NSW Cyclists Fined $1.33m in 2016.

[prydey]

Originally Posted by commodorenutt

I have sustained over $800 damage from a self-absorbed MAMIL who didn't want to unclip his feet from the pedals because he was simply too hardcore, and leant on the car beside me at the lights (I'm surprised he didn't run the red light).
Driver of said car took exception to it, as you would, but instead of using verbal means to make his point, he chose to bunny-hop the clutch, skittling the cyclist onto the front guard, bonnet, and bumper of my car. I got out to help him, and pointed to the damage, only to be told "haha, get F'd, you gotta catch me" before he took off down a footpath & across an oval, with no way of being able to catch him. So how is that fair to me?
THAT sort of behaviour would be dealt with if there were some form of ID or rego system that was clearly visible, but I'm not holding my breath for it.

That's poor form by the Cyclist. I'm a Cyclist and if someone leant on my car to balance, I'd be tempted to do the same thing.

I guess it's all about respect. If you want respect you have to give respect.

Just don't judge us all by the actions of a few. Some of us do try to share the road, which includes obeying the rules.

[Dave1966]

Originally Posted by prydey

Anyone who yells at me from their car window as they try to shove me off the road.

Re: NSW Cyclists Fined $1.33m in 2016.
its a silly argument anyway, esp when shouted out the window by some neanderthal, because even if i paid rego, i would still be there. its almost like they think if i paid rego it would make me disappear.

Heres what ya said budd. nothing to do with runnin off the roads it was about rego. anyways how's the swimmin going in that river budd

[Dave1966]

Originally Posted by blueoval

happy to pay my $64. So be it. But I warn you, I will take up the WHOLE road considering I pay for it then.
So which government department should I send my cheque to, and what else will everyone whinge about when this is implemented?

well I pay fer the all ya can eat buffet at the pub but I still share it with the other lads hey. the department of common sense need funding maybe old mal should start one up and send the money to them.

[MAGPIE]

Originally Posted by commodorenutt

So how is that fair to me?
THAT sort of behaviour would be dealt with if there were some form of ID or rego system that was clearly visible, but I'm not holding my breath for it.

No less fair than a car driver damaging your car in a shopping center carpark and not owning up to it.

Life is not fair, deal with it.

I have had more damage done to my cars over the years by motorists than cyclists.

[Dave1966]

Originally Posted by prydey

That's poor form by the Cyclist. I'm a Cyclist and if someone leant on my car to balance, I'd be tempted to do the same thing.

don't do that budd it would make ya a bad driver and don't yell at him out the window like a Neanderthal

[Dave1966]

Originally Posted by MAGPIE

No less fair than a car driver damaging your car in a shopping center carpark and not owning up to it.

Life is not fair, deal with it.

Yer cark park dents pritty well the same as the old farting in the lift. people do it and deny it coz they can get away with it

Yer spot on about life not being fair bro. I always wanted to be a porn star but I was told I didn't have the face fer it. bit of a shame coz I go pritty good hey but I just said "oh well life isn't fair deal with it" and it works good hey. reckon next time some Neanderthal in a car does anythin to you on your bike just do the same thing and say oh well life is not fair deal with it like Ol Davo did. true

[commodorenutt]

Originally Posted by MAGPIE

No less fair than a car driver damaging your car in a shopping center carpark and not owning up to it.

Life is not fair, deal with it.

I have had more damage done to my cars over the years by motorists than cyclists.

Before telling me to "deal with it" how about you think about the example you used, and how it is very different.

The culprit on the bike was right there, and I even helped him get up.

Same scenario, using your example of a car driver in a shopping centre carpark, and very few would do a runner (much easier to catch them on foot if they did, or follow their car if they drove) but even if they did exactly the same "F-U" and took off, the obvious thing - which is what my rego comment was about - is that you can ID them by their numberplate.

Originally Posted by prydey

That's poor form by the Cyclist. I'm a Cyclist and if someone leant on my car to balance, I'd be tempted to do the same thing.

I guess it's all about respect. If you want respect you have to give respect.

Just don't judge us all by the actions of a few. Some of us do try to share the road, which includes obeying the rules.

I don't, and many of my friends cycle. I do realise that guy is a minority, same with the clown who caused his fall - who is equally to blame.

Same with the animal bike couriers who mow down pedestrians, and have little squealing sirens to tell people "get outta my way" - they may stick in people's minds, especially if you've been clipped on the back of the ankle by their pedals, but I'm smart enough to realise they are a minority as well.

The only time I encounter cyclists whilst driving is on weekends, and I've never had an issue with them.

