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21-08-2013, 12:59 PM | #211 | |||
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22-08-2013, 07:30 AM | #213 | ||
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And us lucky SC GT owners reap the rewards of that $40 Mil....Love that engine!
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22-08-2013, 07:50 AM | #214 | |||
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You point is well put, I was trying to compare what Ford/FPV spend on the Miami compared to what GM spent on the LSA. I was under the impression it was 20mil not 40 mil (if they did spend 40mil I'd love to see the business case for it) While I have no idea what GM actually spent on the LSA, I suspect what FPV spent wouldn't be more than 25% of their budget.
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22-08-2013, 07:27 PM | #215 | ||
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Latest Wheels mag has a comparo of the GTS vs the E63 S.
GTS ran 12.8 @ 183kmh. E63 S was half a second quicker and nearly 10kmh faster.
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22-08-2013, 07:51 PM | #216 | ||
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Yes I got that magazine today and didn't they give it to the XR6, everything from the colour, interior, exterior and price, they had the price at $45000 for a standard XR6 with a few options , the VF could do no wrong, they even thought it look great. Really bad review.
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22-08-2013, 07:53 PM | #217 | ||
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http://news.drive.com.au/drive/new-c...821-2sa9j.html
Not sure if this has been posted. Drive comparo between the AMG and GTS. Good review actually. 12.3 for AMG 12.6 for GTS AMG sounds tough... GTS sounds meh... From the pics, seems like a dry drag track. GTS seems like a decent bit of gear , but for the money, I wouldn't buy either of them... would go for the GT instead
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22-08-2013, 09:04 PM | #218 | ||
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Motoring loves the HSV GTS in the wet
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yx_l...e_gdata_player
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22-08-2013, 09:17 PM | #219 | ||
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why are they all comparing the GTS with GT??? the GT is more on par with a Clubsport with 340kw upgrade both on power and price so comparing a GTS to the GT is stupid, why not compare a SV6 with an XR6T...thats not fair is it?
plus with all the tech in a new GTS they will be all junk in 10 years i'd still love one though!
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22-08-2013, 09:35 PM | #220 | ||
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Change the god damn title please
HSV GTS 430kw could only manage a 4.6 0-100klm Same as a FPV GT Rspec 335kw with 100 less kw
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22-08-2013, 09:36 PM | #221 | |||
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Had a look at a VF Redline ute today, 3 grand cheaper rrp than a GS. Love the interior. I'd still take a GS with leather but shall see what 2014 brings. The old man works at a Holden dealer, 1st VF in under warranty, broken piston ring, SS sedan, just over 1000km old. Owner wants his money back The same dealer has three new VFs on the showroom floor, out the front on the road is a couple of Colorado and Cruzes on show. Reminds me of the lame effort Ford went thru with the Falcon. |
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22-08-2013, 09:40 PM | #222 | ||
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Wasn't it Wheels who got 4.52 out of a manual R spec??
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22-08-2013, 10:06 PM | #223 | ||
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Yep. GTS still hasn't beaten this time yet. As it stands the R spec is still the quickest aussie muscle car ever made, until the day someone can get the GTS to go faster.
LOL at Wheels saying, and i'll quote, of the GTS, "doesn't feel like a 12.3 car". Probably because HSV's quoted times are absolute bllsht. |
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22-08-2013, 10:06 PM | #224 | ||
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22-08-2013, 10:21 PM | #225 | ||
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Really?
That must have been a crap driver to have achieved that run in the GT R Spec. Oh that's right it was in a Falcon so it was legit
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22-08-2013, 10:26 PM | #226 | ||
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Yep it does mean the Wheels Drivers are crap
With the HSV GTS 430kw Drive's Driver got 4.6sec 0-100klms Wheels Driver got 4.8sec 0-100klms So going by this fact alone the 4.6sec the Wheels Driver got in the FPV GT Rspec could have been .2 sec quicker with a Drive's Driver
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22-08-2013, 10:28 PM | #227 | ||
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here the thing about the aborted run with the GT-R spec
http://motoring.ninemsn.com.au/cars/...-fpv-gt-r-spec |
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22-08-2013, 10:29 PM | #228 | ||
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I agree. Same as the other thread,..spanked ? I think not.
