Dashcam Footage - Bicycle vs Car - George St Perth CBD 5pm 14/2

[ford71V8]

Gee, sounds like that could have been a lot worse.
Even that moment to not drive forward could have seen him in a bad way

[arm79]

Originally Posted by ford71V8

Gee, sounds like that could have been a lot worse.
Even that moment to not drive forward could have seen him in a bad way

The ambo's told him it was lucky that no on turned the wheel while the tire was on him. Would have ripped skin and muscle apparently.

[BENT_8]

Blame the stupid design of the pike path, being divided lanes the driver would have been looking to his right and not expecting anything approaching from down the hill to the left where you said your BIL was coming from.

[Itsme]

Originally Posted by BENT_8

Blame the stupid design of the pike path, being divided lanes the driver would have been looking to his right and not expecting anything approaching from down the hill to the left where you said your BIL was coming from.

Driver should be more vigilant before moving off into roadway so pays to look both ways before moving; well this is what I was taught.
Imo no excuses for the car driver.

[BENT_8]

Originally Posted by Itsme

Driver should be more vigilant before moving off into roadway so pays to look both ways before moving; well this is what I was taught.
Imo no excuses for the car driver.

Not excusing the driver, just pointing our how that design can lend itself to this.

[arm79]

Originally Posted by BENT_8

Blame the stupid design of the pike path, being divided lanes the driver would have been looking to his right and not expecting anything approaching from down the hill to the left where you said your BIL was coming from.

Goodness... Another one in the someone else's fault brigade.

While I called it a bike path, look closely and its actually a footpath for use by both people on foot and bikes. It's a shared path.

Did you read when I said the driver admitted to not even looking straight ahead, let alone to the left when they were exiting the carpark.

What if it was a pedestrian? "Oh sorry poor mother. It wasn't my fault I drop punted your 4yo into the concrete barrier over there with the front of my car. It's this bl00dy stupid footpath design. Well see ya. Have a good day."

Originally Posted by Giant Cranium

that's a rubbish driveway. who has right of way there as per the law? bike or car doesn't have a stop sign or give way, only the bike has a 'take care' sign as a warning.

I live in a state that considers footpaths optional. The town I live in I think it would be lucky if 5% of the roads have footpaths. Does that mean I just hammer out the driveway because there is no defined footpath. I mean, there are no signs to tell the driver or pedestrian to stop and who has right of way. Sooooo confusing.

Read above about it being a shared path. If you can see the "take care" warning on the ground, surely you saw the pedestrian symbol indicating its a footpath. Does your opinion change given its meant to allow foot traffic? Or do we have the same right of way as per the law questions there too?

Originally Posted by Itsme

Driver should be more vigilant before moving off into roadway so pays to look both ways before moving

It's nice to see at least one responsible driver who observes basic care and responsibility on the road. Specially when exiting carparks over footpaths.

Originally Posted by Itsme

Since when driveways must have Give way or stop signs? Now have a think when you enter a roadway from any driveway as per law.

Apparently in Sydney signs are required. Basic road law and care are optional.

The responses here trip me out.

Hervey Bay has some of the absolute worst drivers on the planet. Extreme di*kheads with nothing but air in their head. I remember a local taxi driver commenting to me that they can tell when they drive back into the Hervey Bay town limits because the driving abilities absolutely plummet deep into an abyss.

I always thought God had seen fit to keep these drivers within the town limit. You know, keep the world and his creatures safe. But watching videos on Dashcam Owners page and the answers here, it seems despite his best efforts not only have they escaped and travelled, they are obviously influencing the world via mind control.

https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=450336249903261

For giggles lets guess the excuses here based on previous answers...

Bl00dy forward collision warning didn't tell me you were there, car should have braked for me. Poorly designed road, it's not wide enough to allow me to cut the corner without damaging my car. Scooter should have been aware enough to sit 6 feet back in anticipation of the car cutting the corner. That's a rubbish intersection, who has right of way when cutting the corner, there aren't signs to say I cant cut the corner, only those pesky solid centre lines that say I'm on the wrong side of it.

Fu*k me dead!

P.S. That's not called cutting a corner in Hervey Bay, that's just a normal right hand turn.