I've been held up by them on the odd occasion, yes, but I never harassed them, even when crawling along at 10km/h up a hill in the national park behind 3 of them zig-zagging side to side in the lane up the hill. FFS it's a weekend - people can do what they want to do. I chose to participate in something I like doing, and so did they.

At the destination, we actually met up with those same cyclists, and they complimented us (a group of Brock Commodores) on our cars. One guy even owned a nice VK 5L replica, and started asking about if he could join the club. As you can imagine, the convo turned to behaviour on the roads, and every single member of their group (by now numbering about 20) had been hit at least once by a Maccas thick shake thrown from a moving car.

I am one of the least anti-cyclist people posting in this thread, yet some see fit to try to label me as one, simply because I'm offering a balanced view.

[prydey]

Originally Posted by commodorenutt

I am one of the least anti-cyclist people posting in this thread, yet some see fit to try to label me as one, simply because I'm offering a balanced view.

sorry for any confusion. i was only replying to you in regards to the cyclist leaning on the car. the rest of my post wasn't directed at you. just general comments.

[prydey]

Originally Posted by Dave1966

Heres what ya said budd. nothing to do with runnin off the roads it was about rego. anyways how's the swimmin going in that river budd

i know what i said, as does everyone else, as its all there in plain english.

if you are trying to get to me, you have a mountain to climb. us cyclists have thick skins

[Dave1966]

Nah mate not gettin anyone hey. reckon you go pritty good on a bike to. sorry to hear about the thick skin bro, bit of moisturiser will help heaps but I wouldn't take up dancing fella,you seem to trip on yer own feet a bit. later boyz off to work now

[Ben73]

Originally Posted by commodorenutt

I wasn't having a go at cyclists, I was merely showing the math on the estimate for the post above mine, and making the comment that the NSW govt wouldn't miss any opportunity to grab another $64.

I fail to see how your theory works for my 65km each-way commute though.
I'm lucky to see 1 cyclist a month, and that's normally a young fool with no helmet free-wheeling down the hill, on the footpath, towards the railway station in the residential area near where I live. I'm yet to see one on the M7 during peak hour in over 8 years of travelling it daily.

Rego does have some merits though.

I have sustained over $800 damage from a self-absorbed MAMIL who didn't want to unclip his feet from the pedals because he was simply too hardcore, and leant on the car beside me at the lights (I'm surprised he didn't run the red light).
Driver of said car took exception to it, as you would, but instead of using verbal means to make his point, he chose to bunny-hop the clutch, skittling the cyclist onto the front guard, bonnet, and bumper of my car. I got out to help him, and pointed to the damage, only to be told "haha, get F'd, you gotta catch me" before he took off down a footpath & across an oval, with no way of being able to catch him. So how is that fair to me?
THAT sort of behaviour would be dealt with if there were some form of ID or rego system that was clearly visible, but I'm not holding my breath for it.

Perfect example of why all road ridden bikes should have a plate. I don't care if it's just a one off order fee to pay for the plate.
Like that guy who beat up the bus driver in Brisbane recently. He got away with road rage because no one could identify him.
I know cyclists will just say "yeah but people can put on a fake plate"
Obviously, just like how all other road vehicles can do that. But most accidents and road rage incidents involve regular people who were not expecting to be involved in that situation. How many would be using fake plates on their daily commute unless they were out looking to cause problems.

[prydey]

Originally Posted by Dave1966

but I wouldn't take up dancing fella,you seem to trip on yer own feet a bit.

i'll try to speak slower and use smaller words for you in the future

[Franco Cozzo]

Wrong thread

[mcnews]

Originally Posted by Ben73

Perfect example of why all road ridden bikes should have a plate. I don't care if it's just a one off order fee to pay for the plate.
Like that guy who beat up the bus driver in Brisbane recently. He got away with road rage because no one could identify him.
I know cyclists will just say "yeah but people can put on a fake plate"
Obviously, just like how all other road vehicles can do that. But most accidents and road rage incidents involve regular people who were not expecting to be involved in that situation. How many would be using fake plates on their daily commute unless they were out looking to cause problems.

Pedestrians should have a number plate too....

Seriously where does it stop...

I can't believe people want our suffocatingly nanny state to become even more nanny and have rules for everything. People like you will want people to have a licence to walk to the shops, a licence to breathe...

[blackf6]

Just had a brainwave. Make every rego payer, pay a cyclist Tariff on top of their rego. Or a cyclist tax on the purchase on a new bicycle. Also you could put a tax on the Lycra garment at point of sale.

