Vfacts May 2011

Resurrection · 01-06-2011, 07:47 PM

Another bad month expected. Maybe the whole market will be 10% lower than May 2010.

vztrt · 01-06-2011, 07:54 PM

Terri being delayed would have hurt FoA. Falcon & Ute will prob be low, unless the latest deals moved a few more units.

Industry as a whole should be fine as there's plenty of stock (as its expected the second half of the year for sales to suffer).

Resurrection · 01-06-2011, 08:01 PM

The new Territory has been delayed twice due to software bugs on tier 1 supplier components.

vztrt · 01-06-2011, 08:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Resurrection

The new Territory has been delayed twice due to software bugs on tier 1 supplier components.

Yeah and it would be hurting sales as they don't have the vehicles to sell. Orders don't count as sales.

Poetic Justice · 01-06-2011, 08:09 PM

I would be expecting Toyota to have a significant drop.

vztrt · 02-06-2011, 07:12 PM

From the US - Chrysler up 10%

http://www.autoblog.com/2011/06/01/b...uakes-edition/

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COMPANIES
BMW Group 26,452
Jaguar Land Rover NA 4,162
Chrysler Group 115,363
Ford Mo Co 192,102
GM 221,192
Nissan NA 76,148
American Honda 90,773
Toyota Mo Co 108,387

**Fordman1** · 02-06-2011, 07:27 PM

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Originally Posted by SCUD

I would be expecting Toyota to have a significant drop.

Toyota have dropped 5 points of market share due to shortages and the Japanese Earthquake.

Archilino · 02-06-2011, 08:03 PM

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Aftershock! Holden overtakes Toyota in May words - Joshua Dowling

Preliminary sales figures put GM in front for the first time in six years
The Holden lion roared in May and the Commodore regained its position as Australia's top-selling car as Toyota -- Australia's most popular car maker for most of the past decade -- slipped from top spot for the first time in more than six years.

Preliminary figures show that General Motors' Australian outpost claimed overall market leadership in the new-car sales race last month, overtaking Toyota by just 50 vehicles (approximately 11,100 to 11,150) according to figures obtained by the Carsales Network. The official data from the Federal Chamber of Automotive Industries is due out later this week.

The Commodore is also understood to have clawed back its position as the top-selling car from the Mazda3, with its year-to-date tally now exceeding the Mazda small car's total.

The May milestone will likely go down in history as a sombre victory for Holden, however, given that the results were skewed by Toyota's chronic shortage of vehicles due to the global slowdown in production since the March 11 earthquake in Japan.

Toyota sales were down 10 per cent in the first four months of this year, whereas Holden sales were down by 11 per cent for the same period.

But a blinder month in May will likely see Holden record a 20 per cent spike in sales (from 9000 to 11,000) from April to May, with the new locally-made Cruze small car a key contributor to the result.

Toyota has only just started to reboot most of its factories around the world after the Japanese earthquake, tsunami and power outages cut production to suppliers of critical car parts.

Nevertheless, it will come as a welcome result for Holden which has had a tough run in recent years as it refreshes and replaces its Korean-sourced Daewoo legacy products.

It is likely that Toyota will regain monthly market leadership in June, typically a strong month for commercial vehicles in the approach to the end of the financial year.

Toyota has led the Australian new-car market for the past eight years in a row – and still leads Holden when the first five months of this year are tallied.

The last time Holden overtook Toyota in a given month was in March 2005 (when Holden sold 11,757 cars to Toyota's unusually weak 8628), but the last time Holden overtook Toyota in a full calendar year was in 2002.

Representatives from Holden and Toyota declined to comment until the official data is released later in the week.

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Only by 50 units, but its enough.

Poetic Justice · 03-06-2011, 10:29 AM

Enough for what?

If Holden think they have achieved something here they are being extremely naive.

Brazen · 03-06-2011, 10:33 AM

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Originally Posted by SCUD

Enough for what?

If Holden think they have achieved something here they are being extremely naive.

2000 unit improvement is a pretty good achievement. The good news is that If this is due to Japan supply issues we should see a corresponding increase in Ford's sales too. Curious as to how the locally made Cruze did.

Poetic Justice · 03-06-2011, 10:45 AM

I don't believe Holdens boost is because of Toyota's supply issues, therefore I wouldn't expect Fords numbers to jump also as a result.

But given Toyota is almost back at capacity, and getting back into the market place advertising in June you'll see how quick the results will turn around.

prydey · 03-06-2011, 11:09 AM

oh noes, ford are doomed, the sky is falling, run for your lives!!

Joe5619 · 03-06-2011, 12:17 PM

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Originally Posted by SCUD

Enough for what?

If Holden think they have achieved something here they are being extremely naive.

yeah, know what you mean.. It always sucks selling the most cars!!

Credit where is it due mate!!

BLUEYBA · 03-06-2011, 12:22 PM

Yeah they are selling more cars but need more money from the Government and are lucky to be making a profit

Wretched · 03-06-2011, 12:32 PM

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Originally Posted by BLUEYBA

Yeah they are selling more cars but need more money from the Government and are lucky to be making a profit

not the only ones taking money from the government nor the only one with a very slim profit margin.

phillyc · 03-06-2011, 02:27 PM

I was going to post last night that GMHolden and Hyundai should be the winners for May 2011 sales. I did not expect GMH to beat Toyota though. I figured it might be close at best...

I hope Ford has held onto about 9-10% of market share. But the delay on the SZ Territory will be hurting.

