2018 SS (VXR) Commodore (slower than an Aurion...)

[MethodX]

Originally Posted by Bossxr8

Falcon wins because it was retired with dignity, and not been raped and turned into a FWD turd that any true Commodore fan would spit on.

There will be a 4wd v6 too.
And when you boil it all down the falcon was a continuously raped xk from 1960 with Yank hand me downs.

All how you look at it.

[commodorenutt]

From the XA the Aussie Falcon was all Aussie - albeit with yank styling influences (or euro, in the case of the XD's Granada look, and the EA "face" styling phase). But you can see by the end of each generation since the XA, the styling became more uniquely Aussie - the marked difference of the EL compared to anything Ford global, and the BA too.

The only variation to that was the FG-X, where it was "morphed" from the uniquely Aussie FG styling (with the exception of some grille shapes shared with Euros), into the latest Mondeo & Mustang style to keep the "family" look.

The AU would have been worse than the mid-90s Taurus if Aussie Falcons were yank hand-me-downs, and we certainly wouldn't have had (arguably) the very pleasant looking XF, EF/EL, BA & FG models that we did.

[Bossxr8]

Originally Posted by Elpaterico

Falcon retired because they could not compete with the VF SS


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We really need a dumbest post of the year comp cause this would win hands down

[roddy1960]

Originally Posted by commodorenutt

From the XA the Aussie Falcon was all Aussie - albeit with yank styling influences (or euro, in the case of the XD's Granada look, and the EA "face" styling phase). But you can see by the end of each generation since the XA, the styling became more uniquely Aussie - the marked difference of the EL compared to anything Ford global, and the BA too.

The only variation to that was the FG-X, where it was "morphed" from the uniquely Aussie FG styling (with the exception of some grille shapes shared with Euros), into the latest Mondeo & Mustang style to keep the "family" look.

The AU would have been worse than the mid-90s Taurus if Aussie Falcons were yank hand-me-downs, and we certainly wouldn't have had (arguably) the very pleasant looking XF, EF/EL, BA & FG models that we did.

I agree . So many American comments re the look of the later Falcons revolve around genuine keen appreciation of them . Many YT comments are like
"You Aussies know how to build a car". or "Why can't we have this in the U.S." etc . FG is a particular favourite , especially the GT-P and GT-F.

[PooDog]

Originally Posted by MethodX

There will be a 4wd v6 too.
And when you boil it all down the falcon was a continuously raped xk from 1960 with Yank hand me downs.

All how you look at it.

The thing to take out of this statement is ......how important it is to keep up with those regular visits to the opticians

[DJM83]

Originally Posted by arronm

Go sit in one , then sit in 2016. Copy paste

Yeah nah I don't see that at all. In some aspects I do but not many.

[MethodX]

Originally Posted by muzman

The thing to take out of this statement is ......how important it is to keep up with those regular visits to the opticians

Oh yes I forgot, Ford was allowed to be a multinational. GM Aus wasn't.
Different set of rules.
Despite the Falcon simply being a continuously updated XK..

Yeah see your optician, and your headshrinker too.

[MethodX]

Originally Posted by roddy1960

I agree . So many American comments re the look of the later Falcons revolve around genuine keen appreciation of them . Many YT comments are like
"You Aussies know how to build a car". or "Why can't we have this in the U.S." etc . FG is a particular favourite , especially the GT-P and GT-F.

Then if and when they get them, they don't sell.
Not American, not enough blue steel. Should have been made in America.
The Ford family called the Falcon bland.

[PepeLePew]

Maybe agree to disagree rather than pursue this line further?

A lot of late Commo's were V8's. Don't see this appealing to V8 buyers no matter how fast it goes around corners. It's probably a good car. But looks bland in my eyes. None of these comparisons would likely happen if they'd simply chosen another name....

[Ford17]

Originally Posted by PepeLePew

Maybe agree to disagree rather than pursue this line further?

A lot of late Commo's were V8's. Don't see this appealing to V8 buyers no matter how fast it goes around corners. It's probably a good car. But looks bland in my eyes. None of these comparisons would likely happen if they'd simply chosen another name....

