The Nanny State thread - Page 5

MethodX · 14-04-2010, 05:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Serial_Fool

So what do we do?

We know complaining using the parliamentary instutitions won't yield results. We need a grassroots campaign akin to the Tea Party movement in America.

You have to respect other countries for not letting the government get the better of them. Something I cannot say about Australia.

The "BBQ Movement" has a good ring about it. Discuss issues effecting our rights as Australians and throw a free or cheap BBQ afterwards.

Gawd not the Teahadists, a bunch of racist fascist sore losers.

flappist · 14-04-2010, 08:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Serial_Fool

So what do we do?

We know complaining using the parliamentary instutitions won't yield results. We need a grassroots campaign akin to the Tea Party movement in America.

You have to respect other countries for not letting the government get the better of them. Something I cannot say about Australia.

The "BBQ Movement" has a good ring about it. Discuss issues effecting our rights as Australians and throw a free or cheap BBQ afterwards.

We had one of them. They frightened those in power so much that a jihad was launched against it and the mere mention of it now causes the sheep to froth at the mouth.

After all, there is nothing more frightening to a dictator than if they are required to "Please explain".

MO · 14-04-2010, 08:58 AM

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Originally Posted by flappist

We had one of them. They frightened those in power so much that a jihad was launched against it and the mere mention of it now causes the sheep to froth at the mouth.

After all, there is nothing more frightening to a dictator than if they are required to "Please explain".

,and look where that one is now or soon to be. Look out in 'The Old Blighty'.

Keepleft · 14-04-2010, 11:13 AM

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Originally Posted by MO

,and look where that one is now or soon to be. Look out in 'The Old Blighty'.

The answer then is to do 'nothing'.

GB's in a greater mess than we, PC wise.

MAD · 14-04-2010, 12:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Keepleft

The answer then is to do 'nothing'.

GB's in a greater mess than we, PC wise.

I've heard some shockers from GB.
One that comes to mind is some schools no longer calling them 'black' boards, now they are 'chalk' boards. How is naming the colour of an item offensive.

I'd love to see the current rule book thrown out, and start fresh with the basics. Even if they are loosely based off some of the ten commandments. I'm not religious at all but a few of them are a good start, then move on to a larger focus on teaching and reinforcing morals.

There's a magnet that used to be on the fridge at home that I often referred to.

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The 4 way test: Of the things we think, say or do.
1: Is it the TRUTH?
2. Is it FAIR to all concerned?
3. Will it build GOODWILL and better FRIENDSHIPS?
4. Will it be BENEFICIAL to all concerned?

I think it's a great way to encourage you to think about others rather than just focusing on the benefits to yourself.

Serial_Fool · 14-04-2010, 08:12 PM

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Originally Posted by MethodX

Gawd not the Teahadists, a bunch of racist fascist sore losers.

That's not the point. They are a grass roots campaign against the major political parties in the nation.

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Originally Posted by MethodX

We had one of them. They frightened those in power so much that a jihad was launched against it and the mere mention of it now causes the sheep to froth at the mouth.

After all, there is nothing more frightening to a dictator than if they are required to "Please explain".

Making Australia more isolated (that particular party wanted to bring industries back to the 1950s) and hostile to legitimate immigrants (not boat people...) isn't what I want Australia to be like. Former Liberal Party big wigs were fundamental in the formation of One Nation too...(and the Liberals shat themselves at the premise of a party that could take away votes from them). Wasn't Tony Abbot fundamental in funding the legal proceedings against One Nation too?

I honestly think if something similar to the Tea Party Movement got up in Australian politics people would notice. People need a wake up.

Hillbilly F Truck · 16-04-2010, 04:00 PM

http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/politi...1021-h8y1.html

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It is part of a cultural paradigm in which any tragedy that befalls us is not just the result of bad luck or carelessness or simple human error but is the fault of inadequate regulation. There is this fantasy that with enough government intervention we can create a safety utopia.