Brazen · 03-06-2011, 02:38 PM

Top 10 sales by model:

1.Holden Commodore – 3504
2.Toyota HiLux – 3187
3.Holden Cruze – 2914
4.Mazda3 – 2797
5.Hyundai i30 – 2479
6.Nissan Navara – 1983
7.Volkswagen Golf – 1864
8.Hyundai Getz – 1730
9.Ford Ranger – 1520
10.Toyota Camry – 1499

http://www.caradvice.com.au/121722/m...ippled-toyota/

MickyB · 03-06-2011, 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Brazen

Top 10 sales by model:

1.Holden Commodore – 3504
2.Toyota HiLux – 3187
3.Holden Cruze – 2914
4.Mazda3 – 2797
5.Hyundai i30 – 2479
6.Nissan Navara – 1983
7.Volkswagen Golf – 1864
8.Hyundai Getz – 1730
9.Ford Ranger – 1520
10.Toyota Camry – 1499

http://www.caradvice.com.au/121722/m...ippled-toyota/

Bit of a worry. Most of us on here are going to own collectors items in a few years.

Brazen · 03-06-2011, 02:44 PM

Never thought I'd see the day Volkswagen Golf outselling the Falcon in Australia.

Brazen · 03-06-2011, 02:55 PM

Falcon tied at 13th with 1331 sales, and Territory had 480.

http://www.caradvice.com.au/121722/m...ippled-toyota/

ray38l · 03-06-2011, 03:05 PM

I reckon in less then a year the holden cruze will be the highest selling car in Australia

Gobes32 · 03-06-2011, 03:09 PM

I am surprised that Cruze was not number 1 this month. In fact, it is hard to justify buying a base Commodore for 33k when a Cruise is 22k and has more feautures and uses less fuel.

Rodp · 03-06-2011, 03:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Brazen

Never thought I'd see the day Volkswagen Golf outselling the Falcon in Australia.

Clearly servicing costs doesn't factor into the equation. They charge an arm and a leg.

Brazen · 03-06-2011, 03:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Gobes32

I am surprised that Cruze was not number 1 this month. In fact, it is hard to justify buying a base Commodore for 33k when a Cruise is 22k and has more feautures and uses less fuel.

Thats the problem nowadays, getting harder to justify a large car. Which is suppose some of the reason they started building a small car locally, to catch all those people who downsize....

But in the end 40% of Commodores are 6 litre V8s. Cruze and Commodore compete in two totally different segments which perhaps gives the Commodore a little breathing room, in fact the Cruze does not to be appear to affecting Commodore sales at all if we look at the massive drop off in the large car market with Commodore steady plateau.

Commodore will see an uptick when the dedicated LPG Commodore comes online which will go after the the Falcon LPG fleet buyer, although the Falcon will have the better LPG system, if we look at current Omega and XT petrol sales fleets seem to care little for the better mechanical package. Hopefully the competition, hype and media attention about the new Holden and Ford LPG will bring more consumers in which will benefit both.

Sportwagon needed LPG a million years ago, so be interesting to see if they go space-saver spare tyre to get it to happen.

Gobes32 · 03-06-2011, 03:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Brazen

But in the end 40% of Commodores are 6 litre V8s.

It's also well known that the high end models ( SS/Calais ) have better profitability too......

Joe5619 · 03-06-2011, 03:32 PM

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Originally Posted by BLUEYBA

Yeah they are selling more cars but need more money from the Government and are lucky to be making a profit

Well.... Holden made more than Ford last year, so I think this line can be rested on this website from now on??

bobthebilda · 03-06-2011, 03:44 PM

It will be interesting to see if the Cruze maintains its run. Up until very recently, Holden were still running out the series i cruzes (imported). Base models series ii cruzes are effectively around $1500 dearer than the series 1's, which is quite a steep increase for a low $20 thousand car.

I dont think anyone could argue that a $21990 1.8 litre cruze, is better than a $20990 Lancer, or a $21990 mazda 3 with air con etc.

Its especially hard to see how people argue that cruze local production would cause a jump in public buying. With 86% of cars being sold being imported, country of origin factors would seem to play a role in a minority of buyers. I would suspect any initial upsurge in Cruze sales, would result from its inclusion on government tier one fleet list. The unjustified 7% price rise, and inital buy up of fleets should cause cruze sales to drop and plateau over the coming months.

naddis01 · 03-06-2011, 04:07 PM

Is that Ranger figure for 4x4 and 4x2 or only 4x4 models?

Would it suprise people to know that Ranger (4x4 and 4x2) is only about 500 units behind Falcon sedan YTD? Thats only roughly though taking figures off charts. Also assuming that Ranger figure given in this thread is for both 4x4 and 4x2. If it doesn't include 4x2 then it would be close indeed.

bobthebilda · 03-06-2011, 04:11 PM

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Originally Posted by naddis01

Is that Ranger figure for 4x4 and 4x2 or only 4x4 models?

Would it suprise people to know that Ranger (4x4 and 4x2) is only about 500 units behind Falcon sedan YTD? Thats only roughly though taking figures off charts. Also assuming that Ranger figure given in this thread is for both 4x4 and 4x2. If it doesn't include 4x2 then it would be close indeed.

The figure would be combined 4x4 and 4x2. Same goes for the Hilux figures etc.

Ford have alot more incentive to advertise a 1500 a month Ranger selling for high $30 thousands to public buyers, than it does selling 1400 a month low $30 thousand Falcons that mainly go to fleets anyhow.

jpd80 · 03-06-2011, 04:20 PM

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Originally Posted by bobthebilda

Ford have a lot more incentive to advertise a 1500 a month Ranger selling for high $30 thousands to public buyers, than it does selling 1400 a month low $30 thousand Falcons that mainly go to fleets anyhow.

But that's the problem, at 1400/month Falcon is not really going to fleets either...