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https://www.drive.com.au/news/austra...rowth-at-risk/
Australia new-car sales in October 2024: Toyota RAV4 on top again, but shrinking market puts yearly growth at risk Toyota RAV4 to the fore again in October, but its chances of catching the Ford Ranger to be the best-selling car in 2024 remain slim. Australia’s new-car sales in 2024 have now surpassed one million units with last month's sales data published today marking the second biggest October on record. Last month's sales of 99,969 units was a 6.4 per cent decrease over the same month in 2023, with the 106,809 recorded registrations last October a record. Overall, year-to-date (YTD) sales have crept over one million units, totalling 1,025,621 with two months of trading still to go. The YTD number puts 2024’s sales ahead of 2023’s pace over the same period, up 1.9 per cent and putting the market in a position to break new ground this calendar year, though predictions from industry insiders posit continued decreasing sales in the short-term future. The October 2024 sales figures listed here is sourced from VFACTS data published by the Federal Chamber of Automotive Industries (FCAI), Australia's peak body for new-car brands, as well as Tesla and Polestar data distributed through the Electric Vehicle Council, as these brands no longer submit figures to the FCAI reports. It was again the RAV4 family SUV that topped the sales table in October – the fifth month it has done so in 2024 – with Toyota amassing 4841 new registrations, an increase of 86.3 per cent over the same month last year now that freer supply of the hybrid model is available. In second place, just 84 units behind, was the Ford Ranger on 4757 sales, a drop of 23.5 per cent year on year (YoY). And it was another Toyota rounding out the podium last month, with the HiLux ute finding 4523 new homes, a 21.6 per cent decrease over October in 2023. Only 318 units separated the top three positions last month, but overall, the Ford Ranger is primed to take out the best-selling nameplate again in 2024 with 53,119 YTD sales ahead of the second-place Toyota RAV4 (48,073) and arch-rival HiLux (46,594). In fourth place last month, the Ford Everest held off the Isuzu D-Max again, with the former on 2668 sales (+48 per cent YoY) and the latter on 2295 (-28.2 per cent YoY). Rounding out the top 10 last month were five SUVs, four of which were mid-sizers –the Kia Sportage (in a new record month), Mitsubishi Outlander, Mazda CX-5, and Hyundai Tucson with 2136, 1901, 1833, and 1803 sales respectively. And in 10th place was the Hyundai Kona on 1800 sales. In terms of brands, Toyota accounted for the lion’s share of volume with 18,471 sales – or 18.8 per cent of market share in October. Ford continued to sell well, outpacing Mazda and Hyundai with 8581 sales ahead of 7656 and 7086 respectively. Kia finished in fifth place with 6602 sales, while Mitsubishi and MG landed at sixth and seventh with 5590 and 5206 sales each. The final three Top 10 marques in October were Isuzu Ute (3651), GWM (3350), and Volkswagen (3279). Tesla, once a Top 10 brand, has suffered a significant sales decline this year amid cooling electric car interest, and its October result of 1464 sales put it in 18th place behind Chery (1448) and ahead of Lexus (1374). TOP 10 CARS IN October 2024 Rank Model Volume October 2024 Change year-on-year 1 Toyota RAV4 4841 up 86.3 per cent 2 Ford Ranger 4757 down 23.5 per cent 3 Toyota HiLux 4523 down 21.6 per cent 4 Ford Everest 2668 up 48 per cent 5 Isuzu D-Max 2295 down 28.2 per cent 6 Kia Sportage 2136 up 39.7 per cent 7 Mitsubishi Outlander 1901 down 15.1 per cent 8 Mazda CX-5 1833 down 26.9 per cent 9 Hyundai Tucson 1803 up 2.3 per cent 10 Hyundai Kona 1800 up 7.2 per cent TOP 10 CAR BRANDS in October 2024 Rank Brand Volume October 2024 Change year-on-year 1 Toyota 18,471 down 9.0 per cent 2 Ford 8581 up 0.3 per cent 3 Mazda 7656 down 17.8 per cent 4 Hyundai 7086 up 7.0 per cent 5 Kia 6602 up 16.9 per cent 6 Mitsubishi 5590 down 12.6 per cent 7 MG 5206 down 14.7 per cent 8 Isuzu Ute 3651 down 12.2 per cent 9 GWM 3350 up 12.9 per cent 10 Volkswagen 3279 down 24.8 per cent Ford Sales Ford Escape – 12 Ford Everest – 2668 Ford F-150 – 247 Ford Fiesta – 0 Ford Focus – 0 Ford Mustang – 311 Ford Mustang Mach-E – 68 Ford Puma – 4 Ford Ranger 4x2 – 288 Ford Ranger 4x4 – 4469 Ford Transit Bus – 15 Ford Transit Custom – 337 Ford Transit Heavy – 162 Ford Total – 8581
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and that F150 looks to be taking about a third of that where Silverado and Ram used to share those sales. Another strong month for Ranger and Everest, Mustang over 300 sales has settled into “Falcon sales numbers” RAV4 looks ot have settled at number one and will be there for a long stay…. Toyota really nailed it with that hybrid version. |
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Maybe prospect of fronting up to the dealer once a week for a recall notice is not an attractive proposition?