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22-08-2013, 10:31 PM | #229 | |||
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Then there is different timing equipment, different tracks, different temps, different conditions, hell you guys seem to bring all these variables up each time a Falcon is run.
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22-08-2013, 10:33 PM | #230 | ||
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Your direct and indirect cheap shots at the Falcon and its supporters got old long ago. And btw I was referring to the GTS time of 12.8. But history shows Wheels times should be taken with a grain of salt no matter what the car.
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22-08-2013, 10:36 PM | #231 | |||
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There is a whole forum for you to search to verify
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22-08-2013, 11:09 PM | #232 | ||
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I doubt the r spec has 100kw less than the gts, they probably have about the same power as each other going by 1/4 times.
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23-08-2013, 12:17 AM | #233 | ||
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Due to fords understatement and Holden's over statement as usual
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23-08-2013, 06:18 AM | #234 | ||||
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There was a link on LS1 forums where the GTS did very well against the E63 merc around the track. Not sure why people are getting so worked up over all this? Reminds me of my school days! How about we all wait and see what it does when the car has been available for a while. How lucky we are for those that can afford either of the two we have such good options. And those that can't afford a new one, imagine the options in a few years times! |
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23-08-2013, 08:07 AM | #235 | ||
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It's always risky when car manufacturers quote 0-100 times and throw it out there like HSV do. It's a time the average man will not achieve and it would be a little disappointing for the owner.
That's one thing FPV always did right, under promised and over delivered where it mattered....power figures...because as they say, numbers don't lie...
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23-08-2013, 08:10 AM | #236 | ||
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FFS, why are most members on this Forum so obsessed with performance numbers? Everybody comparing times and dyno figures, and making excuses and accusations and only quoting or discrediting reviews that suit their own mindset and argument? All I see is a bunch of GT SC owners with premature inferiority complex issues? Be proud of what you own. Honestly, does it really matter if one car is a tenth or two slower in a straight line, seriously? There's more to a performance vehicle than the numbers. And for those that say the GTS isn't worth $92k, the market or public always decides a vehicles value by 'supply and demand', so i'm sure HSV know what they are doing.
What amazes me, is not one GT SC owner has come out and said they actually take a 'moral victory' from what HSV are doing with the GTS. The GT R-Spec is a wonderful vehicle, a straight line brute, hence HSV has lifted the bar with the GTS, is the way I see it. If HSV manage to beat FPV at their own game, and give their buyers a vehicle with greater performance and superior technology and a greater all-round package, just see that as evolution and great for those in the market for one of these vehicles. A great opposition whether it be FPV or HSV can only breed greater competition, and as always, we will all be the winners eventually. Why can't people see the glass as being half full, rather than half empty all the time? |
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23-08-2013, 08:19 AM | #237 | |||
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23-08-2013, 08:58 AM | #238 | |||
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Geez, people STILL rattle on about HO 1/4 mile times compared to Charger, about L34s & A9Xs Vs XB GT etc... It is ALWAYS going to happen, AND by both camps... It isn't just THIS forum. I'll guarantee LS1 have exactly the same sort of posts regarding their newest "GT or F6 beater". I do agree that both sides offerings are currently the absolute ducks nuts for us enthusiasts.. Never have we been SO spoilt.
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23-08-2013, 09:07 AM | #239 | ||
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Glen 5150 - Can't speak for other SC FPV owners but as far as i'm concerned its great that HSV has finally delivered a vehicle that's worthy of comparison with FPV.
What's a bit of a **** is the way HSV try and compare their cars to the Euro's, make claims regarding engine power, acceleration e.t.c. that don't appear to add up and that is why people are enjoying taking the **** from this car. There's also the "minor" matter of its extremly ugly rear end and much like the ugliest kid at school, that's another reason it'll cop some flak. Then there's the price... Besides that as Charliewool has suggested above, its the nature of the beast to compare FPV with HSV, always has been and always will be... |
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23-08-2013, 09:30 AM | #240 | |||
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With regards to HSV comparing themselves to Euro's, good luck to them, can I suggest if FPV took this route years ago and expanding their market share, rather than boxing themselves into a corner in a straight Ford v Holden dogfight, FPV may be in a better financial position than they currently are and have a viable future. As I've said it before, call it slick marketing, big budget advertising or smoke and mirrors, but HSV make a great product also. Credit to them both. |
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