[Dave1966]

Originally Posted by prydey

i'll try to speak slower and use smaller words for you in the future

Haha all good I'm used to fast talkin people. my ex was a fast talker like you but no one paid much attention to her either . she always had to have the last say like you too,but all gud and don't worry budd

[blueoval]

Originally Posted by commodorenutt

I wasn't having a go at cyclists, I was merely showing the math on the estimate for the post above mine, and making the comment that the NSW govt wouldn't miss any opportunity to grab another $64.

I fail to see how your theory works for my 65km each-way commute though.
I'm lucky to see 1 cyclist a month, and that's normally a young fool with no helmet free-wheeling down the hill, on the footpath, towards the railway station in the residential area near where I live. I'm yet to see one on the M7 during peak hour in over 8 years of travelling it daily.

Rego does have some merits though.

I have sustained over $800 damage from a self-absorbed MAMIL who didn't want to unclip his feet from the pedals because he was simply too hardcore, and leant on the car beside me at the lights (I'm surprised he didn't run the red light).
Driver of said car took exception to it, as you would, but instead of using verbal means to make his point, he chose to bunny-hop the clutch, skittling the cyclist onto the front guard, bonnet, and bumper of my car. I got out to help him, and pointed to the damage, only to be told "haha, get F'd, you gotta catch me" before he took off down a footpath & across an oval, with no way of being able to catch him. So how is that fair to me?
THAT sort of behaviour would be dealt with if there were some form of ID or rego system that was clearly visible, but I'm not holding my breath for it.

Sorry to hear this. That guy is a total tosspot and I hope Karma got the better of him. it annoys me that the few losers ruin it for the rest of us and primarily gives us a bad name. In saying this, I had a car accident where another person didnt give way from a side street and ended up me T boning them. They didnt have insurance or I.D and ended up fleeing the scene on foot, so I was out of pocket using my own comprehensive insurance excess which I could never get back because the car didnt belong to the driver. So it's not just cyclists who are W******

In rare events like this though, I.D of some form does play its part. It also serves as a deterrent to would be shurkers of accountability. I have no issue with wearing I.D or at least carrying it and owning up to my own failings. I can assure you of this.

In regards to the rego grab position, I can see what you mean there. But going by your account, cyclists really don't really pose as big a problem compared to the contrary of anticyclist comments here and other other threads. I find this amusing as it feels a bit like a mob mentality where it starts with 1 person who has an issue, so they gee everyone else up with rhetoric to justify their need to be prejudice. This then translates to the road attitude and every time these drivers see a cyclist in lycra, they look at them not as a human but a cockroach ready to be squashed. My question is, by cyclists paying rego, will this attitude in driver prejudice change?

[DBourne]

Now I know there is probably no point in posting this, but I thought it was interesting (and aptly timed!) to read.

To those who bang on that bikes HAVE to have licence plates because that will solve any issues, have a read.

Also, take two seconds to think how your inattention, or rush to get somewhere can severely alter someone's life.

On the first day of the new laws, as you may recall, I was hit by a motorcyclist from behind when attempting to turn right on my usual commute home. It was awful to be a victim of the law not being followed, and not being given that meter space the law states I deserve, had I been given it I would of been safe but he didn't leave time or space for me, he didn't even wait for the police at the scene as I was taken away by an ambulance.

I chased up for months with the police to see if the motorcyclist who hit me received his justice and after six months of periodic check-up calls, I made one last final one to be told "oh, yeah, they drew that up as inconclusive because they couldn't get any witnesses". Do I really feel safer with these new laws or is it time Sydney really got it's act together and created a safer place for cyclists to ride?

"Cyclists in NSW have been fined more than $1.33 million since harsher penalties came into force in March,.... the total value of penalties imposed on motorists for failing to pass riders at a safe distance pales in comparison – just $4857 in the seven months to September." I read this and it made my blood boil - there's never an accountability to the motorvehiclists who break this law and it's completely unfair. (http://www.smh.com.au/…/13-million-i...-first-…)

I can say I am so proud to be an ambassador for Cycliq now and I'm glad to know if this happened to me again, I will have the evidence recorded, two sets of bike lights with integrated cameras on repetitive recording loops and I truly recommend other cyclists take the same measurements to protect themselves.

To further this, I recently received a letter of demands from the motorcyclist who hit me - if you can believe it. He'd like a payment of $4,827.43 paid out for damages to his motorcycle. Next time he decides to cause a collision, my advice is to hit the brick wall next time, you'll get the same cash flow from it. No wonder Cadel Evans said "I'm not intimidated to ride in many places but Sydney is one of them" (http://www.smh.com.au/…/even-tour-de...adel-ev…)

[auxr]

Originally Posted by Dave1966

Haha all good I'm used to fast talkin people. my ex was a fast talker like you but no one paid much attention to her either . she always had to have the last say like you too,but all gud and don't worry budd

I think Dave1966 is waiting for some one else to reply - Nup, I'm not doing it.

