Where USA graduate engineers want to work

[whynot]

Universum has just released its 2020 report as to where US engineering students which to work once they have completed their degree.

1. Tesla
2. Space X
3. Lockheed Martin
4. Google
5. Boeing
6. NASA
7. Apple
8. Microsoft
9. Disney
10. Amazon
11. Northrop Grumman
12. Ford
13. General Electric
14. DoD
15. General Motors
16. BMW
17. Boston Dynamics (robotics)
18. Exxon
19. Johnson&Johnson
20. Nike
21. Toyota

The conclusion that I draw is that Tesla is still drawing the biggest pool of applicants. This gives Tesla the opportunity to pick the best and brightest engineers. Ford have done OK, climbing up from 16th position last year. Maybe there has been some improvements at Ford given the gripes last year from the young engineers how staid the engineering culture was.



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[JasonACT]

4, 7, 8 & maybe 10 and some others lower down - sounds about right. When I did my science degree at ANU, a lot of the engineering students (which were often in my classes) went straight into IT when they got their degree. I might as well include #1 too in that lot. The "engineering" degree though gave exceptions others didn't get, like only having to do 6 months of chemistry to get 1 point, where normally you would need the full 12 months to get the 2 points towards your degree. Hmmm, the hard stuff came in the 2nd half of the course. I would only conclude the young grads are looking for where the hard work is already done, sorting out best and brightest is up to the companies. There will be plenty of disappointments though, on both sides.

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by JasonACT

4, 7, 8 & maybe 10 and some others lower down - sounds about right. When I did my science degree at ANU, a lot of the engineering students (which were often in my classes) went straight into IT when they got their degree. I might as well include #1 too in that lot. The "engineering" degree though gave exceptions others didn't get, like only having to do 6 months of chemistry to get 1 point, where normally you would need the full 12 months to get the 2 points towards your degree. Hmmm, the hard stuff came in the 2nd half of the course. I would only conclude the young grads are looking for where the hard work is already done, sorting out best and brightest is up to the companies. There will be plenty of disappointments though, on both sides.

One of my colleagues completed his mechanical engineering degree then migrated to Australia after some time in the oil and gas industry back home.

He said that engineers mostly end up in IT or poached by the finance industry as that's where the money and opportunities are.

We lost a really talented young electrical engineer to the finance industry, a big blow to our capability.

[MITCHAY]

My concern is that anyone that has any talent goes to the US.

We need to invest in this ****. But we're still stuck digging **** out of the ground.

[whynot]

Originally Posted by MITCHAY

My concern is that anyone that has any talent goes to the US.

We need to invest in this ****. But we're still stuck digging **** out of the ground.

Certainly, spending a stint working in the USA or Europe is valuable for some. Sure, some will end up staying there. However, a significant proportion will return back to Australia with enhanced skills. For example, if you look through the bios of cardiothoracic surgeons, nearly all of the surgeons who do the advanced stuff have spent time acquiring those skills in either the USA or UK, and have subsequently returned back to Australia.

And it is not all one way traffic. There are plenty of immigrants, with some really advanced skills, who have moved to Australia for the lifestyle.

[Ratmick]

Originally Posted by whynot

Certainly, spending a stint working in the USA or Europe is valuable for some. Sure, some will end up staying there. However, a significant proportion will return back to Australia with enhanced skills. For example, if you look through the bios of cardiothoracic surgeons, nearly all of the surgeons who do the advanced stuff have spent time acquiring those skills in either the USA or UK, and have subsequently returned back to Australia.

And it is not all one way traffic. There are plenty of immigrants, with some really advanced skills, who have moved to Australia for the lifestyle.

My sister spent a good few years in San Diego working at a private lab (Scripps) and now she's back in Brisbane.

...has a PhD now too

[kaniSS]

Originally Posted by whynot

Certainly, spending a stint working in the USA or Europe is valuable for some. Sure, some will end up staying there. However, a significant proportion will return back to Australia with enhanced skills. For example, if you look through the bios of cardiothoracic surgeons, nearly all of the surgeons who do the advanced stuff have spent time acquiring those skills in either the USA or UK, and have subsequently returned back to Australia.

And it is not all one way traffic. There are plenty of immigrants, with some really advanced skills, who have moved to Australia for the lifestyle.

These are the smart ones. Expand your knowledge any way you can.

I've done a 8 year stint in Europe. I learnt a hell a lot more over there than my time here in Aus. I now have better experience and make way more than the locals here.

[Citroënbender]

Originally Posted by MITCHAY

My concern is that anyone that has any talent goes to the US.

We need to invest in this ****. But we're still stuck digging **** out of the ground.

While there’s money in it, an overpriced housing situation, ans a government you wouldn’t trust so far as you can throw a marshmallow - why would people choose differently? We consistently demean those who make socially skewed or altruistic choices.

As to “****” - plenty of money in getting that right/neat. There possibly shouldn’t be, but most people don’t want to get their hands dirty anymore.

[Bill M]

The local Victorian medical development companies are going gangbusters at the moment with the emphasis that Covid 19 has given. Many related streams of Engineering there. When I was working in that industry I found that many of them came from the automotive field. Tesla was advertising for automotive sector Engineers around the time of the car industry shutdown and I know of some who went to work there. Some firms hire undergraduates during their break as a way of cherry picking the best and offer them positions when they graduate.

[burnz]

Originally Posted by MITCHAY

My concern is that anyone that has any talent goes to the US.

We need to invest in this ****. But we're still stuck digging **** out of the ground.

in my later post, All of the companies posted are in Australia..

They are all military contractors.

[burnz]

Rockwell International has the best engineers from all over the world.
Rockwell Ownes:
Rocketdyne, Ratheon, Boeing, Grumman, Pratt & Whitney, General electric..

[Pis-ton broke]

our talent goes overseas'
great new innovations can't get funding , and end up going overseas,
darwin port leased to unfriendlies, cubby station sold to unfriendlies overseas.

just wondering whos side the govco is on?

[burnz]

Originally Posted by Pis-ton broke

our talent goes overseas'
great new innovations can't get funding , and end up going overseas,
darwin port leased to unfriendlies, cubby station sold to unfriendlies overseas.

just wondering whos side the govco is on?

That's state gov isn't it??

[Pis-ton broke]

Originally Posted by burnz

That's state gov isn't it??

i think cubby station went through a review board, it was quite controversial at the time, i don,t know if state or fed.
darwin port was just govco cluster.

[kmav23]

Tesla / Space X Elon etc will dominate the car, space and other industries.

The future is where the worlds best and brightest brains are going.

[roKWiz]

Originally Posted by kmav23

Tesla / Space X Elon etc will dominate the car, space and other industries.

The future is where the worlds best and brightest brains are going.

Elon might need to enter the building industry next as no one with be left to build his buildings.

[roKWiz]

Originally Posted by Pis-ton broke

just wondering whos side the govco is on?

Any side they can grease their grubby little political hands on. Doesn't matter which party.

[kmav23]

Originally Posted by Pis-ton broke

our talent goes overseas'
great new innovations can't get funding , and end up going overseas,
darwin port leased to unfriendlies, cubby station sold to unfriendlies overseas.

just wondering whos side the govco is on?

Our smaller economy, far distance and small population makes it difficult to retain and attract, that is just part of a world economy with labour mobility.

[Bossxr8]

And in comes the resident Tesla shill as soon as they are mentioned. Bot algorithm working well.

[burnz]

Originally Posted by Bossxr8

And in comes the resident Tesla shill as soon as they are mentioned. Bot algorithm working well.

forget the battery cars from Tesla, the real money in the military industrial complex..

for that he is winning.