Thanks for getting things back on track.

The thread's about the new Commodore - which looks look a big step backwards from the model it is replacing - and the usual culprit(s) are busy attacking the FG-X again

[PooDog]

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[commodorenutt]

Originally Posted by roddy1960

I agree . So many American comments re the look of the later Falcons revolve around genuine keen appreciation of them . Many YT comments are like
"You Aussies know how to build a car". or "Why can't we have this in the U.S." etc . FG is a particular favourite , especially the GT-P and GT-F.

I work for an American company. I was lucky enough to take one yank for a spin in the media GT-E in 2010. Then the FPV representative showed us how to get the most out of it. He thought he was going to vomit!
Then he started working out the costs of buying one, and shipping it back to the states. He asked some pretty serious questions about the RHD components too.
Today - he drives a Roush enhanced Mustang.

I've also taken several other yanks on decent trips in my FG, and they all loved it. One couldn't believe the torque of the 4L, and insisted on checking "under the hood" for a V8 or hidden turbo. I'd love to see his reaction to a G6ET. One of the others was amazed that "propane can go so well" - it's LPi.

All of them lamented the loss of RWD sedans in the US - cars they grew up with as kids and loved. Most of my contacts over there live in the less congested areas and drive the large "trucks" like F150s or truck-based SUVs like Suburbans, but some are reliving the RWD V8 dream, albeit with 2 doors - with cars like 4th Gen Camaros, a 70s El-Camino with an LS1, and the aforementioned Mustang. Only one was lucky enough to pick up a G8 for the right price, and loves it. He complained the Chevy SS was way overpriced for their market, despite it's credentials & performance.

Originally Posted by PepeLePew

Maybe agree to disagree rather than pursue this line further?

A lot of late Commo's were V8's. Don't see this appealing to V8 buyers no matter how fast it goes around corners. It's probably a good car. But looks bland in my eyes. None of these comparisons would likely happen if they'd simply chosen another name....

Totally agree. I'm done with it. The ones I own are all V8s spanning 30 years, and I wouldn't have it any other way. Ironically I got an email today from Holden offering an extension of staff pricing out to suppliers. Does not interest me one bit. But I was tempted to email back & ask for the price on a V8 Calais V

The V8 was certainly popular with private buyers - some of the stats we were told from sub-tier suppliers (who could compare V8 to V6 components they were supplying) saw the % mix of V8s increasing more & more over the last couple of years. Without those private V8 sales, they probably would have had to close up sooner. I don't see many of them considering a V6 AWD as a suitable replacement - especially if Kia or Hyundai start offering a V8.

[Blue Roo]

Originally Posted by MethodX

There will be a 4wd v6 too.
And when you boil it all down the falcon was a continuously raped xk from 1960 with Yank hand me downs.

All how you look at it.

Well! If that's the way you want to look at it.
Good old GMH Australia isn't squeaky clean either. They have been bastardising their models for years. Go back to the very first Holden that was bulit in 1948. The FX. Where did the Design of the FX Holden came from? You guess it GM America.
In your words " Holden has been using Yank hand me down Designs since 1948." Also it's worth noting that your precious Commodore was originality a European Design. Remember?

[baker1]

On a slightly off track note, is this new commodore powered by the same 3.6 gm v6 that is notorious for timing chains stretching that they use in the US?

[MethodX]

Originally Posted by Blue Roo

Well! If that's the way you want to look at it.
Good old GMH Australia isn't squeaky clean either. They have been bastardising their models for years. Go back to the very first Holden that was bulit in 1948. The FX. Where did the Design of the FX Holden came from? You guess it GM America.
In your words " Holden has been using Yank hand me down Designs since 1948." Also it's worth noting that your precious Commodore was originality a European Design. Remember?

No quibble or problem there, all part of being a multinational... notice that word again.
just you lot who thought that Ford Aus was a completely independent entity that Ford America had no say over... how did that work out for you?