**cs123** · 16-04-2010, 05:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Hillbilly F Truck

http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/politi...1021-h8y1.html

Nailed it.

**DJR-351** · 21-04-2010, 09:45 AM

http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/w...-1225856114666

OLD war veterans are being banned from riding in Army Land Rovers because of the risk of injury and legal action under new occupational health and safety rules.
Australia's oldest Diggers, mostly from World War II, survived everything the Japanese and Germans could throw at them, but their honoured place at Anzac Day marches is under threat from bureaucrats and lawyers.

An RSL sub-branch at Scarborough in Western Australia has been refused Army Land Rovers for Sunday's march by the Army chief at the Karakatta Barracks.

"The commander believed that the Army vehicles were not the most appropriate for veterans and elderly to step in and out of. Therefore it was decided that on this occasion the request from the RSL would be declined," Defence said yesterday.

"The amended OH&S Act has resulted in the liability being placed on the Commander and the Commonwealth should any injuries occur."

Diggers are concerned that the WA decision is the thin end of the wedge, with one soldier close to the issue describing the move as "very frustrating".

Opposition defence spokesman David Johnston said using OH&S as an excuse to not provide vehicles was bureaucracy gone mad.

Senator Johnston said: "What do they expect our elderly veterans to do?

"Are they meant to walk the whole way? Catch a bus?"

RSL national president Ken Doolan said the world was becoming increasingly litigious with law changes around every corner.

"There has got to be a way around this such as a taxi or local volunteer drivers," he said.

The NSW RSL was warned about the new OH&S rules.

It has told all unit associations to provide sturdy step ladders, or other means, so veterans can safely get in and out of open vehicles.

The huge Sydney Anzac Day march will have 39 Army Land Rovers and drivers on hand, the same as previous years.

The Opposition believes that the new OH&S rules are merely a front for government cost-cutters who they say do not want to pay Reservists who would normally drive the vehicles.

"I suspect it is more about saving a couple of dollars to meet the Canberra razor gang's targets," Senator Johnston said.

Both Defence and the RSL deny this.

They say Reserve pay arrangements are the same as in previous years.

The Victorian RSL uses private vintage vehicles for its old veterans that are provided to the march by the Royal Automobile Club of Victoria (RACV).

MO · 21-04-2010, 10:54 AM

Where and when is this madness going to end. For Gods sake whats next the diggers wont be allowed to carry their banners in case there is a gust of wind and they get blown over.

Romulus · 21-04-2010, 10:33 PM

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Originally Posted by 4Vman

Isn't it illegal to smoke in cars if there are children present as passengers?

I believe it is in WA. But why stop there? Why doesn't the government get some nuts and fine pregnant women who smoke. The damage has already been done by the time junior is in the car and mum/dad has lit up a smoke.

Romulus · 21-04-2010, 10:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Jim Goose

Apathy is the biggest problem here now. The "she'll be right" attitude has turned us into a bunch of lemmings.

What makes me laugh is that people whinge so often about our pollies, that they all say, wait until the next election and you'll be voted out. Well thats just the problem. In 6months, 2 yrs or whenever its due the population has forgotten or doesnt care.

What happened to "NOW"??? Why do have to wait to the next election to seek our "revenge"? What happened to mass rallies and protests in order to get the message across?

Well apart from apathy... selfishness and greed also dominate us.

Exactly right... as soon as someone has the guts to stand up for whats right, all the supporters scurry away because they dont want to take the heat...

The Netherlands is one country that comes to mind (my dad being dutch) that has kicked it's government out for failing to do what the people want. The French are known to do the same.

Bring back the guillotine

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Wally · 21-04-2010, 11:34 PM

Lord of the Flies

Work Horse · 22-04-2010, 07:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Wally

Lord of the Flies

Careful Piggy.

Sorry, I mean Wally....