[blueoval]

Originally Posted by DBourne

Now I know there is probably no point in posting this, but I thought it was interesting (and aptly timed!) to read.

To those who bang on that bikes HAVE to have licence plates because that will solve any issues, have a read.

Also, take two seconds to think how your inattention, or rush to get somewhere can severely alter someone's life.

I wouldn't bother Dave. Those who are prejudice won't bother reading it as it doesn't fit their ideology. Some people are blinded by their hatred for cyclists that all they can think about is how to get back at them. I recently read the comments for the article about the cyclist attacking the bus driver on facebook and I reckon 90% didnt even bother to read the article. It was pretty much comment after comment of abuse and hate including threats of running cyclists over for fun.

[ronwest]

Originally Posted by blueoval

I wouldn't bother Dave. Those who are prejudice won't bother reading it as it doesn't fit their ideology. Some people are blinded by their hatred for cyclists that all they can think about is how to get back at them. I recently read the comments for the article about the cyclist attacking the bus driver on facebook and I reckon 90% didnt even bother to read the article. It was pretty much comment after comment of abuse and hate including threats of running cyclists over for fun.

Yeah, the internet is full of precious souls.

I guess on the bright side it wasn't a Muslim, boat-person, cyclist.

Can you imagine the outrage...

[71cop]

Originally Posted by ronwest

Muslim, boat-person,
...

What are you trying to start here by mentioning these groups of people ? I don't see the relevance to the original topic.

[ronwest]

Originally Posted by 71cop

What are you trying to start here by mentioning these groups of people ? I don't see the relevance to the original topic.

Jeez, I'm sorry mate.

I meant to write about lycra clad pricesses or boofheads in cars.

I trust you'll let it slide this time?

Let me know if not and I'll be sure to run my future posts past you.

Thanks...

[b0son]

Originally Posted by DBourne

To those who bang on that bikes HAVE to have licence plates because that will solve any issues, have a read.

It's a band-aid, and really more about placating the motoring masses.

I'd much rather cyclists were charged an annual usage fee, and those funds put towards dedicated cycleways. The sooner bikes and cars are separated, the better.

[LG17]

Originally Posted by blackf6

Just had a brainwave. Make every rego payer, pay a cyclist Tariff on top of their rego. Or a cyclist tax on the purchase on a new bicycle. Also you could put a tax on the Lycra garment at point of sale.

There's already taxes on new bicycles and lycra clothing...

[DJM83]

Originally Posted by Dave1966

Nah mate not gettin anyone hey. reckon you go pritty good on a bike to. sorry to hear about the thick skin bro, bit of moisturiser will help heaps but I wouldn't take up dancing fella,you seem to trip on yer own feet a bit. later boyz off to work now

Wow, i can drive a car, ride my bike where i want and i can even spell. Thats 3 up on you i'd say!

[NX74205]

Originally Posted by commodorenutt

the clown who caused his fall - who is equally to blame.

The clown who caused his fall is that idiot cyclist himself. If he hadn't leant on someone else's car, nothing would've happened.

I don't think the driver of that other car did anything wrong at all, nor should he be liable for anything.

[noflac52]

This is a motoring enthusiasts forum and people are surprised at anti cycling rhetoric coming up from time to time. Go figure!

If you want a discussion about cycling and you want it warm and fuzzy try posting on a cycling forum. You will probably find just as many negative comments about car and truck drivers on there as you do about cyclists on here!

[blueoval]

Originally Posted by noflac52

This is a motoring enthusiasts forum and people are surprised at anti cycling rhetoric coming up from time to time. Go figure!

If you want a discussion about cycling and you want it warm and fuzzy try posting on a cycling forum. You will probably find just as many negative comments about car and truck drivers on there as you do about cyclists on here!

Actually no. Im on the Australian Cycling Forums and most of the time the arguments are objective and thought provoking not pushing one side or the other. The members there look at things from both angles and comment with logical responses that don't push any agenda other than a fair go. Sure you'll get a few one eyed comments but most people there aren't as negative about drivers as you think. Probably because they are all drivers themselves that also ride bikes. Go figure.

[Rallye Sport]

I agree with the plate idea but certainly not a rego fee... My three year old niece has just got her first bike, "better start saving your pocket money for the rego sweetheart"