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Ram 1500 - 258
Ford F-150- 247 Silverado 1500- 195 With the recalls F150 has had, Ford would have to be very happy with that, but in saying that, it’s a much better pick up than the other 2!
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08-11-2024, 07:14 AM | #9 | ||
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Nothing wrong with the Silverado.
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They don't have a choice, the recalls were because the conversion company didn't read the rule book and for whatever reason, Ford and/or the conversion company let them slip through into production. I can't believe the usually very competent local development Ford team let these silly little slip ups through into the saleable product.
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Ask the people who keep having engine failures. The might have a different answer.
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08-11-2024, 07:49 PM | #13 | ||
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I've been starting to see a couple of F150s lately but they have a lot of ground to catch up around here. I actually even manage to spot a Tundra fairly recently too.
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Thanks! Just wish I could drive it at the moment.
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As I understand it, the issue was about F150 zone lighting not conforming to ADRs, maybe some other lighting issues too which truth to tell probably point out why our antiquated ADRs should just go away and just accept established USA/EU design reggs. ADRs are one of my pet hates, it’s also the reason why there’s added complication for Euro OEMs importing vehicles to our country, they have to change wiring and other stuff just enough to make our production builds a PITA requiring special runs of different parts. Also, love the red Mustang Last edited by jpd80; 09-11-2024 at 08:39 AM. |
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From memory Ram used to be up around 400/month and Silverado roughly 300/month The drop in Ram could be a supply thing as production of classic V8 Rams has ended. Looks like Stellantis may be keen to offload Chrysler,Dodge,Jeep Ram. Under EU policy, doesn’t matter where EU based companies build vehicles, if they have high emissions then Stellantis can get fined. Clearly moving to avoid buying Tesla credits in the future or perhaps wanting to use those credits on its own Euro brands instead.. |
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Send them all here and RMA can sort them out, slap $150,000 price tag on it and we'll buy them a couple hundred a month
I agree, ADR should completely disappear, if it's good enough for EU, USA, JP and SK then it's good enough for Australia, would give out consumers better choice and make it much easier for manufacturers to offer more range to our market. |
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I think it's more a price point thing. The DS Quad cab was available for around $80k and the crew cab was mid $90's. Now the starting point for a DT is over $110k. So there has been a significant increase in the opening price and is now over that psychological $100k barrier.
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I can’t help thinking that the Landcruiser Stationwagon sorta set the bar that US Utes followed. It also suits Ford and Toyotas objectives to keep pushing upper limits for Ranger and Hilux. Some sort of game theory where the buyer seems to lose out to higher prices but still, plenty of eager buyers for high series Utes and big pickups. OEMs are getting like oil cartels, setting prices and not really willing to undercut each other. Ther seems to be two levels of Utes, Ranger /Hilux and then everyone else priced lower… |
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Interested to see this though, one images post 3500KG there's an issue with GVM/GCM where the Ranger sits as we speak - would need to move it closer to 4500kg GVM/8000kg GCM, which puts it in Jappo light truck class.
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Are we now talking the LWB Ranger?
Kinda don't see the point, because the Ranger is already heavier than the F150.
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If I was towing 3500kg loads regularly and didn't want a cab-over truck I'd look at F-250 sized vehicles...having done it once jack-knifing using an underpowered/too-light tow vehicle not going there ever again.
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Imagine a dealership that large here in Oz...
Just goes to show, yes when you can get away with ripping customers off due to that lovely phrase of "supply & demand" imagine if they had just stuck to "normal pricing/normal increases" they would be more respected now and probably have less full yards, and maybe even made as much or more money. Even here in Oz I got a quote on replacing my Vito, bought in 2021 for $76K d/away and today's quote for the identical spec is $93K, 22% increase... |
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and people wonder why few companies want them over Utes. |
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some seriously high vehicle numbers there… |
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