Wally · 22-04-2010, 10:42 AM

Sorry, but do I know you? :voldar02:

**Full Noise** · 05-05-2010, 11:12 AM

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/vic...-1225862426246

RG · 05-05-2010, 11:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Full Noise

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/vic...-1225862426246

Was about to post that one myself.

I mean seriously, WTF is wrong with some councils?

**Full Noise** · 05-05-2010, 11:25 AM

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Originally Posted by RG

Was about to post that one myself.

I mean seriously, WTF is wrong with some councils?

I don’t know, it’s got me stuffed to know what goes through some people’s minds.

Petty bureaucrats trying to make our lives a living misery by pretending to care about our safety.

RG · 05-05-2010, 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Full Noise

I don’t know, it’s got me stuffed to know what goes through some people’s minds.

Petty bureaucrats trying to make our lives a living misery by pretending to care about our safety.

Yet when the RCH was questioned they stated they had only had 2 cases of children being injured when playing with a kite in the last decade. Both of them were due to falls....

If you click the link to the Berwick local paper Casey council also states that they are having to repair burnt grass due to spilled fuel and running engines.

What a weak excuse.

MAD · 05-05-2010, 12:08 PM

Council laws like this should not be allowed.
How is someone from another council supposed to know the local laws? They could be travelling from Gippsland lakes heading to Adelaide and stop in Cranbourne for a lunch break and let the kids out for a short play with the kites they just received for Christmas.

What a friggen joke!

**Polyal** · 05-05-2010, 12:14 PM

Must admit I have not read all of the thread, but has anyone else thought we have way to many levels of governance in this country? There are so many levels where you could easily do away with one or two; so many process that should be standardize over the county are different in each state.

For example, my wife and I moved to tassie, she was good and swapped her license over (I held onto my VIC one), we moved back two years later and she goes to swap back to VIC and they request a meeting to change the license.

We go to the meeting, with passports and current licenses only to be told she needs to bring her birth certificate and marriage certificate to change over. It was only two years ago and she holds a current TAS license..WTF. Same country, we got a passport in the time, so its good enough for federal but not state..ah!

Seems there are lots of tiers just to keep some people employed. So much money could be saved by getting rid of multiple laws and rules.

MAD · 05-05-2010, 12:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Polyal

Must admit I have not read all of the thread, but has anyone else thought we have way to many levels of governance in this country? There are so many levels where you could easily do away with one or two; so many process that should be standardize over the county are different in each state.

Seems there are lots of tiers just to keep some people employed. So much money could be saved by getting rid of multiple laws and rules.

I wholly agree.

We are all from the same country, surely we can all abide by the same laws, be educated under the same system, and drive nationally on an Australian licence.

MAD · 05-05-2010, 12:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Casey Community - Local Law No. 2 - 2010

44. Municipal Reserves
(1) A person must not, except with a permit, in or on a reserve;
(a) enter upon or remain on an area set aside as a playing
ground during the course of an authorised sporting match
or gathering unless that person is a player, official or
competitor in or at a sporting match or gathering; or
(b) climb or jump on any wall, fence, gate, seat or other
structure; or
(c) intentionally roll or throw any stone or missile that is
dangerous or is likely to be dangerous to any person or
animal or has caused or is likely to cause any damage; or
(d) use any children's playground equipment other than for the
purpose for which it is provided; or
(e) play, engage in or practise any game or sport, whether or
not in accordance with a permit issued under this Local
Law, in a manner that is;
(i) dangerous to any other person in the reserve;
or
(ii) likely to interfere with the reasonable use or
enjoyment of the reserve by any other person;
or
(f) play or practise golf other than in a reserve designated or
set aside as a golf course; or
(g) fly or permit to be flown any aircraft; or
(h) ride or drive a vehicle or animal in a manner or in a place
which is likely to damage or ruin any grassed area or turf
surface or otherwise interfere with the use of the reserve
by another person; or
(i) play, organise, practise or engage in any organised
competitive sport or game; or
(j) destroy, damage or interfere with any flora or kill, injure or
interfere with any fauna; or
(k) use an amplifier; or
(l) walk on any plot, bed, border or any other area set aside
for vegetation.