[BENT_8]

Originally Posted by arm79

Goodness... Another one in the someone else's fault brigade.

While I called it a bike path, look closely and its actually a footpath for use by both people on foot and bikes. It's a shared path.

Did you read when I said the driver admitted to not even looking straight ahead, let alone to the left when they were exiting the carpark.

What if it was a pedestrian? "Oh sorry poor mother. It wasn't my fault I drop punted your 4yo into the concrete barrier over there with the front of my car. It's this bl00dy stupid footpath design. Well see ya. Have a good day."

I think you need to calm down, I'm not suggesting its not the drivers fault.
If you bothered to comprehend my post you'd see that my point was purely about how the combination of a dual direction shared path and a one way piece of road would lead to this kind of incident, i just figured you and anyone else reading it wouldn't need me to paint a Picaso to relay it.

If as Giant Cranium said there is a 'take care' sign on the path, then it suggests a level of caution be applied by those on it too, a pedestrian moving slowly would have time to react to a fast moving vehicle, a cyclist powering up the hill would have less opportunity, neither case absolves the drivers responsibility to also display caution.

Cant say I've come across that kind of design. In SA our bike paths/lanes in city environments are on the road and with the direction of traffic.

[arm79]

Originally Posted by BENT_8

I think you need to calm down, I'm not suggesting its not the drivers fault.

I am calm. I was calm when I read it and calm when I replied.

All I saw was a couple of people who walked in the room and made an excuse for the incident based on the poor design of the carpark, driveway and footpath, then left.

And for good measure Giant Cranium basically says "I have NFI how this works by law". Really???

Basic road rules say when exiting a property stop at the properly line, look left and right for any type of traffic, giveway to any traffic and then proceed when safe. The end. Design of the intersection should not have a bearing when basic rules are followed.

Maybe it's just my old jaded self, but I get sick and tired for people making excuses for not following the most basic of rules and safety.

[Giant Cranium]

Originally Posted by arm79

I am calm. I was calm when I read it and calm when I replied.

All I saw was a couple of people who walked in the room and made an excuse for the incident based on the poor design of the carpark, driveway and footpath, then left.

And for good measure Giant Cranium basically says "I have NFI how this works by law". Really???

Basic road rules say when exiting a property stop at the properly line, look left and right for any type of traffic, giveway to any traffic and then proceed when safe. The end. Design of the intersection should not have a bearing when basic rules are followed.

Maybe it's just my old jaded self, but I get sick and tired for people making excuses for not following the most basic of rules and safety.

I was asking a question mate. Made a statement about how it’s a rubbish driveway then asked the relevant laws in your state regarding it. At no point did I put blame on any party. Literally asking what the laws are as that will say who is at fault.

[Adamz Ghia]

I ride quite a bit and my eyes are always darting around looking at what’s going on, because while everyone can sit there and say drivers all have a responsibility to look out for cyclists and follow road rules, that attitude doesn’t do you much good when you have a couple of tons worth of steel on top of you.

Cycling infrastructure is so **** poor in this country too, the cycling path shouldn’t even be there in the first place in this instance.

Never assume, and always allow for the lowest common denominator.

(Before you arc up, I’m not referencing your BIL)

[BENT_8]

Originally Posted by arm79

I am calm. I was calm when I read it and calm when I replied.

All I saw was a couple of people who walked in the room and made an excuse for the incident based on the poor design of the carpark, driveway and footpath, then left.

And for good measure Giant Cranium basically says "I have NFI how this works by law". Really???

Basic road rules say when exiting a property stop at the properly line, look left and right for any type of traffic, giveway to any traffic and then proceed when safe. The end. Design of the intersection should not have a bearing when basic rules are followed.

Maybe it's just my old jaded self, but I get sick and tired for people making excuses for not following the most basic of rules and safety.

And in this particular instance there is a warning sign directed at the cyclist/pedestrian not to mention the yellow markings on the driveway itself, its clearly an area where a level of caution should be applied by all concerned.
Again, im not making excuses for the driver but its obviously poorly laid out which was my original point.
As Adamz Ghia said, the bike path shouldnt be there.