping the situation...
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Former high-ranking executive Jim Bunnell – who helped close 2000 showrooms in the US during the Global Financial Crisis, and subsequently wound-up the company’s operations in Europe, India and South Africa – has been appointed to oversee the termination of 203 Holden dealerships across the country and manage the impact on up to 9000 employees.
Mr Bunnell (pictured below), a 39-year veteran of General Motors, has been lured out of retirement for the Holden assignment. He had finished up with General Motors in July 2018; one of his last roles with the company was as executive director of “dealer rationalisation” (car industry speak for closing showrooms), according to his LinkedIn profile. A confidential bulletin sent this week to Holden dealers said Mr Bunnell has been appointed to “oversee the successful wind down of Holden vehicle sales”. Mr Bunnell, named executive director of Holden Transition, will report to Holden boss Kristian Aquilina. The Holden bulletin said Mr Bunnell has “extensive experience at General Motors overseeing orderly and respectful transitions with other brands across the globe, including Chevrolet Europe, India and South Africa”. He also “supported the changes to the North American dealer network post-bankruptcy in 2009. We welcome Jim to the Holden family”. During the Global Financial Crisis a decade ago, when General Motors filed for bankruptcy, Mr Bunnell was instrumental in reducing the company’s North American network of 5900 dealers to 3600. The cutbacks included shutting the showrooms of discontinued General Motors brands such as Saturn, Saab, Pontiac, Oldsmobile and Hummer. When asked by US trade journal Automotive News in May 2009 how General Motors would decide which dealers would go and which ones would stay, Mr Bunnell said: “Certainly we’re going to comply with all of the state laws. We’re very confident that the mechanism we used is a very good and very accurate reflection of the dealer's performance.” Holden dealers claim the compensation being offered by General Motors to terminate their franchise agreements more than two-and-a-half years before they were due to be renewed is “insufficient” and likely to be rejected by most if not all showroom owners. For its part, by the end of this week Holden says it has only put formal offers to 40 per cent of its national network of dealerships. Less than 24 hours after the Federal Government announced a Senate Inquiry into the Holden shutdown, the car maker has shed some light on the compensation package which, it says, goes well beyond its minimum obligations. “Holden is doing the right thing by its dealers during this difficult time,” a company spokesman said. “We believe the offer is fair. In most cases Holden dealers will receive compensation a factor of four times the average Holden new car profit per unit of all dealerships over the 2017-2019 fiscal years.” Holden says its compensation formula is “applied consistently for all dealers and covers reasonable earning expectations from the new Holden sales department over the remaining portion of the Dealer Agreement”. Dealers also have the opportunity to continue as authorised Holden service outlets, which it said is “a consistently very profitable part of their businesses”. Meantime, anyone wanting to grab a bargain as Holden clears remaining stock may already be too late. Following a leaked bulletin that showed discounts of $7500 to $17,500 would be offered across the range from March 1, many Holden dealers say they only have “weeks not months” worth of stock remaining. Most are expected to be cleaned out by June 30, the end of the financial year. https://www.caradvice.com.au/831181/...-close-holden/
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Following a leaked bulletin that showed discounts of $7500 to $17,500 would be offered across the range from March 1, many Holden dealers say they only have “weeks not months” worth of stock remaining. Most are expected to be cleaned out by June 30, the end of the financial year. https://www.caradvice.com.au/831181/...-close-holden/
While it's not surprising, it's clear that GM has been planning this for a while as stock levels are not that high. Maybe it's good that all those discounted Colorado's find a home quickly before the second half of the year. Last edited by jpd80; 01-03-2020 at 10:28 AM. |
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A bloke I know is a supplier to colesworth, he has to pay THEM $15k per year to maintain his vendor number to keep selling to them.
Don’t get me started on Bunnings, although to most aussies they can do no wrong cos, you know they have a sausage sizzle...Aussie,Aussie,Aussie
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Even Keating in his autobiography says he was proud of what he did to the Australian Automotive Industry and had he remained PM for another term, he would have got rid of all subsidies. The hard part is, the unions backed the Button plan and the tariff cuts. |
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Exactly, this was when Hawke & Keating opened up Australia to globalisation. |
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Is it just me, but I am really struggling to accept the fact that we as a nation are no longer manufacturing vehicles here, be it Ford or Holden, the fact that Falcon and Commodore (the Aussie built ones) are no more, the fact that Holden is no more. Its like our soul has been ripped to shreds and not long after we really started producing quality vehicles.
Did not think it would hit me this hard!! Have to admit that End of an Era video that was posted early brought a slight tear to the eye. Just so hard to believe, even with all the writings on the wall. Yes we still have Mustang, but its just not the same. My favourite Ford ad below: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TRTSiL5Fdcw |
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Australian car buyers did the damage by buying imports, just as Australians bought imported TV's, washing machines, cameras, tools, clothing etc, etc. As the old saying goes, "There ain't no use crying over spilled milk." Perhaps if we took more care and not spill any, we would have a full glass?
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Imagine if we developed a truely Australian owned manfacturer in the 1949 and actively pursued exports rather than beholden to foreign owned entities. Maybe we could have been South Korea of the region exporting to right and left hand drive markets. We had all the raw materials and the brains.
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It wasn't the sole reason, but it contributed to it. |
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Perhaps we’re looking at post WWII with 2020 eyes,
the government was dead broke and all that they could do was encourage an established manufacturer to take a chance on Australia |
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All of those years of break even or loss meant that all the money spent through local manufacturing mostly stayed here even without companies recording profits So now instead of keeping $3 billion-$4 bilion per year of business activity here, we let the whole $30 billion / year go out of the country and build up the wealth of others. But hey, pee got their cheap cars once the locals were killed off.... not. Last edited by jpd80; 02-03-2020 at 02:07 PM. |
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Think this thread is “dead in the water”,just like the Holden brand.Really no point commenting or “flogging a dead horse”.
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Maybe there is a bit of that. However Germany, Japan and South Korea all facing nation rebuilding after war (and in the case of the two Asian countries little natural resources) managed to build viable automotive industries. Indeed South Korea is big on many fronts ship building, electronics, etc. We however wasted the opportunities of the 1950s and 1960s and I suspect a lot of that blame rests on the shoulders of the Liberal and Country parties of that era and Pig Iron Bob Menzies.
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