[vztrt]

Originally Posted by arronm

Go sit in one , then sit in 2016. Copy paste

Could be worse. Could still be in a b-series.

[arronm]

Yep and could be even worse and be in an X series...

I have a VF for a daily with all the bells and whistles. And a BA and BF for the power....

[PooDog]

Originally Posted by MethodX

No quibble or problem there, all part of being a multinational... notice that word again.
just you lot who thought that Ford Aus was a completely independent entity that Ford America had no say over... how did that work out for you?

god knows what this has to do with the latest commodore being slower than an aurion .....admire your relentless defence of anything GM.....just gets a bit



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[MethodX]

Originally Posted by muzman

god knows what this has to do with the latest commodore being slower than an aurion .....admire your relentless defence of anything GM.....just gets a bit



zzzz

Not as bad as some of the ummm "people" here pathological hatred of them.
Despite being from the same country and making the same sort of cars.

Yet they like Japanese cars and French hot hatches and the like... bizzare..
All in fun...

[nstg8a]

The commodore will most likely be a decent car in its own right, and I'm picking is going to sell better than many of us think.
But that market will be a different market to existing commodore buyers.

[kevino]

Be interesting to see how they advertise new (opel) commodore.
Remember SIDI -''The most important change in Commodores history''
Be a challenge for teh GMH marketing folk.

[Mercury Bullet]

Ignore function on the forum is bliss.

[Syndrome]

Originally Posted by MethodX

There will be a 4wd v6 too.
And when you boil it all down the falcon was a continuously raped xk from 1960 with Yank hand me downs.

All how you look at it.

Wrong. From the XA model the Falcon was an Australian design with very few hand me downs from the Yanks.

Sucks to be you.

[MethodX]

Originally Posted by Syndrome

Wrong. From the XA model the Falcon was an Australian design with very few hand me downs from the Yanks.

Sucks to be you.

Designed in an American studio, by the same team who designed the VF valiant.
V8 engines lines were imported,then made here.
The HO engine was to be continuously imported.
The coupe was designed by an Englishman, then they didn't sell, which happens with coupes in Aus.

The XD was an XC with Granada styling in top.

[hackney]

Bit of a quiz for you lot,re,the XA Falcon.Anybody now what “XA” stands for?(And yes,before you ask,I do know.) Cheers & good luck!

[burnz]

Originally Posted by Chopped

Ok, maybe not slower but what a backwards step. Just show the Commodore name some respect and kill it off. This new thing doesn't deserve the nameplate.

http://www.caradvice.com.au/568754/2...rending&slot=0

" Holden has officially revealed its replacement for the SS Commodore, the new 2018 Holden Commodore VXR, set to go on sale as part of Holden’s Insignia-based Commodore line-up.

Due for release in 2018, the Commodore VXR boasts a naturally aspirated 3.6-litre petrol V6 engine that produces 235kW of power and 381Nm of torque, mated to a nine-speed automatic transmission and all-wheel drive....

...Holden isn’t talking 0-100km/h times, but we’d expect this vehicle to sit within the 6-7 second territory, making it around a second slower than the current V8 powered SS Commodore.... "

Commodore going to be beat by a KIA

as a holden fan this is not for me,, i'll stick with the vee eight...

[Maka]

NA VXR, no turbo because its already at Jenny Craigs (too heavy) lol?

cheers, Maka

[stevanford]

I saw one in Newcastle at the V8s. The car is so uninspiring. Looks plain and boring.

[Bossxr8]

Originally Posted by nstg8a

The commodore will most likely be a decent car in its own right, and I'm picking is going to sell better than many of us think.
But that market will be a different market to existing commodore buyers.

I highly doubt it will sell at all. V8's made up 45% of sales in the last few years, and with no ute, LWB, manual trans etc I can't see why anyone would be interested in one. Especially when fleet sales will pretty much disappear (government ones especially with no buy Australian criteria).

And it looks so boring and uninspiring. I'd be surprised if it could even sell 800-1000 a month.

[nstg8a]

1000 a month would probably be considered a win, and maybe be more profitable than vf?
Who knows haha


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