I especially like (e), (i) and (k).
Playing cricket or footy or any other team sport would remove the oval, in use, as an option for others to enjoy, but (i) says you cant even do this.
... And I must remember to turn of my car stereo before entering the carpark of a reserve.

rodderz · 11-05-2010, 11:28 PM

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Originally Posted by MAD

I especially like (e), (i) and (k).
Playing cricket or footy or any other team sport would remove the oval, in use, as an option for others to enjoy, but (i) says you cant even do this.
... And I must remember to turn of my car stereo before entering the carpark of a reserve.

It's laughable that list, might as well shut the parks down if we can't use it for anything but laying a blanket down for a picnic.

Interesting story about a particular one-eyed councillor in my area. I just finished a job last week for a guy who had done some units on his property. Had the units passed by council, approved (albeit with a few arguments back and forth), they are all built now, finished and up for rent. Last week when we were there, 3 councillors including the mayor (one eyed willy) walk through the place not on an official visit, proclaiming that it's all done wrong and it shouldnt of been passed, trees wrong species, style wrong etc. The owner came out and said thats funny your crew stamped my applications which ultimately has your signature. He said he visited to show his other 2 cronies what not to allow in the ward and that an old lady down the road had complained to the local rag- this was his way of getting some credibility of "acting for the community" through the paper.

Owner later told me years ago he personally knocked back applications to renovate their clubhouse for the lacrosse club, only to be the bloke cutting the ribbon at the grand opening when the club got a federal grant for the works. It's all about kissing bottoms and improving their credentials in politics.

Jim Goose · 11-05-2010, 11:30 PM

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(g) fly or permit to be flown any aircraft; or

Ok so where do i land my 737???
Im assuming by this they mean "model" aircraft....

While we all go on about the "nanny" state it must be remembered that a few decades ago it was everyone sueing everyone for the most stupidest of reasons.

In essence WE (as a society) brought this on ourselves by the simple fact that some person approached a lawyer and said I wanna make as much money from this as possible. Look at the USA and how rediculas it got in the 1980/90s.

Lawyers acting for all levels of government recommend these idiotic laws and by-laws so councils and state governments cant be sued.
Yes there are also total "a-holes" in some councils which allow the perceived power go to their heads.....

Its the same with companies and OH&S.

anto · 12-05-2010, 01:18 PM

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Originally Posted by MethodX

Gawd not the Teahadists, a bunch of racist fascist sore losers.

how do you figure? bit of a generalisation dont you think ?

**Full Noise** · 15-06-2010, 11:40 PM

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/cho...-1225879657815

Franco Cozzo · 16-06-2010, 12:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Full Noise

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/cho...-1225879657815

Man, that was the best thing at school, you'd see some kid walking around the school selling $1.20 chocolates, about $1 each cheaper than the school canteen and no crap, he'd sell out in 10 minutes.

RG · 16-06-2010, 09:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Full Noise

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/cho...-1225879657815

Didn't you know that chocolate is the root of all evil and is devising a secret plan of world domination by making all children too fat and lazy to fight back.

On the plus side THIS free range parenting thing seems to be gaining momentum. Can only be a good thing.

Jason[98.EL] · 16-06-2010, 09:19 AM

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Originally Posted by RG

Didn't you know that chocolate is the root of all evil and is devising a secret plan of world domination by making all children too fat and lazy to fight back.

On the plus side THIS free range parenting thing seems to be gaining momentum. Can only be a good thing.

Free Rangers sounds like a new kids show

I agree with giving the a bit of freedom but there also needs to be something for them to do

Jason

**EDIT** I dont know if i could let my daughter free range yet though.